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1285 -------- For "by the sacrament of Confirmation, [the baptized] are more perfectly bound to the Church and are enriched with a special strength of the Holy Spirit. Hence they are, as true witnesses of Christ, MORE strictly obliged to spread and defend the faith by word and deed."
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/25/16

What I Said Nicole is Ephesians 4 supports no such doctrine you have stated here. The Gift of Evangelism is only one of several Gifts Given the Holy Spirit empowers. Do you have a special sacrament confirmation for each individual Gift in Ephesians 4?
---kathr4453 on 10/27/16


//Nicole, the Bible teaches no such thing as the Sacrament of Conformation, or that any such thing empowers anyone for anything.---kathr4453 on 10/26/16

Are you saying the Holy Spirit can NOT empower us to defend the faith?

NO WHERE is in Luke 24:49 and Acts 1:8

Luke 24:49 And behold, I am sending the promise of My Father upon you. But remain in the city until you have been clothed with POWER FROM ON HIGH.

Acts 1:8 But you will RECEIVE POWER when the Holy Spirit comes on you, and you will be MY WITNESSES in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.

Exactly what the CCC states!

The RCC doesn't make anything up.
---Nicole on 10/26/16


Thank you for your prayers Nicole. I appreciate them.

Aserevent. I have friends who were Baptist and told they could not be lost. But then they joined the Seventh day Adventist church. The Pastor then told them they were lost.

What do you think?
---Samuelbb7 on 10/26/16


Nicole, the Bible teaches no such thing as the Sacrament of Conformation, or that any such thing empowers anyone for anything. If you read Ephesians 4, the Risen Christ gives GIFTS of service to every member of the Body the moment we are Born Again. His very life in us is all the confirmation that is needed. Again Nicole, when you read the Book of Acts, that gives a history of the beginning of the early Church we see no such thing as sacraments or conformations the RCC has made up. But you do find these kinds of things in false cults like the RCC, Mormon Church....re added special rituals not in scripture.
---kathr4453 on 10/26/16


steveng ask, "If the three are one and the same, why is it that God the Father knows the return of Jesus and Jesus himself does not?"

Picture 3 fingers of your hand. They can operate individually, 2 together as one, or 3 together as one. Your spirit decides if 1 and 3 are used together, or if 1, 2, and 3 are used together. Your fingers are subject to a controller, i.e., your spirit. The #2 finger can do nothing if not activated by the controller.

Same with Jesus. What He knows or what He does is subject to a Controller, i.e., His Father. Jesus can only speak what He has been taught. The Father had not taught Him everything while he was still here on earth. Jn 8:28, 12:49-50
---aservant on 10/25/16




Samuel, I will pray for son.

Confirmation is to EMPOWER the baptized person to spread the Gospel.

CCC: THE SACRAMENT OF CONFIRMATION

1285 Baptism, the Eucharist, and the sacrament of Confirmation together constitute the "sacraments of Christian initiation," whose unity must be safeguarded. It must be explained to the faithful that the reception of the SACRAMENT of CONFIRMATION is necessary for the completion of baptismal grace. For "by the sacrament of Confirmation, [the baptized] are more perfectly bound to the Church and are enriched with a special strength of the Holy Spirit. Hence they are, as true witnesses of Christ, MORE strictly obliged to spread and defend the faith by word and deed."
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/25/16


He is lost unless he repents. That is what I read in the Bible. ---Samuelbb7 on 10/25/16

Once saved, he is yoked to Jesus. He can't "lose" himself. Jesus loses no one.

Jn 17:12 . . . those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost . . .
Jn 18:9 . . . them which thou gavest me have I lost none.

God promises to save the entire family. IOW, if the head of the house has the Holy Spirit living inside his body (i.e., saved), God ensures the Holy Spirit will eventually inhabit the rest of his family.

Act 16:31 They answered, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you and your family will be saved."
---aservant on 10/25/16


I took an oath to defend the U.S. Constitution
---Leon on 10/25/16

Our Founding Fathers saw Socialism as a threat:

Samuel Adams wrote "The Utopian schemes of levelling, and a community of goods, are as visionary and impracticable, as those which vest all property in the Crown, are arbitrary, despotic, and in our government, unconstitutional".

