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Will Christians go through the tribulation?

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Nicole_Lacey wrote: "You answered wrong, NOT everyone will be resurrected."

Read Revelation Chapter 20 very slowly where ALL the other dead shall rise..."

You make a lot of assumptions in the rest of your post.
---Steveng on 10/2/16


michael e: "We know the believer, when he dies, his spirit and soul go to the presence of Christ in Heaven."

And how do you know that? The Bible teaches that the dead are asleep in the grave awaiting the day of resurrection.

Job 14:12-15 So man lieth down, and riseth not: till the heavens be no more, they shall not awake, nor be raised out of their sleep. O that thou wouldest hide me in the grave, that thou wouldest keep me secret, until thy wrath be past, that thou wouldest appoint me a set time, and remember me! If a man die, shall he live again? all the days of my appointed time will I wait, till my change come. Thou shalt call, and I will answer thee: thou wilt have a desire to the work of thine hands.
---Jerry6593 on 10/2/16


//If you ask any Christians (non Christians excluded) who will be resurrected from the dead they will all answer: everyone else.//

That isn't the question. You are speaking in future tense and I am speaking in present tense.

You answered wrong, NOT everyone will be resurrected.

I KNOW Jesus was Resurrected.

//For Jesus was the first born. If there was a first born then there must be a second born.---Steveng on 9/30/16

You are speaking as if you are not sure of yourself.

As I said. Jesus is the only Son of Man.

Unless you believe the Prophets are Jesus' equal?

Just in case you do, they are not His equal.

Jesus is God and they, you and I are NOT God
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/1/16


//Though the rapture teaching says the dead come back to life, you believe this is not called a resurrection, because they go straight to heaven//
I Cor 15:52 .." mystery,".. It's never hinted theres going to be a day when living people are going to be translated. These are in the body. the dead in Christ rise first and then we go up with him.
I Thess 4:13 "But I would not have you to be ignorant,"... (same language)
We know the believer, when he dies, his spirit and soul go to the presence of Christ in Heaven. And there they wait for this day of resurrection to be reunited with the believers resurrected body.
At His Second Coming, He comes to stand on the Mount of Olives as it says in Zech 14, Acts 1
---michael_e on 10/1/16


Nicole_Lacey wrote: "If you ask any Christians or non Christians who was resurrected from the dead they will all answer: Jesus"

If you ask any Christians (non Christians excluded) who will be resurrected from the dead they will all answer: everyone else. For Jesus was the first born. If there was a first born then there must be a second born.
---Steveng on 9/30/16




//it amazes me that you could be so dogmatic concerning things so easily documented as incorrect. Ezekiel is referred to as "Son of man" repeatedly.---joseph

Yes. Dogmatic indeed I am.

Because when people are not dogmatic it shows with the 60,000 different Protestant Denominations and growing!

All Prophets in the OT prefigure Jesus in the NT.

Just as anyone can say they I am who am it doesn't mean anyone claims to be I AM because only GOD is I AM.

If you ask any Christians or non Christians who was resurrected from the dead they will all answer: Jesus

If you ask who is the Son of Man, they will NOT say Ezekiel. A true Bible Scholar or any one who truly reads the Bible will say: JESUS CHRIST
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/30/16


"What's next?
Calling other men the Son of Man?
That term is only used for Jesus.
Resurrection and Son of Man are only used for Jesus.
Understand?
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/29/16"

Nicole it amazes me that you could be so dogmatic concerning things so easily documented as incorrect.
Ezekiel is referred to as "Son of man" repeatedly.
Eze 2:1,3,6,8,>Eze 3:1,3,4,10,17,25>Eze 4:1,16 Etc,etc.
Resurrection is defined as a "Rising from the dead", and according to scripture, all men will be resurrected to either the resurrection of life, or the resurrection of damnation. Jhn 5:29
---joseph on 9/29/16


All Christians, whether dead of alive, are raptured according to 1 Thess 4:13-18. Then the good souls who will be called from the grave during the first resurrection at the beginning of the 1000 year reign of Jesus Christ? ---michael_e on 9/29/16

Michael
Thank you for the explanation. I think I have it!!

I have always believed, a resurrection is when the dead come back to life. Though the rapture teaching says the dead come back to life, you believe this is not called a resurrection, because they go straight to heaven, and don't physically walk the Earth as Jesus did after he came back to life.

