Explain Matthew 23:1-3
Matt 19:7-9 Jesus stops divorce as in law given by Moses in Deuteronomy 24:1-4. Moses never granted no fault divorce, but Moses' Successor who granted them.
Jesus still called Moses' Successor: Moses (Matthew 23:1) as we in the RCC still call Pope Francis: Peter.
Please explain Matthew 23:1-3a
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//peter NEVER claimed to be pope.//
Yet the man lead all the speeches Acts 2:14 3:12 5:3, 29 10:1-49
FINALLY at the very first meeting Council of Jerusalem with ALL the Apostles and the Presbyters, who make the final decision?
PETER in Acts 15
Peter is named more times than ALL the Apostles combined
Lets listen to Jesus
Luke 22:31 Simon, Simon, Satan has asked to sift each of you like wheat...STRENGTHEN your BROTHERS."
Jesus TOLD Peter to feed His Lambs, Tend and FEED His sheep. (Note sheep is singular as in the Church)
//obey me or I will anathema you from salvation!' or 'you cannot participate in eternal salvation.---mike
Either does the CCC. Your point?
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/16/16|
//why don't you believe the Bible words that say Jesus is the foundation?//
Because the BIBLE doesn't say Jesus is the foundation you all do.
Peter is calling Jesus a living stone as well as men.
Peter is clear as in the OT who is the Chief CORNER stone: Jesus
Ephesians 2:20 Calls the Apostles and Prophets the foundation and Jesus the Cornerstone.
Exodus17:10-15 What does that scene remind you of?
Jesus from the tribe of Judah crucified and a Priest assisting the Church to win the Spiritual Battle
Note the stone Moses is sitting on. Matthew 16:18
Jesus is the new Moses and Peter the Rock.
It seems I trust and believe the Bible's Words more than some on CN
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/16/16|
Nicole why don't you believe the Bible words that say Jesus is the foundation?
1Peter 2:4-8 To whom coming, as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, and precious, Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ. Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded. ...
---Samuelbb7 on 10/16/16|
//show me one passage from Moses time, where there was a specific chair he gave the law concerning marriage//
Deut 24:1, Leviticus, Exodus and Numbers.
//Jesus was talking about an imaginary seat..there is no Moses seat,---Luke 10/7/
Should I believe you or Jesus? Matt 23:2 "Pharisees sit in MOSES' SEAT.
//Same as when He said, this is my blood, there was no blood in the vase, but wine. Real wine not real blood.//
Noooo, it is REAL BLOOD.
JESUS' BLOOD in the chalice not vase.
Wine is the Accident.
Accident as 'cold or hot' is the accident of the substance.
//His (Jesus) words are not imaginary, they are real words.---Luke on 10/14/16
Make up your mind.
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/14/16|
another justification that there SHOULD BE A POPE. peter NEVER claimed to be pope. there is NOT one verse in the bible peter said 'I am the pope! kiss my ring! obey me or I will anathema you from salvation!' or 'you cannot participate in eternal salvation.
---mike on 10/14/16|
Nicole, you are making a mockery of the word of God. You do not believe the chair Jesus talked about was imginary, then show me one passage from Moses time, where there was a specific chair he gave the law concerning marriage and other laws. I know you won't find it.
then you say:
"*Jesus forgot to tell them he was speaking in a parable even though it was wasn't a story?"
Jesus was not speaking in parable, it was a figure of speech. Same as when He said, this is my blood, there was no blood in the vase, but wine. Real wine not real blood.
*So Jesus command to love one another and His other commands are imaginary as well?" Wrong again,
His words are not imaginary, they are real words.
---Luke on 10/14/16|
//Jesus is Moses successor that is correct.//
Better to say Moses is a Precursor to Jesus
//the current Pope is not the successor of Peter. Since they would have to follow Peter.//
Since they do follow Peter and have his keys they are the Successor of Peter.
//Peter says Jesus is the foundation.Samuelbb7
There you go again! Making up Scriptures.