Ben Franklin wrote "there has been in every State & Kingdom a constant kind of warfare between the governing & governed: the one striving to obtain more for its support, and the other to pay less. And this has alone occasioned great convulsions, actual civil wars, ending either in dethroning of the Princes, or enslaving of the people"
---Mark_Eaton on 10/25/16


In the RCC at confirmation the child declares for GOD. If they refuse to declare for GOD and choose to leave the church and follow the world. Are they still saved?

We believe that Baptism requires the child to decide. Like in confirmation. My youngest son was Baptized. But now has left the church and does not believe. He is lost unless he repents.

That is what I read in the Bible.
---Samuelbb7 on 10/25/16


//Nicole, babies can't believe, so being baptized with water does not save them.---kathr4453 on 10/24/16

SO WHAT!

Neither can a 8 day old JEWISH BABY BOY decided for himself.

God didn't care!

He demanded all Jewish parents to OBEY His commands to circumcise all baby boys!

Protestant's logical amazes me!

Protestant parents decided what a child will eat, drink, wear, what language they will speak, how to behave in public, what time to go to bed, go to school, watch TV or not, internet and how much, play with which kid, which doctor, dentist and where they are live.

But GOD FORBID you all force Baptism on your child for Jesus without his or her consent.

REALLY?
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/25/16




Acts 19: 2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.

3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.

4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.

5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

Looks like these guys were Baptized twice. We see under John they believed.

Nicole, babies can't believe, so being baptized with water does not save them.
---kathr4453 on 10/24/16


"Unbelieving" damns us to hell . . .

"He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved, but he that believeth not shall be damned." Mk 16:16 ---john9346 on 10/21/16


Non-believers don't get baptised = refusal to publicly partake of the rite of Jesus, and demonstrate one's solemn pledge to serve Him = rejection of their only Way to salvation, rejection of the only Blood that will cleanse sin.

Jas 2:19 Even the devils believe, but are not saved
Mt 7:21-23 these believed, but are not saved

Unbelief can be repented of.

If one refuses earthly baptism, will God give him the Heavenly Baptism of the Holy Spirit, needed to belong to Jesus? Rom 8:9
---aservant on 10/24/16


//Mark 16:16 ....how do you know Jesus was talking about John's water Baptism?//

Who is greater? John or Jesus?

Why would Jesus promote John's Baptism and NOT His Own?

//The RCC water baptism even of babies is powerless.//

It isn't called RCC's water baptism.

It is Jesus' Baptism in the NAMES OF THE TRINITY! Matthew 28:19 POWER in the Name!

//RCC mass everyday is not AGAIN dealing with SIN, ONCE AND FOR ALL.---kathr4453

NOT the RCC mass, but the Lord's Mass.
The Orthodox Masses are the same.

Jesus told the Disciples to do this ALWAYS in remembrances of ME at the Last Supper. The RCC is obedient.

In the 'Our Father' or the Lord's Prayer it states 'our daily bread' Thus Daily Mass.
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/24/16


Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved, but he that believeth not shall be damned.


Nicole, I asked you based on this verse ....how do you know Jesus was talking about John's water Baptism? The verse does not specifically say WATER BAPTIZED. What we do know for sure concerning TODAY, that UNLESS you personally have been BAPTIZED into Jesus Death, and by that baptism the POWER OF SIN IS DESTROYED, you are lost, damned. John's baptism has NO POWER over sin, and our old man. The RCC water baptism even of babies is powerless over SIN, and with that you are still in your sin= LOST, DAMNED. If you understood this you would understand taking the RCC mass everyday is not AGAIN dealing with SIN, ONCE AND FOR ALL.
---kathr4453 on 10/24/16


Ok Nicole, where does Romans and Corinthians contradict Jesus and Johns words in the 4 Gospels?---kathr4453 on 10/24/16

No no no no. I NEVER said they CONTRADICT the Gospels.

I gave examples OUTSIDE the Gospels proving they are following Jesus' instructions on Baptism Matthew 28:19

I said:

***NOOO! You are not going to use mere men to DISCOUNT Jesus' Words!

How can you run over Jesus' Words in Mark 16:16 to make up your own Salvation formula?

Stay in the Gospels esp. Mark 16:16.

Follow Jesus not John.

NO. The Apostles including Paul, The RCC/Orthodox Churches are NOT confused.--Nicole_Lacey on 10/23/16

The reason I said to stay in the Gospels since the others seems to be odd to you
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/24/16


John 1:33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.