Am I correct?
---David on 9/30/16


Well we agree all the Christians will be resurrected at the Second Coming. But the idea that there is a secret second coming is not from the Bible.

This doctrine started in the early 1900's by Darby.

It replaced the teaching that the church will go through the tribulation. With the much more pleasing thought Christians will not be persecuted. They have a free ticket to get away and let others suffer. Most Jews.

It also attacked Covenant theology by saying the Commandments of GOD are gone. Replaced with what? Of that it seems there is confusion.

I see no reason to accept Dispensationalism as correct. This leads me to oppose those who teach the pretribulation rapture.
---Samuelbb7 on 9/29/16


Jesus is the ONLY Resurrection.

Lazarus was raised from the dead not resurrected as Jesus.

Words matters.

You can't go around using the same terms used for Jesus on anyone else.

What's next?

Calling other men the Son of Man?

That term is only used for Jesus.

Resurrection and Son of Man are only used for Jesus.

Understand?
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/29/16




//So you believe in (Matthew 24), Jesus is speaking about the 2nd resurrection? The resurrection of the 144,000?//

All Christians, whether dead of alive, are raptured according to 1 Thess 4:13-18. Then the good souls who will be called from the grave during the first resurrection at the beginning of the 1000 year reign of Jesus Christ?
The old testament believers are in heaven in soul and spirit form, without their bodies. Christians will be resurrected in their bodies at the rapture, before the seven year tribulation. At the end of the seven years, at the beginning of the 1000 years, the old testament saints and the saints killed in the tribulation will be resurrected. See Dan 12:1-3, 13 and Rev 20:4-6.
---michael_e on 9/29/16


"Take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares. For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth. Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man. Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his lord shall make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of meat in due season? Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing........" Luk 21:34-36>Luk 12:42-46
---joseph on 9/29/16


Matt 24 was spoken to the 12 representing Israel. We're not looking for Israels prophetic tribulation,
---michael_e on 9/27/16


Michael
So you believe in (Matthew 24), Jesus is speaking about the 2nd resurrection? The resurrection of the 144,000?
---David on 9/29/16


Nicole, Jesus is the Resurrection and the life. No reason for the Bible to state He was the first Resurrection, because there was no one who had resurrected when He or the writers said Jesus was the resurrection and the Life.
But the Bible also tells us that He is the first resurrection, because when those in Christ rise from the dead, they would have resurrected also but not before the Lord Jesus Christ who is the First who resurrected.
---Luke on 9/29/16


If your Bible states resurrection for anyone else other than Jesus please get another translation. Jesus is the Resurrection.---Nicole_Lacey

Nicole
What bible are you reading from? I looked at a Catholic translation when I read your post, and it too uses the words "First resurrection", in (Revelation 20:5 & 6).
---David on 9/28/16


Nicole_Lacey wrote: "Can everyone please stop saying the word 'Resurrection' for anyone else other than Jesus?"

Where do you get this nonsense? Is this more of your "dead Peter whatever" theory? The only way we can have eternal life is "put on immortality" at the resurrection at the last day. That's what the Bible says. I don't care what some mere man claims.


---Jerry6593 on 9/28/16


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John 11 resurrection isn't used for Lazarus
Matt 22 and Luke 20 Jesus states there is NO resurrection of the dead because His Father isn't the God of the Dead but of the Living.
Acts 4,17, 24 Jesus' Resurrection
Acts 23. Singular so Jesus' Resurrection
Luke 14:14 speaking about the resurrection of the just at the end of the world as Paul is speaking about in 1 Thess 4:13-5:22

**Notice the phrase in v14 which says God will bring with Him those who have fallen asleep in Jesus, then the parallel in v16 which says, the dead in Christ shall rise first. There is no doubt that those saints which have died will partake of the resurrection. The evidence, the proof of this is found in the fact of Jesus' resurrection.-Expository Files
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/27/16


Matt 24 was spoken to the 12 representing Israel. We're not looking for Israels prophetic tribulation,
We operate according to the mystery of Christ, waiting for the mystery coming of the Lord to remove the church so he can fulfill his prophecy and promises to Israel God deals with the Jew on two levels: National and personal. When he blinded them nationally(Rom 11:25) that doesn't take away the personal opportunity for Salvation. A Jew still has every opportunity for Salvation, but it's on a personal basis not national. God is now calling out Gentiles as a people for His name, which is what we refer to now from Paul's epistles, as the Church which is His Body, neither Jew or gentile, the BoC.
---michael_e on 9/27/16


Nicole_Lacey wrote: "Can everyone please stop saying the word 'Resurrection' for anyone else other than Jesus?"