No Where in the Bible did Peter call Jesus the foundation.
But Jesus calls Peter the foundation of His Church.
Jesus is the Head of the Church.
Titus 1:7-9 Doesn't mean if a Bishop who is corrupted isn't a Bishop anymore.
It means he is a corrupt Bishop. He doesn't lose his Office.
A doctor who is dishonest is STILL A DOCTOR!
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/13/16|
Matthew 23:1-3 Jesus said the Pharisees often taught correctly. But failed to live what they taught they were hypocrites.
Jesus is Moses successor that is correct. But the current Pope is not the successor of Peter. Since they would have to follow Peter. Peter says Jesus is the foundation. So like the false Pharisees they are false leaders.
Titus 1:7-9 For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God, not self willed, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre, But a lover of hospitality, a lover of good men, sober, just, holy, temperate, Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.
---Samuelbb7 on 10/12/16|
//Nicole you are obdurate,//
OBDURATE: stubbornly refusing to change one's opinion or course of action.
One needs to refuse to turn from the TRUTH in JESUS.
//are led by your natural passions only, and are not able to exegete those very passages that you gave--Glenn
Focus on the Matt 23:1.
You made a mistake claiming Jesus condemned the Pharisees and Scribe's doctrines.
FACTS are hard to break down.
Which may be the reason you succumb to name calling?
The RCC is the ONLY religion that DOESN'T grant divorces.
READ the whole Blog question.
The Passages I gave PROVES Jesus continues to follows Succession of Authority which everyone MUST OBEY.
As with Moses so as with Pope Francis.
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/12/16|
Nicole you are obdurate, are led by your natural passions only, and are not able to exegete those very passages that you gave *1.
Jesus condemned Hillel's doctrine, who allowed a frivolous divorce, in the very verse that you gave, also *2.
*1 1Corinthians 2:14, 2Timothy 2:16, 23-26, 3:1-9, James 3:14-16, Jude 1:1-19.
*2 Isaiah 29:13, Matthew 15:1-9, 16:6, 12.
---Glenn on 10/11/16|
//the other peculiar doctrines taught by both the Pharisees and Sadducees were condemned by the Lord, as was hypocrisy.---Glenn
Jesus NEVER condemn any of their doctrines. He only condemned their actions..
Jesus instructed everyone to obey the doctrines
Matthew 23:1-3 Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: 2 The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses seat. 3 So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach.
//The body CAN'T OBEY. It has no life.--aservant
Mark 14:38 Watch and pray so that you will not enter into temptation...the spirit is willing, but the body is weak.
Jesus didn't say the body is DEAD but weak
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/11/16|
Jesus didn't forbid divorce, but reaffirmed the grounds for it. The writ of divorce always listed who was at fault.
A man who correctly taught the law sat in Moses' seat, the other peculiar doctrines taught by both the Pharisees and Sadducees were condemned by the Lord, as was hypocrisy.
If you read through verse 39 though, you will see the Pope and the Magisterium in all its gloominess.
---Glenn on 10/10/16|
Which the Flesh/Body has to obey.
Jn 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth (G2227 = makes alive), the flesh profiteth nothing:
2 Cor 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers . . . of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
Gal 6:8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption, but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
The body CAN'T OBEY. It has no life. It is the Spirit inside the body that must obey. Spirit is the Life of the body.
---aservant on 10/11/16|
//All the words in the Bible are Spiritual, because God is the Author of Scripture.//
God CREATED the Flesh/Body.
//He is also the Author of the Law, and Moses was tasked with the duty of giving and teaching God's Law.//
Which the Flesh/Body has to obey.
//If you don't belong to Jesus, you don't go to Heaven.---aservant
And if you don't believe Jesus is BOTH Human (Body) and Divine (Spiritual).
How do you think they crucified HIM?
They couldn't crucify His Divinity.
Jesus states when the Leaders of the Community seat in Moses' seat.
Like when someone tells you to sit down.