Luke 3:16. John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water, but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire:


Ok Nicole, where does Romans and Corinthians contradict Jesus and Johns words in the 4 Gospels? The Baptism of the Holy Spirit was promised with the New Covenant, that didn't come into effect until AFTER Jesus died and rose again. Jesus own words...John 14.
---kathr4453 on 10/24/16


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SOOOO Nicole, since all 4 Gospel accounts speak of TWO entirely different baptisms, one water, and one with the Holy Spirit and fire, how can you be so sure Jesus was referring to John's water baptism? Why would Jesus recommend a lesser baptism, when even John himself said Jesus Baptism was superior? Even Jesus told Nichodemus that one must be born of the SPIRIT. And we see Romans 6-8 gives a very clear teaching on exactly how one is born of the Spirit, called as being baptized into Jesus death so one can be in the likeness of His resurrection. RE: being born of the Spirit of the Life of Christ IN YOU.
---kathr453 on 10/24/16


//believing in oneself never saved anyone.//

Yare off course.

I USED an example: IF you believe in yourself and PASS the BAR EXAM.

//The Gospel that SAVES is to believe in the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, stated in Romans 10: 9-10 and 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 //

NOOO! You are not going to use mere men to DISCOUNT Jesus' Words!

How can you run over Jesus' Words in Mark 16:16 to make up your own Salvation formula?

Stay in the Gospels esp. Mark 16:16.

Follow Jesus not John.

//Acts, and the confusion of these entirely different baptisms.//

NO. The Apostles including Paul, The RCC/Orthodox Churches are NOT confused.

We are ALL baptized in the name of the Trinity. Matt 28:19
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/23/16


Nicole, believing in oneself never saved anyone. The Gospel that SAVES is to believe in the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, stated in Romans 10: 9-10 and 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 just for starters. John's baptism made no such requirement, as we see in Acts, and the confusion of these entirely different baptisms. The Holy Spirit was not given until Jesus rose from the dead. There is a water baptism and a spiritual baptism. Only the spiritual baptism TODAY saves. Romans 6-8.
---kathr4453 on 10/23/16


//I want you to believe and follow the words of Jesus.//

Great, I do believe and following THE WORD.

//stone which the builders rejected,..become the head of the corner:
Jesus is the stone on which the church is built.//

If you are head of a football team you are PLAYING football NOT baseball.

HEAD OF THE CORNER! Thus Jesus only calls Himself the CORNERSTONE. NEVER FOUNDATION

Cite JESUS calling Himself the Foundation stone.

//Paul and Peter Agree with him.//

That Jesus is the Cornerstone.

Neither called Jesus is the Foundation Stone.

But, Peter did say the Apostles were the foundation.

//Keep your eyes on Jesus. agape---Samuelbb7

ALWAYS. PEACE. You are always kind!
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/23/16


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//one can pass a bar exam, without having to believe in oneself.//

That's WHY Catholics baptizes babies.

But you are not following John's assertion of Jesus' requirements to be Saved in Mark 16:16.

//Which Baptism are we talking here?//

Matthew 28:19

//OR the Baptism AFTER John spoke of...//

The Holy Spirit as in Matthew 28:19

Fire symbolizes the Holy Spirit. Acts 2:3-4 and Luke 12:49.

//those in acts were not saved or I dwelt with the Holy Spirit until the Gospel was preached to---kathr4453

Acts 2:1-4 They received the Holy Spirit even thought they witnessed Jesus' Resurrection

Philips is CLEAR on HOW to be Saved as Jesus demands One to be Saved. Acts 8:36-38

BAPTISM
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/23/16


If I tell you to BELIEVE in yourself, AND PASS the BAR EXAM, you can't SKIP the BAR exam, and call yourself a Lawyer just because you ONLY BELIEVE in yourself!///

But one can pass a bar exam, without having to believe in oneself.

Which Baptism are we talking here? I see in Acts a group of men who were baptized with John the Baptist Baptism, but had never heard of the Holy Spirit OR the Baptism AFTER John spoke of ..the Baptism with fire The crucified and risen Christ Baptized with. Seems as those in acts were not saved or I dwelt with the Holy Spirit until the Gospel was preached to them concerning The death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.
---kathr4453 on 10/23/16


Nicole I want you to believe and follow the words of Jesus.
Mat 21:42
Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?

Mark 15:46 Luke 20:17

Jesus is the stone on which the church is built. He says so in these verses. Paul and Peter Agree with him.

Keep your eyes on Jesus. agape
---Samuelbb7 on 10/23/16


//those are the sources of your religion.//

Cite sources from the CCC or Vatican.VA.