John 11
Matthew 22
Luke 14
Luke 20
Acts 4
Acts 17
Acts 23
Acts 24

Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
---Steveng on 9/27/16


Can everyone please stop saying the word 'Resurrection' for anyone else other than Jesus?

Jesus is the only Resurrection.

We will rise from the dead.

Everyone person in the Bible has the words 'were raised' from death, not resurrection.

If your Bible states resurrection for anyone else other than Jesus please get another translation.

Jesus is the Resurrection.
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/27/16


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The second resurrection will occur after the thousand year reign of Christ when all the other dead shall rise and be judged from the book of life - according to their works while they were living. ---Steveng on 9/26/16

Steven
Got a question for you. Do you think anyone not in the first resurrection, will be saved? I have wondered about this and I would like to hear your thoughts.
---David on 9/27/16


The context is different, meeting Christ in the air is not the same as Christ standing on the mount.

Michael
Help me understand something about the rapture teaching which has always puzzled me.
In (Matthew 24:29-31)KJV, Jesus tells us he will come immediately after the tribulation, and in a way in which everyone will know he has returned.

How does this fit into the rapture teaching, which teaches Jesus comes before the tribulation and folks will silently disappear from the Earth, leaving the rest of us to wonder where they went, as in the "Left Behind" movie?
---David on 9/27/16


Samuelbb7 wrote: "The Resurrection of the Righteous happens after the tribulation."

There are two resurrections: the first when the dead in Christ shall rise and the living shall be caught up with the dead. This is the first resurrection.

The second resurrection will occur after the thousand year reign of Christ when all the other dead shall rise and be judged from the book of life - according to their works while they were living.

Blessed are those that rise at the first resurrection at the start of the thousand year reign of Christ.
---Steveng on 9/26/16


//Couldn't this be due to having multiple writers, writing about the same events?//
The context is different, meeting Christ in the air is not the same as Christ standing on the mount.
Compare Peter telling Israel they have slain their messiah. with Paul telling us Christ died for us.
Things that are different are not the same.
---michael_e on 9/24/16


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The language of I Cors 15:51-54, I Thesss 4:13-18, II Thess 2:1-3 can't be found anywhere else in our Bible.
---michael_e on 9/15/16


Michael
Couldn't this be due to having multiple writers, writing about the same events?

Though the information comes from God, wouldn't the personality of the writers and the vernacular used, be different? When you read about the same event, in 10 different newspapers, with 10 different writers, don't some contain information the others lack?

By the way, thank you, I found (Zechariah 14) very interesting. Will have to study this more closely, when I have time.
---David on 9/22/16


//Zech is another event. The decent of the New Jerusalem//
Do you think the city of Jerusalem is Jesus?
Zech 14:4 Zech 14:4 "And HIS FEET SHALL STAND.."
Right division is the key understanding>
---michael_e on 9/20/16


True the Second Coming is when all the righteous dead are resurrected.

Zech is another event. The decent of the New Jerusalem.

The Resurrection of the Righteous happens after the tribulation.
---Samuelbb7 on 9/19/16


1Thess 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to MEET THE LORD IN THE AIR: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
Act 1:11 ".. Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.
As prophesied in:
Zech 14:4 And his feet shall STAND IN THAT DAY UPON THE MOUNT OF OLIVE.
Meeting Him in the air (! Thess) and Him Standing on the mount (Zech & Acts) are not the same
---michael_e on 9/17/16


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1 Corinthians is about the Resurrection of the dead that happens at the Second Coming.

1Thessalonians 4:16
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

Here we see both have the resurrection of the dead in Christ. Both must be the same event.

Acts 1:11 tells the Apostles who are the Church they will see Christ coming. They will be part of the Resurrection of Christians.

Where is your proof.
---Samuelbb7 on 9/16/16


//In fact he teaches the Rapture and the Second Coming are the same event //
Honestly compare 1 Cors 15:51-54, I Thesss 4:13-18 addressing the boC
With Zech 14:4 and Acts 1:11 addressing Israel
Things that are different are not the same
---michael_e on 9/16/16


I accept the teaching of Paul. I don't see where he taught the pretribulation rapture. In fact he teaches the Rapture and the Second Coming are the same event.

No one thought Paul taught the pretrib rapture until Darby came up with this new idea in the 1900's.