They are not saying for you to imagine yourself sitting down, NO they are saying to SIT DOWN!
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/10/16|
aservant, Jesus doesn't say Spiritual. You keep adding that word.
Jn 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth, the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
All the words in the Bible are Spiritual, because God is the Author of Scripture. He is also the Author of the Law, and Moses was tasked with the duty of giving and teaching God's Law.
1Cor 14:33 God is the Author of peace
Heb 5:9 God is the Author of eternal salvation
Heb 12:2 Jesus is the Author and Finisher of our faith
If you have not His Spirit, you do not belong to Jesus. Rom 8:9
If you don't belong to Jesus, you don't go to Heaven.
---aservant on 10/10/16|
Aservant, Jesus doesn't say Spiritual. You keep adding that word.
When Justice Antonin Scalia died he left a seat with Authority OPENED
Supreme Justices sitting in a seats of Authority giving out orders and laws for US to OBEY.
When Scalia's seat is filled it will be known as the next person's seat.
9 Seats: SUPREME Authority passing LAWS and ORDERS.
Moses left a seat that was filled by other Leaders of the Jewish Community.
Jesus named those Leaders in Matthew 23:2 "The Scribes and the Pharisees has taken their seat on the chair of Moses.
Note: 'taken their seat' on the authority of Moses' seat.
Just like the next Supreme Justice will take Scalia's seat and have his authority.
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/9/16|
. . . There was no Moses seat. None existed. ---Luke on 10/7/16
Mat 23:2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
Jesus does not lie, as men lie. Moses holds a Spiritual seat of authority.
Moses seat - Moses was the great legislator of the Jews. By him the Law was given . . . By sitting in the seat of Moses we are to understand authority to teach the Law, or, as he taught the nation by giving the Law, so they taught it by explaining it.
By the seat of Moses, we are to understand authority to teach the law.
---aservant on 10/7/16|
//Nicole, Moses seat was an imaginary seat of authority. There was no Moses seat. None existed. Jesus was talking about an imaginary seat.--Luke
In one post you explain Sola Scriptura.
Now you throw your belief of Sola Scriptura out the window with Matthew 23:1-3
So let me understand you:
*Jesus meant to say imaginary but didn't?
*Jesus forgot to tell them he was speaking in a parable even though it was wasn't a story?
*So Jesus command to love one another and His other commands are imaginary as well?
Please give chapter and verse stating Jesus speaks in imaginary terms with some of His Commands.
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/7/16|
Nicole, Moses seat was an imaginary seat of authority. There was no Moses seat. None existed. Jesus was talking about an imaginary seat. And when he quoted about Moses time concerning divorce, Jesus said: "Jesus said to them, Moses because of the hardness of our hearts, permitted you to divorce your wives, but (and Jesus quoted from Genesis) from the beginning it was not so." (Matt. 19:8).
So there is no Moses seat, and Jesus did quote what happened in Moses time concerning divorce.
---Luke on 10/7/16|
//Nicole, that was before Jesus on the cross started our New Covenant. Now, He gives us qualified leaders > 1 Timothy 3:1-10.---Bill
Sorry, but you are the one who brought up 1 Peter 5:3 not me.
//We are obligated to obey those who are His "examples" (1 Peter 5:3).---Bill on 10/6/16//
I knew your paraphrasing St. Peter was wrong.
So I decided to read the before and after verses of the cited verse you gave.
Also, Peter wrote that letter AFTER Jesus was crucified, died and rose from the dead.
Peter is in the New Covenant and wrote the EXACT thing Jesus said about obeying your Elders no matter how they behaved.
1 Peter 5:5 In the same way, you who are younger, SUBMIT yourselves to your ELDERS.
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/6/16|
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---Bill on 10/6/16
The key is "auhorized interpreters". Leaders must meet God's Spiritul qualifications, not man's educational qualifications (admittedly this is mostly reversed today).