You CAN'T because you won't FIND any of your claims about the RCC.

//I am only stating what your own sources on a matter.---john9346

Try CCC or Vatican.VA for a change.

I CAN'T argue against those sources.

//"He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved, but he that believeth not shall be damned." Mk 16:16---john9346

The word 'and' is there for a reason.

If I tell you to BELIEVE in yourself, AND PASS the BAR EXAM, you can't SKIP the BAR exam, and call yourself a Lawyer just because you ONLY BELIEVE in yourself!

Understand? Believing ISN'T enough!

ACTION is required!
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/22/16


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12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.///

Yes John, God CHOSE Jacob and it was JACOB who was renamed ISRAEL. THE ELDER, THAT IS ESAU, SHALL SERVE THE YOUNGER. I still fail to see how Esau SERVING Jacob, or being in submission to Jacob as Gods chosen to head the Nation Israel, says anything about election to SALVATION????? Israel mine ELECT, was called to be God's ELECT PEOPLE on earth. But that in no way GUARANTEED their individual salvation, as we see it did not. Israel is STILL GOD'S chosen people as Romans 11 is trying to tell you, even though they were blinded ( only for a time) for salvation to come to the Gentiles.
---kathr4453 on 10/22/16


Nicole said, "
You are a great example WHY I disagree."

Ma'am, those are the sources of your religion.

I believe you have me confused with others who may misrepresent what you believe.

I am only stating what your own sources on a matter.
---john9346 on 10/21/16


Nicole states, "I just believe, trust and obey Jesus' Words."

But the Lord Jesus does not command baptism saves in Mk 16:16

When the verse is understood in its entirety, it is "Unbelieving." that damns us to hell not baptism.

"He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved, but he that believeth not shall be damned."

Mk 16:16
---john9346 on 10/21/16


steveng ask, "If the three are one and the same, why is it that God the Father knows the return of Jesus and Jesus himself does not?"

Sir, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are not the same person, they are 3 different person who make up the being of God.
---john9346 on 10/21/16


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//The Vatican Website, New Advent (catholic encyelopedia)//

That ISN'T the Vatican's website!

VATICAN.VA is the Website

//are Credible Sources/authorities if someone wants to understand Romanism.
Not sure why you are disagreeing.---john9346

BTW Romanism isn't the Catholic Faith.

You are a great example WHY I disagree.

You are confused with the RCC.

Why wouldn't you ACCEPT the CCC?

It's the OFFICAL beliefs of the RCC.

//Tell us, in Mk. 16:16, if baptism is essential for salvation then why isn't it added along with not believing to be the sin to send someone to hell??---john9346

???

Shouldn't you ask Jesus?

I just believe, trust and obey Jesus' Words
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/21/16


///Leon: The Bible mentions...women only if [they're] important to the plot. [?] It doesn't mention...children before Cain+Abel...never mentions ANY daughters...if you assume there [were]...daughters, there's no telling when in the narrative they were born (before or after). No mention...Cain or Abel had wives before the slaying.

[There's] no mention of WHAT the Mark of Cain was, other than...implication...it was easy to see...

...tell us...who the giants were...chapter and verse, please.---StrongAxe on 10/19/16///

'Axe: Without women there'd be no plot (no people). How important is that? You & Dave argue blindly with the Bible, not me. 1.) G1:27-28 ~ 2.) G3:16, 20 ~ 3.) G4:8 ~ 4.) G4:14-17 ~ G6:4.
---Leon on 10/21/16


Kathr,

note,


1. Rom 11:6-8 comes before Rom 11:11.

2. Rom 9:9-23 comes before Rom 11:11.

Before rom11Paul the apostles states the following:

11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth,)

12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.

13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.

16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.

Rom 9
---john9346 on 10/21/16


Nicole,

Tell us, in Mk. 16:16, if baptism is essential for salvation then why isn't it added along with not believing to be the sin to send someone to hell??
---john9346 on 10/21/16


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Nicole,

The Vatican Website, New Advent (catholic encyelopedia) are Credible Sources/authorities if someone wants to understand Romanism.

Not sure why you are disagreeing.
---john9346 on 10/21/16


Rob, What's your point?

You are WAY OFF the subject. Please read all the blogs.

//For Instance Historians and the RCC Historian agree that in 1066 the one church until them split.//

You proved my point.

The year is 1054 not 1066.