In 2Thessalonians 2. There is no hint of a secret coming. In 1 Thess. 3:4 Paul knows the followers of Christ will suffer tribulations.
---Samuelbb7 on 9/15/16


Matt 24:3, the disciples asked about signs of the end. Jesus' answer is "let no man deceive you". Matt 24 is tribulation,
One deception is claiming the BoC will go into or even through the tribulation.
One mistake is rejecting Paul's Apostleship. Paul alone reveals the Doctrines, Practices and the end of the Body on earth. Paul alone gives us Scriptures concerning what many ridicule, the rapture or the catching up of the Church which is His Body. The language of I Cors 15:51-54, I Thesss 4:13-18, II Thess 2:1-3 can't be found anywhere else in our Bible.
If you mix Paul's doctrine concerning the rapture with the Second Coming, you are mixing law and Grace. When you mix law and Grace, Satan smiles and God is grieved.
---michael_e on 9/15/16


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Thank you Samuel.

Michael, nobody wants to go through the tribulation period. As a child, I too believed in the rapture story, and still wish It was true. I do not tell you these things to argue, I tell you because you are my brother and I love you.

With an open mind, look at All the evidence. If I only look at Thessalonians, I too can make a case for the rapture. But if I base my case on that evidence written in Revelation, Matthew, Daniel and Thessalonians,... case dismissed.
---David on 9/14/16


Good point David.
---Samuelbb7 on 9/13/16


The scripture is specific addressing Israels return. ---michael

I agree Michael, there is a distinct separation between the 144,000 in (Revelation 7:4), and the great multitude no one can count in (Revelation 7:9). It's a very interesting study.

But for me, it's also clear in (Revelation 20:4), those in the first resurrection came out of the great tribulation. Notice they are given this honor, because they didn't recieve the "Mark of the beast".

Isn't this Mark given during the Great Tribulation? If it is, doesn't this prove the church will go through the Great Tribulation?
---David on 9/13/16


The boC is one body not 12 tribes.
Today God has counted Israel in unbelief among Gentiles so he could have mercy on all men freely (Rom 11:32, 3:24). Now there is neither Jew nor Greek, and we know no man after the flesh (Gal 3:28, 2 Cor 5:16). Yet, Israel will not always be blinded and their prophecies won't go unanswered.
The scripture is specific addressing Israels return. In the same statement we are told of Israels fall, we are told of their future return.(Rom 11:12, 11:26)
It's clear in a future time, God will restore Israel and fulfill the prophecies concerning their rise and earthly dominion under God. But it won't occur until this age of grace, where there is no national distinction before God, is complete.
---michael_e on 9/12/16


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Have you not read?

When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)... But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: for then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elects sake those days shall be shortened.

No one in the entire bible was "rapture" to escape tribulation. Look for the underground christian railroad (whoso readeth, let him understand:).
---Steveng on 9/11/16


Michael that is where we disagree on Paul teaching Dispensationalism. For Calvin and many others read his words and saw Covenant Theology.

The two have some points in common. On those points they are both correct. Just use different terminology.

They differ on the understanding of the law in the New Testament. Also on who is Israel. In Covenant it is the church.

In covenant all moral laws are still in force. Dispensationalism does away with all the Ten Commandments and all laws.
---Samuelbb7 on 9/11/16


Mike: "Btw which of the 12 tribes do you belong to?"

Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.


---Jerry6593 on 9/11/16


//Michael John Darby came up with your idea in the 1900's. Since then many have accepted Dispensationalism //
Paul taught dispensations long before Darby.
(1 Cor 9:17,Eph 1:10,Eph 3:2,
Col 1:25)
Btw which of the 12 tribes do you belong to?
---michael_e on 9/10/16


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Michael John Darby came up with your idea in the 1900's. Since then many have accepted Dispensationalism.