We are obligated to obey God's appointees in the matter of interpreting His Law (yet, many of today's leaders have not been appointed by God, but by men, and have little skill in interpreting the Law).
So Jesus told them to obey what leaders said re the Law, but do not do what they do, for they are not faithful to the Law in their behavior. It is the same today.
---aservant on 10/6/16|
Nicole, that was before Jesus on the cross started our New Covenant. Now, He gives us qualified leaders > 1 Timothy 3:1-10.
---Bill on 10/6/16|
//We are obligated to obey those who are His "examples" (1 Peter 5:3)--Bill
No Sir, that is NOT what Jesus said.
Jesus said the opposite!
Obey NO MATTER how they behavior.
Jesus said for us not to DO or imitate their behavior.
You plucked out the verses you wanted to spin it your way.
1 Peter 5:1-5 is addressed to the Elders and how they should behavior.
V5 which you left out is exactly what Jesus said in Matthew 23:3a
1 Peter 5:1-5 To the elders among you, I appeal as a fellow elder and a witness of Christs sufferings who also will share in the glory to be revealed:..
V5 In the same way, you who are younger, SUBMIT yourselves to your ELDERS.
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/6/16|
Now we have qualified leaders (1 Timothy 3:1-10), "approved" (1 Corinthians 11:19). We are obligated to obey those who are His "examples" (1 Peter 5:3).
---Bill on 10/6/16|
Mat 23:1 Mat 23:1 Then Jesus spoke to the crowds and to his disciples.
Mat 23:2 "The teachers of the Law and the Pharisees are the authorized interpreters of Moses' Law.
Mat 23:3 So you must obey and follow everything they tell you to do, do not, however, imitate their actions, because they don't practice what they preach.
---aservant on 10/4/16|
//Moses Seat, stressing the fact that this was an imaginary authority they claimed for themselves..//
Jesus spoke to the multitudes and to His disciples, saying: The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses seat. Therefore WHATEVER THEY TELL you to OBSERVE, that OBSERVE AND DO, but do not do according to their works, for they say, and do not do.
How can it be an imaginary authority if even Jesus acknowledge their authority and instructed His Disciples to obey WHATEVER is commanded?
//Jesus did not believe in divorce, and so quoted what was permitted in Moses time--Luke
No quotation from Moses given, only from Genesis.
An explanation given WHY 'no fault' divorce was given to them at the time.
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/4/16|
Nicole, Matthew 23:1-3 gives the expression that they (the scribes and Pharisees) have seated themselves in Moses Seat, stressing the fact that this was an imaginary authority they claimed for themselves since they decided matters of the law (Deut. 17:9) but the scripts and Pharisees had gone beyond any legitimate authority.
Jesus did not believe in divorce, and so quoted what was permitted in Moses time, but made it clear God did not permit it by quoting Genesis.
---Luke on 10/4/16|
//God never BANNED divorce, but ALLOWED it for HARDNESS OF HEART.//
Now don't change Jesus' Words.
Jesus said Moses granted them divorce not God.
Then Jesus quotes Genesis of Married Couples can NEVER divorce.
Invalid Marriage is not the same as Divorce.
//I don't specifically understand what question you have about this issue--faithforfaith on 9/30/16
Sorry, because there are multiple points/questions to my posts.
1. Jesus clearly understands anyone in Moses' chair still has God Authority as Peter's Chair set up my Jesus.
2. Moses agrees with Jesus in the no fault divorce. He never granted them.
So his Successor did grant them.
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/30/16|
God never BANNED divorce, but ALLOWED it for HARDNESS OF HEART.
God acknowledges its necessity for human society because we cause the need for it with our behavior. He saw the betrayal of the House of Israel ("the faithless one") and performed divorce (surprised?).
I don't specifically understand what question you have about this issue.
Jer 3:8 that faithless one, Israel, I had sent her away with a decree of divorce, yet her false sister Judah did not fear, but she too went and played the harlot. (RSV).
---faithforfaith on 9/30/16|