Catholics and Orthodox wouldn't make that mistake because it is part of OUR history.

Protestants jump into the disagreement WITHOUT EVEN understanding what the FEUD is about.

//RCC maintains that all the Bishops in Rome had always been superior. This is false history. ---Samuelbb7

Yes, because it's your history NOT the RCC or Orthodox history.

The RCC maintains Jesus wish to have a Leader for His Church.

Matthew 16:13-19, John 21:15 and Luke 22:31
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/21/16


---Jerry6593 on 10/10/16

-- Yet, I bet God sees what I am doing as Love. Why don't you ask Him?

--- You have levied 3 accusations against me. Prove each one with the words and Scripture I responded with. I keep copies of everything I write as proof of what I said.

If you can't prove your charges, I expect a Law abiding believer like yourself to recant . . .
---aservant on 10/11/16



Hey ---Jerry6593,

What was God's answer when you asked Him if I was operating in Love?

You have had several days to prove your accusations against me, yet you have done nothing but accuse me. Where is your proof? If you can't provide it, where is your apology?
---aservant on 10/21/16


I believe that the History that a Church writes for itself if true will match the History that Historians write.

They will differ in viewpoints but they will stated the same events happened at the same time.

For Instance Historians and the RCC Historian agree that in 1066 the one church until them split. The RCC say the Orthodox broke away. The Orthodox say the RCC split off. But both agree on about the same time and the same event.

But the RCC maintains that all the Bishops in Rome had always been superior. This is false history.
---Samuelbb7 on 10/20/16


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Nicole Lacey, I was born and raised in the United States and went to Medical School here with two degrees.

Who should people believe, you who place their faith in a pagan religion, in the so called Pope, and Catholic Church, which is headquartered in another country. In case you forgot, my Paternal Grandfather came to the United States from Italy.
---Rob on 10/20/16


Romans 11: 11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy. 12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles, how much more their fulness?

John, you did it again.....selected scripture you can make say anything you want.

THEY refer to the NATION of Israel, not individual Jews. You make it sound like either the NATION as a whole must believe, or all including Gentiles are lost. Salvation of individual Jews never depended on the whole nation believing. TODAY is whosoever will, meaning individual Jews and Individual Gentiles.
---kathr4453 on 10/20/16


//Lord Jesus Christ never promised anyone baptism saves them.---john9346

You need to read your Bible more.

"Mark 16:16a
"Whoever believes and IS BAPTIZED WILL BE SAVED,"

//Vatican Website is a source of reference, however, there are so many more such New Advent which contains the catholic encyclopedia.---john9346

So what!

If you wanted to know your American History would you TRUST Putin's writing American History just because it had 2000 MORE information than an American Historical Scholar PhD given from a American LICENSED College?

Or a Doctor with an American Medical Degree/Licensed in the USA vs. a Doctor with 50 foreign Countries Medical Degrees/Licenses?

Ridiculous!
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/20/16


Kathr states, "No scripture states what JE said. That is purely twisted doctrine. Where does scripture say Israel stumbled at God sovereignty that He preprogrammed them to reject Him?"

Here you go and thanks for asking:

6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for, but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.

8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear,) unto this day.

Rom 11:6-8
---john9346 on 10/20/16


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Kathr,

Ma'am, I challenge you to cease from your "Personal Attacks." and lets deal with Rom 9-11 contextually in a respectful, mature, and substantive Manner.

Show us can you do so.
---john9346 on 10/20/16


How does one divide the truth? Jesus said that a house divided will not stand. There is only one truth and it stands alone and if divided then it is only half a truth and half a truth is half a lie and as the apostle John said "no lie is of the truth".
---barb on 10/20/16


Brendan states, "
This is foolishness. Electionism is a false doctrine preached by a false prophet/preacher who led his flock away from God, and supplied a cruel demon to replace Him."

So the Lord Jesus Christ was teaching foolishness and Demonic when he stated, "

"All that the Father giveth me shall come to me, and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out."

"And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day."