But I believe in Covenant Theology and it's longer history and foundation in Scripture. Which I don't find a reason to believe in.
---Samuelbb7 on 9/9/16


David as I see it.
As these 144,000 Jews go out around the world, there's no one being saved as a second chance. Only those who have never heard the True Gospel. have a chance. The ones who have rejected and are doomed will also be the first to take the mark of the beast, the 666. For us believers tonight we don't have that to fear as we will be gone when that comes on the scene for the Tribulation people. But they will accept that mark of the beast at the drop of a hat for they have already been completely deluded by a Sovereign act of God, that the Anti-christ is the man the world is looking for.
---michael_e on 9/9/16


//Paul makes no distinction between Jew and Gentile when it comes to persecution or salvation//
Correct, the church, which is the body of Christ, composed of Jew and Gentile does not have twelve tribes.
Twelve tribes refers to Israel, even in Jesus earthly ministry.((Mark 3:14).
He gave these twelve instructions not to go to Gentiles, but only to the twelve tribes of Israel.
(Matt 10:5-6)
---michael_e on 9/9/16


The Church being persecuted and Israel's tribulation are quite different.
---michael_e


Michael
Do you think anyone from the second resurrection, besides the 144,000, will be saved? I have been asked this question, and I honestly don't know.
---David on 9/9/16


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mike e: "The Church being persecuted and Israel's tribulation are quite different."

2Ti 3:12 Yea, and ALL that WILL live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.

I don't believe that the Scriptures bear out your interpretation. Paul makes no distinction between Jew and Gentile when it comes to persecution or salvation. The referenced scripture (2 Tim 3:12) uses the word ALL to describe those who WILL (future - not past) suffer persecution.


---Jerry6593 on 9/9/16


//2Ti 3:12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.//
In Gal 1:13-14 Paul explains that he was persecuting the church of God and wasted it.
The Church being persecuted and Israel's tribulation are quite different.
---michael_e on 9/8/16


//Will Christians go through the tribulation?//
No
---michael_e on 8/30/16//


2Ti 3:12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.


---Jerry6593 on 9/8/16


The Wicked are raised to judgment before the Great White throne before being tossed into the lake of fire. They are the ones raised in the Second Resurrection--Samuelbb7

Samuel
And that's how I see it.
There are many church doctrines throughout the world, and many are founded on false doctrines. The Great Tribulation is designed for those who follow these doctrines.

God will test their faith during this time. And if their faith in God is strong enough, they will reject the mark of the beast, and be saved (1 Corinthians 3:8-15). If their faith is in the world, they will recieve the Mark of the Beast. And they will become part of the second resurrection.
---David on 9/7/16


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The Wicked are raised to judgment before the Great White throne before being tossed into the lake of fire.

They are the ones raised in the Second Resurrection unto death.


Rev 20:5
But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
---Samuelbb7 on 9/6/16


Steven
I asked the question to get your thoughts on who will be in the second resurrection.

The first resurrection happens when Jesus comes, after the great tribulation (Matthew 24:29-30). But in that resurrection, (1 Thessalonians 4:14-17) tells us, the dead in Christ, those who are asleep, shall arise first, and then those still left alive shall follow.

Now if the dead in Christ, all those written in the book of Life are being resurrected during this time, whose being resurrected in the second resurrection?

Now my head hurts. LOL
---David on 9/6/16


Revelation 7:14 - AND I said unto him, Sir, Thou Knowest, And he said to me, These are which came out of the Great tribulation , and have wash their robes , and made them white in the blood of the lamb,

[ Before or After ? - Out Of - I think they went though ! }
---RichardC on 9/5/16


I say that Paul says we will not be subjected to God's judgments of wrath--Bill 9/3
Paul is very clear how we children of God will not be subjected to wrath judgments which will occur during the great tribulation--Bill 9/2/16


Bill
I agree with the first part of your statement, but I disagree with what you said on 9/2. The wrath of God does not come during, it comes after the Great Tribulation.
---David on 9/5/16


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David, re-read Revelation 20:12
---Steveng on 9/3/16


Steven
What's the difference, between those whose names are Written in the Book of Life before judgment day, and those, who are judged by the Book of Life on judgment day?
---David on 9/5/16


Amen Nicole and Bill.

I would add Nicole in India and many Islamic countries. It is possible to be murdered for just being a Christian.

We need to pray for our brothers and sisters in Christ.

If I remember correctly a group of Nuns and the people they cared for were murdered just a few months ago.
---Samuelbb7 on 9/4/16


Dave, I read that Jesus will come "immediately after". And what I offered did not mean otherwise. What I am offering is that if we go through the tribulation, God's wrath judgments will not effect us, but what Satan's people are allowed to do can somehow effect us.

I say that Paul says we will not be subjected to God's judgments of wrath.

But we will go through the tribulation of what Satanic people do against us.
---Bill on 9/3/16


David wrote: "The second resurrection will be for those not written in the Book of Life."

David, re-read Revelation 20:12 which says: "And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God, and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the BOOK OF LIFE: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works."
---Steveng on 9/3/16


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Christians are being murdered for being Christians...no basis for saying we will not undergo tribulation.---Samuelbb7

AMEN!

People in the West seem to forget what's going on in North Korea.

In North Korea you CAN'T say Jesus' Name.

Christians can't buy goods.
Placed in prison immediately if you DARE to proclaim Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior.

The supreme leaders of the DPRK are Kim Il-sung, his son Kim Jong-il, and his grandson Kim Jong-un.

(yes, I know I am using present tense because they believe the 1st is their eternal leader)

The people are forced to believe they are their gods.

Jesus ISN'T tolerated!

If that isn't tribulation here on earth NOW, I don't know what is?
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/3/16


Paul is very clear how we children of God will not be subjected to the wrath judgments which will occur during the great tribulation.-Bill

Bill
According the to word of Jesus Christ, does he come before or after the tribulation period?

(Matthew 24:29-30)
Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
---David on 9/3/16


Nice point Cluny.

The pretribulation rapture is a new doctrine from Dispensationalism from Darby. It started in the 1900's

I remember reading about the Christians in China when the Communist took over. Many gave up their faith since they knew they were going through great tribulation.

Today hundreds of Christians are being murdered for being Christians. So there is no basis for saying we will not undergo tribulation.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 9/3/16


Hi, Carol (c: God bless you (c: It is good to meet you (c:

Paul is very clear how we children of God will not be subjected to the wrath judgments which will occur during the great tribulation >

"For God did not appoint us to wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ," (1 Thessalonians 5:9)

So, even if we are in the tribulation, God is able to keep His wrath judgments in control, so they do not harm us.

However, we will be subjected to tribulation done by evil people against us. But while they are being so tormented and destroyed by our Father's wrath judgments, how much will they really be able to do against us . . . except howsoever God permits?? > 1 Peter 3:13
---Bill on 9/2/16


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Isaac Watts, the great Protestant hymnographer, sang,

"Shall I be carried to the clouds on flow'ry beds of ease/While others fought to win the prize and sailed through bloody seas?"

The Rapturist sings, "You'd better believe it!"

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/2/16


The tribulation that we are facing today is a result of denominational religion.---joseph

Joseph
Very insightful. In the great tribulation God will test the believer, (1 Peter 1:7-9). Those who think they are on the right course, a course charted, by way of a man made Doctrine. Those taught "WORKS" are without merit.

During the great tribulation, these false teachings will be tested, as will those who follow them. Many who follow these false doctrines will fail this test, but there will be some who pass through. For those who don't know, but want to know, this is what Paul was teaching in (1 Corinthians 3:8-15).
---David on 9/2/16


Most seem to be waiting for a time of great physical hardship, however the physical hardships that we face today or will face in this generation will never compare to the hardships faced by the early church. History has shown very clearly that man has overcome the harshest of hardships during this age. The tribulation that we are facing today is a result of denominational religion. Various concepts, precepts, false doctrines and traditions of man that make the Word of God ineffective In the lives of its members. The tribulation of the end times is the great deception of Satan, as The Christ imitator who disguises himself as an angel of light and stands in the temple of God claiming to be God, deceiving most, even the professing Christian.
---joseph on 9/1/16


The Book of Romans is written to Christians. In fact the whole Bible is for Christians.

Matthew 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
Romans 15:4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.
Timothy 3:15-17 ... All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.


Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 8/31/16


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"Jesus said,(TO ISRAEL (Rom 15:8)) "In the world you have TRIBULATION, but be of good cheer. I have overcome the world."
"Who is speaking, to whom is he speaking?"


Michael_e Jesus was send only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel, (Mat 15:24) almost everything He said was said to Israel. But do you honestly believe that His words were only meant for the natural house of Israel?
"We (the human race) all like sheep have gone astray, we have turned every one to his own way, and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all". Isa 53:6 Abraham (who was himself uncircumcised) is the Father of us all.
---Josef on 8/31/16


But the first resurrection before the thousand year reign of Christ some do NOT die for it is written that the dead in Christ shall rise and the living shall be caught up with the dead.---Steveng

Steven
Thank you for clarifying my statement.

I was not saying none of the living being will be in the 1st resurrection, but death must come before the first resurrection ever takes place. (Revelation 6:8)

My point was made to show the church will go through the tribulation, by showing death, for those in the first resurrection, comes during the tribulation period as told in (Revelation 6:8-9).