Jn 6:37 and 39.
---john9346 on 10/20/16


Yes John I have read Romans 9 and 10 and 11. The problem with false doctrine John, is that it takes single verses out of context to say what it wants you to believe. STUDY TO SHOW YOURSELF APPROBED UNTO GOD RIGHTLY DIVIDING G THE WORD OF TRUTH, means not just studying one verse John, but the WHOLE of scripture, where scripture teaches scripture, building line upon line, precept upon precept. IVe done that John, Isaiah 14, Zechariah 12-14, Rev 12-22, Romans 9-11 ALL BELONG TOGETHER. Now what you do need first John a surrendered heart ..Romans 12:1-2 to actually KNOW the will and MIND of God. Reading commentaries is cheating. Having the mind of Calvin does not apply. It's wood hay and stubble, and WILL BURN. Go for the GOLD John.
---kathr4453 on 10/20/16


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Nicole,

Yes, the Vatican Website is a source of reference,however, there are so many more such New Advent which contains the catholic encyclopedia.
---john9346 on 10/19/16


Kathr ask, "John, SCRIPTURE states that Jesus Christ and Him Crucified is that stumbling block. No scripture states what JE said. That is purely twisted doctrine. Where does scripture say Israel stumbled at God sovereignty that He preprogrammed them to reject Him? You need to reread Romans 10 and not mans words.

Ma'am, have you not read Rom
9:9-23??
---john9346 on 10/19/16


Nicole states, "Catholics believe Salvation occurs at Baptism as Jesus promised."

The Lord Jesus Christ never promised anyone baptism saves them...
---john9346 on 10/19/16


Where Was Adam Made ---Leon on 9/9/16

This blog got significantly short-changed moderator (didn't receive the allotted 75 comments). Reminds me of voting suppression...

---Leon on 10/19/16


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//New Advent is of the rcc providing the catholic encyclopedia and other material.---john9346

Only the Vatican.VA website provide accurate accounts of the RCC besides the CCC

Imprimatur: In the RCC an imprimatur is an official declaration by a Church authority that a book or other printed work may be published, it is usually only applied for and granted to books on religious topics from a Catholic perspective.

The grant of imprimatur is normally preceded by a favourable declaration (known as a nihil obstat) by a person who has the knowledge, orthodoxy and prudence necessary for passing a judgement about the absence from the publication of anything that would "harm correct faith or good morals"-- Wikipedia
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/18/16


Nicole,

Ma'am, New Advent is of the rcc providing the catholic encyclopedia and other material.

It contains Jerome's Letter that we are discussing in its entirety.

These are your own Religions' Sources.
---john9346 on 10/17/16


//you can read the Catholic Encyclopedia for yourself.//

I not reading thousands of papers to NOT find in them what you CLAIM is in them.

//read the full context of what Jerome was saying to Ruffinus.//

You didn't even know about that letter/statement by St. Jerome himself, UNTIL I cited it.

You are telling me to read the article?

//read it on the New Advent//

What part of the word 'commentary' do you do not understand?

That like you telling me to read a commentary of my husband's letter INSTEAD of the letter.

//you feel I have not answered?---john9346

***Rufinus rejected the apocrypha---john9346

How can BOTH be against the Apocrypha if St. Jerome writes 'Against Rufinus'???
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/17/16


Nicole,

Ma'am, you can read the Catholic Encyclopedia for yourself on the section of the canon.

Just like you can read the full context of what Jerome was saying to Ruffinus.

Again, you can read it on the New Advent start at paragraph 25 and read on down to understand paragraph 33.


If I over looked any question you have for me, certainly know it wasn't intentionally.

So, what have you asked me that you feel I have not answered?
---john9346 on 10/17/16


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John, pay attention

I said you quoted the commentary's source, but not St. Jerome's words in writing

//(The New Catholic Encyclopedia, on The Canon).---john9346 on 10/14/16

St. Jerome didn't write in the New Catholic Encyclopedia in the year 402 AD

His remarks were written by him in his letter entitled

'Against Rufinus' 11:33 (A.D. 402)


//Rufinus rejected the apocrypha---john9346 on 10/13/16

How can BOTH be against the Apocrypha if St. Jerome writes 'Against Rufinus'???

//After you do so I will be happy to further dialog with you.---john9346 on 10/16/16

PLEASE

I am NOT holding my breath.

You NEVER answer a question even after I answered 5 of your questions!
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/16/16


Nicole states, "Correction
Scripture or the Church? CHURCH."

Tell us all, where did Jesus and his apostles teach this??

Tell us,which church father taught this to be believed, practiced, anddefended??
---john9346 on 10/16/16


Nicole states, "John, you QUOTED someone else's COMMENTARY of St. Jerome's 'so called' rejection."

Ma'am, please read the statement in context you can find it at New Advent start at paragraph 25 to understand the context in its entirety.