The second resurrection will be for those not written in the Book of Life.
---David on 9/1/16


//Jesus said,(TO ISRAEL (Rom 15:8)) "In the world you have TRIBULATION, but be of good cheer. I have overcome the world."
Who is speaking, to whom is he speaking?
//The pre-trib rapturist prays, "Don't you dare listen to Jesus. You take us out of this world!"//
When and where did you here this prayer?
btw the scriptures you quoted are OT under law.(Heb 9:16,17)
---michael_e on 8/31/16


David wrote: "The popular rapture teaching, teaches we do not die before going to heaven, which is the very reason for the tribulation period. It gives us the opportunity to die for Christ, as he died for us."

Yes, there are two resurrections. The second after the thousand year reign of Christ when all the other dead rise to be judged from the Book of Life according to what they did while they were still alive on the planet Earth.

But the first resurrection before the thousand year reign of Christ some do NOT die for it is written that the dead in Christ shall rise and the living shall be caught up with the dead.
---Steveng on 8/31/16


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\\/Will Christians go through the tribulation?//
No
---michael_e on 8/30/16\\

Jesus said, "In the world you have TRIBULATION, but be of good cheer. I have overcome the world."

He also prayed, "I pray that you do not take them out of this world, but keep them safe from the evil one."

The pre-trib rapturist prays, "Don't you dare listen to Jesus. You take us out of this world!"

Which prayer is the Father more likely to grant?

(BTW, there was no rapture for the martyrs of the Empire, of the Red Curtain, or of the mahometan insurgency.)

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/31/16


Will Christians go through the tribulation?

Of course.

We are going through tribulation NOW.

Please let me know if after becoming a Christian you NEVER experience any tribulation in your life?

So, if you are experiencing tribulation now, what makes you think you won't if Jesus returns tomorrow?

Jesus NEVER said He is returning first as a 'drive-thru', then 2.5 for the finally conversion.

That is all made up.

Jesus is returning once!

That's it!
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/31/16


//Will Christians go through the tribulation?//
No
---michael_e on 8/30/16


The danger of focusing on a pre-tribulation rapture (regardless of whether it is true or not) is that one focuses on avoiding tribulation, which may be all well and fine for the very worst tribulation of all time (i.e. the final one), but is of no help at all for all lesser tribulations - such as those that currently occur, and have occurred in the past - such as Christian genocides under various tyrants throughout history.

If one relies on the crutch of being snatched away, when real tribulation does come, and one is NOT snatched away, the crutch breaks, and one can lose one's faith. Jesus didn't tell us to wait on a mountain to wait for our ride - he told us to be busy at our work, as he will come at a time when we do not expect.
---StrongAxe on 8/30/16


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Carol
The bible teaches there will be two resurrections in (Revelation 20:4).

The word "Resurrection" is the key to answering your question. Notice those resurrected in (Revelation 20:4), DIE, before they are resurrected.

Why must they die?
Because a physical death is a requirement of resurrection, as in the example of our Lord Jesus Christ. The very definition of resurrection is to be brought back to life. Is there a need for resurrection if you are not dead?

The popular rapture teaching, teaches we do not die before going to heaven, which is the very reason for the tribulation period. It gives us the opportunity to die for Christ, as he died for us.
---David on 8/31/16


I used to believe in the rapture theory wholeheartedly, but after studying the issue more closely I do not feel that the rapture will happen, at least until the end of the tribulation.

I'd really like it to be true......to escape and be done with it. I am concerned that many rapture believers will not be prepared to endure the terrible things the tribulation will bring upon them. Hence, a great falling away.

If the pre-trib rapture happens...wonderful! I will gladly be wrong. But I don't feel it wise to count
on it.
---Press_On on 8/31/16


Yes Carol, The Tribulation addresses the faithfulness of those that claim to be, or consider themselves to be children of God. Jesus instructions to us concerning this time is to take heed that no man deceive us. For Father is not mocked: We are to stay alert, watch and pray, that we enter not into temptation. For although the spirit is willing, the flesh is weak. When the Son of Man comes, will he find faith on the earth? Will we keep the word of His patient endurance and steadfastness until the end, shunning the coming temptation? The temptation of one whose coming is in accord with the effectual operation and activity of Satan, deceiving through powerful signs and false wonders, magnifying himself in his heart, and by peace destroying many.
---joseph on 8/30/16


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