After you do so I will be happy to further dialog with you.

Thanks,

John
---john9346 on 10/16/16


John, you QUOTED someone else's COMMENTARY of St. Jerome's 'so called' rejection.

I cited the commentary (Catholic Answers) and where the commentary came from of St. Jerome's remarks: Against Rufinus 11:33 (A.D. 402)

//"But he who brings charges against me..---john9346

Read the WHOLE statement:

"What sin have I committed if I followed the judgment of the churches? But he who brings charges against me....

The 'he' is Rufinus!

Jerome is saying he ISN'T committing any SINS if he Only OBEYS the CHURCH.

He OBEYED. TRANSLATED ALL 73 BOOKS because the Church TOLD him they are INSPIRED!

His opinion didn't matter and so he CHANGED his opinion to the Church's opinion of what is INSPIRED.
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/15/16


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Nicole,

If you listen carefully, Jerome states that the Jews clearly rejected the apocrypha, "But he who brings charges against me for relating the objections that the Hebrews are wont to raise against the story of Susanna, the Son of the Three Children, and the story of Bel and the Dragon, which are not found in the Hebrew volume."

Note, "Hebrew Volume." referring to the Jewish Canon.
---john9346 on 10/14/16


Nicole said, "John, you need to learn how to cite your sources."

I did the Catholic Encyclopedia attest that Jerome rejected the apocrypha as not, "Scripture."







"St. Jerome distinguished between canonical books and ecclesiastical books. The latter he judged were circulated by the Church as good spiritual reading but were not recognized as authoritative Scripture. The situation remained unclear in the ensuing centuries...For example, John of Damascus, Gregory the Great, Walafrid, Nicolas of Lyra and Tostado continued to doubt the canonicity of the deuterocanonical books."

(The New Catholic Encyclopedia, on The Canon).

---john9346 on 10/14/16


Also Nicole,

The Glossa Ordinary also attest that the apocrypha was not always "Scripture."

It only became scripture at Trent in 1546.
---john9346 on 10/14/16


strongaxe ask, "And just what objective biblical criteria do you use to tell one from the other?"

2 questions to ask you:

1. Are you asking me from the point of Sola Scriptura?

2. Are you asking me from the point of canonicity. It helps to know to make sure so when I respond to you thecategories are not confused or misunderstood.

If you are asking from the point of Sola Scriptura Jn 10:3-6 is your answer.
---john9346 on 10/14/16


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strongaxe states, "Sola Scriptura is NOT canonicity, but DEPENDS on canonicity as its foundation."

This is a Roman Catholic Presupposition and I am going to ask you sir...

Can you give us just 1 church father who taught, believed, and defended what you just "Stated to be factual."

I'd have you to know Your friend Brendan on a prior blog admitted this is a Fallacious Position.
---john9346 on 10/14/16


John, you need to learn how to cite your sources.

I cited the article and St. Jerome own statements.

His OWN WORDS:

"What sin have I committed if I followed the judgment of the churches? But he who brings charges against me for relating the objections that the Hebrews are wont to raise against the story of Susanna, the Son of the Three Children, and the story of Bel and the Dragon, which are not found in the Hebrew volume (ie. canon), proves that he is just a foolish sycophant. For I wasn't relating my own personal views, but rather the remarks that they [the Jews] are wont to make against us" (Against Rufinus 11:33 [A.D. 402]).--Catholic Answers

A response against Rufinus in 402 A.D. made by Jerome himself
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/14/16


john9346:

You wrote: No sir, if someone reads Hebrews and Judith then they will know which is "Truth." and which one is "False."

And just what objective biblical criteria do you use to tell one from the other?
---StrongqAxe on 10/13/16


Nicole states, "No it DOESN'T."

For your information:





"St. Jerome distinguished between canonical books and ecclesiastical books. The latter he judged were circulated by the Church as good spiritual reading but were not recognized as authoritative Scripture. The situation remained unclear in the ensuing centuries...For example, John of Damascus, Gregory the Great, Walafrid, Nicolas of Lyra and Tostado continued to doubt the canonicity of the deuterocanonical books."

(The New Catholic Encyclopedia, on The Canon).
---john9346 on 10/13/16


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Nicole siad, "If I cited it to you it MEANS I went to the source."

Ma'am, Catholics United is Hear-say please read it for yourself to know not from what someone is telling you.

If you are willing, I can provide you the chapter so you can read the paragraph in its entirety to obtain context.

You still didn't give me a Name.
Instead of worrying about my sources, give me YOUR sources!
---john9346 on 10/13/16


Nicole ask, "You still didn't give me a Name.
Instead of worrying about my sources, give me YOUR sources!

How about the church Fathers themselves?

Cyril of Jerusalem,Athanasius, Jerome,

Malito of Sardis a bishop rejected the apocrypha.

Hilary of Poitiers a bishop rejected the apocrypha

Rufinus rejected the apocrypha

---john9346 on 10/13/16


cluny states, "john9346, MUNIFICENTISSIMUS DEUS by Pius XII which dogmatized the Assumption (an unnecessary step in Orthodox eyes) specifically mentions the Virgin's death as the teaching of the RCC."

Error, it states, "Completed her earthly Life." it is ambiguous.

---john9346 on 10/13/16


///I would cut the FG down to size and eliminate any agency of it that was not in compliance with the 10th Amendment.--Jerry6593 on 8/13/16

Tell us, Jerry, which agency are these?---NurseRobert on 8/14/16

Still waiting Jerry....
---NurseRobert on 8/16/16///

I hear crickets chirping NR. Maybe Jerry slipped out the backdoor & returned to the backwoods...
---Leon on 10/13/16


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//did you go to the source yourself??//

????
If I cited it to you it MEANS I went to the source.

You still didn't give me a Name.
Instead of worrying about my sources, give me YOUR sources!

//I provided quotation from your own religion stating to you that the "Apocrypha." wasn't always "Scripture."//

No you DIDN'T. You made that up.

//The Catholic Encyclopedia attest to this fact.//

No it DOESN'T

//you cited half of what Jerome said and you admitted that you cited what someone said when I asked you.
Here is what you said, "I took it from "Catholic United for the Faith" several times."---john9346

WITH the article's title of St. Jerome words.
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/13/16


Nicole states, "
We went through this before.
NO Fathers of the Church rejected them.
I even cited St. Jerome stating he will follow the Church and Her wisdom."

No ma'am, you cited half of what Jerome said and you admitted that you cited what someone said when I asked you.

Here is what you said, "I took it from "Catholic United for the Faith" several times."
---john9346 on 10/13/16


Nicole said, "I cited the source proving he didn't."

But did you go to the source yourself??

On the blog, "Is Sola Scriptura Right?" I provided quotation from your own religion stating to you that the "Apocrypha." wasn't always "Scripture."

The Catholic Encyclopedia attest to this fact.
---john9346 on 10/13/16


//Many of the church Fathers rejectedthe "Apocrypha."//

We went through this before.

NO Fathers of the Church rejected them.

I even cited St. Jerome stating he will follow the Church and Her wisdom.

Saying the 'Fathers of the Church' is a dodge.

Names with your sources?

//Ma'am, have you taken the time to study Catejan's Rejection of the apocrypha.---john9346 on 10/12/16

I cited the source proving he didn't.

BTW, a RC Priest rejected them as well. Martin Luther.

Rejecting them proves they were in the Bible before they were born.

BTW, I cited ACTUAL articles. Read them!

I know Facts are hard to swallow.
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/12/16


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strongaxe states, "Yes, God inspired scripture, but that doesn't help if you have a bunch of books in front of you and you don't yet know which ones are scripture or not. Only once you have determined which books are actually scripture (i.e. the canonicity question) can you use those books to develop doctrine (i.e. sola scriptura)."

Hypothetically, lets say I believe this assertion, the dilemma is noone in the category of canonicity believe, taught, or practice as you are stating sir...
---john9346 on 10/12/16


Nicole:

"1. I WON'T CARE if all the 16th Century RC Cardinals came out claiming that ALL the Fathers of the Church were wrong about the 73 book Bible!"

Many of the church Fathers rejectedthe "Apocrypha."

"3. BTW, there is evidence that Cardinal Cajetan DIDN'T REJECT the Apocrypha."

Ma'am, have you taken the time to study Catejan's Rejection of the apocrypha.

BTW, do not refer Google to me when I seek truth I study books, articles (Primary, Secondary Sources) (Independent Sources.)

Google and Wikkipedia are unreliable for these kinds of discussions.
---john9346 on 10/12/16


Nicole states, "Sola Scriptura means NO OTHER SOURCES can be considered when you make decisions in your life!"

Incorrect, this is not the teaching of "Sola Scriptura."
---john9346 on 10/12/16


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