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Give us your Big Lie... aservant.

Aservant selectively misquotes scripture time and again to push his pagan trinity.

//Eph 3:9 . . . created all things by Jesus Christ// as mis-quoted by aservant.

So who created "by Jesus Christ"? Look at the full scripture:

'And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ' (KJV).

Yes it is God [YHWH] who created all things by Jesus Christ. YHWH [Jehovah God] is the creator who created all things by & through Jesus- Jo.1:3, Col1:15-17.
---David8318 on 11/28/16


//violate the first commandment// Strongaxe.

And believing the Word is God and that he is "with" another God is not violating the first commandment?

The correct rendering of Jo.1:1 using the indef.article ['the Word was a god'] & conforming to Greek grammar, avoids falling foul of the 1st commandment.

Again, the 2nd occurrence of theos at Jo.1:1 is without the definite article. Thus it describes the logos as divine or godlike. Not that the logos is God or a secondary god to the one it is already "with".

YHWH is ho theos, or the God the logos is with. The Word is described as a theos just as Paul was described as a theos.
---David8318 on 11/27/16


These below prove conclusively that Jesus is God.

Most others see Truth. I guess you are just smarter.

Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created:

Joh 1:1 . . . the Word was God = the Word created = Jesus created = Jesus IS the Word.

Eph 3:9 . . . created all things by Jesus Christ:


Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God . . .

Come on Lying ---David8318. Give us your Big Lie, your best effort to twist and pervert, why the Father did not say this, or did not mean that Jesus (the Son) is God.
---aservant on 11/26/16


Kathr. I was educated in RC schools and found no systemic abuse from the nuns/priests. No doubt there was some abuse, but this is no different to what's beyond the RCC.

Child abuse has long been prosecuted by authorities when its discovered.

BUT, PC child abuse and baby murder is ignored thanks to Leftists.
3000 babies in USA are murdered each day.
PC child abuse from Leftist teachers traumatizing school children with Leftist lies against Trump.
Neglected Aboriginal children remain victims and die as nobody adopts them for fear the heartless Left will once again start another Stolen Generation propaganda campaign as a political weapon.

Our concern should be about today's heinous child abusers, the PC Left.
---Haz27 on 11/26/16


David8318:

You wrote: 'The Word was a god'...

Grammatically, it's possible that it says that. However, if John 1:1 actually intended to say that, and The Word was a god different from THE God, it would violate the first commandment. Do you think the apostle John would violate the first commandment? Do YOU serve a god who is a different god from the one true God, and thus violate the first commandment?
---StrongAxe on 11/26/16




Lord is not found in the NIV, ASV & others at Lu.23:42. ---David8318 on 11/26/16

Luke 23:42 These versions say Jesus, Lord:

(ABP+) (Darby) (EMTV) (JUB) (KJV) (KJV+) (KJV-1611) (LITV) (MKJV) (Webster) (YLT)

Most of these versions are the older more established versions, and the ones you cited are newer interpretations, which alter or completely leave out some things (against God's command - Rev 22:19). Research version to version.

Truth will always win over lies, just as Jesus (Word) will always win over Satan. Your consistent efforts to twist and pervert the word Of God, and to twist and pervert my words are failing.
---aservant on 11/26/16


Nicole, you are wrong. many people today agree that the horrible abuse of the Magdelene Laundries in Ireland run by NUNS, who held women for 60 years against their will, and abusing them forcing them to work under horrible conditions is appalling to those who know this happened. Many are still alive today telling their story.

Nicole, the problem is YOU have been taught to LIE and cover up such things, as so many Nuns were as well when little boys were being molested. You see, MOST EVERYONE who knows about the Magdelene Laundries DO NOT DEFEND WHAT THEY DID.

Women were imprisioned for 60+ years, by NUNS, not the LAW. And you want to go off about SLAVERY. THAT WAS SLAVERY.
---kathr4453 on 11/27/16


Slavery in the Bible was never about someone OWNING another. It was to work off a debt....7 years. And in Israel, there was that time when all those indentured servants debts were wiped clean. Was there slavery in the NT...Yes But again we don't know the circumstances. Was a debt being worked off? Now we see James making a comment about bosses who underpay their workers. He doesn't say, EXCEPT FOR SLAVES, who,we know did not receive wages for work under OUR system of slavery. Forcing anyone to work without pay is against God, whether it was the Magdelene Laundries, or Southern Cottonfields. Working off a debt, was/is not against God.

The bible also talks about prostitutes, but that doesn't mean God approves of prostitution.
---kathr4453 on 11/27/16


//only conclusion Nicole is that YOU don't know what child abuse is, and what it consists of.//

It seems I'm in GOOD COMPANY because millions of people in the past and today agrees with me not you.

//I have many Catholic friends who went to Catholic school and openly admit how cruel the Nuns could be. Physical, mental and emotional abusive.//

Yet, their OWN PARENTS SENT them BACK to School the NEXT DAY.

AND PAID FOR THE ABUSE! Really?

If the Parents saw any bruises they would have complained.

Even the Parents KNEW their children were either LYING or deserved the RULER PAT!

//run by NUNS,..who were very cruel to young girls. UNTIL THEY WERE FOUND OUT AND CLOSED DOWN.---kathr4453

NAME ONE
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/26/16


Learn ---David8318, so you will stop speaking foolishness in front of 40,000+ daily readers of CN.

OT punishments were things that were valuable to "flesh". Thus, the "flesh" of Jesus, i.e., his body had to die.

Spirits do not die - Ecc 12:7. God is Spirit - Jn 4:24. The Word (the Spirit that was inside of Jesus) cannot die. Jesus is alive now (with the Spirit of Melchisedec in His eternal body) as our High Priest - Heb 3:1, and as our Advocate - 1Jn 2:1
---aservant on 11/26/16




//John 1:1// aservant.

English language uses the indefinite article "a" as in "a chair". Greek however does not use the indefinite article. So when translating into English, translators must use the indef.article as and when grammar and context demand it.

For example, similar sentence structure to John 1:1 is found at Acts 28:6 where Paul miraculously recovers from a snake bite.

The Greek at Acts 28:6 literally says regarding peoples reaction, "they said, him to be god [theon]".

Here is theon, 'god' without the def.article. Greek grammar and context demand the indef.article as theos does at Jo.1:1.

'The Word was a god'...'they thought Paul was a god'.
---David8318 on 11/26/16


"Joseph,

Sir, I didn't ask you about the Father I am asking you about the Son the Lord Jesus. It is a simple yes or no do you believe Jesus is God?"


John read my post, the answer is there. I don't like repeating myself for someone who is Obviously not listening, I done. Apparently you have no answer to my question, so I will leave it alone.
---Josef on 11/26/16


Slavery was never sanctioned by God. The institution of slavery is in Scripture because it is another societal ill that is part of God's history with humanity. God allowed slavery but that doesn't mean he approved it. Man made the choice to enslave and dominate other men.
---Pg1 on 11/26/16


Nicole. It's on the court record of the abuse. Even the name of the NUN, as it was part of the reason he went to court in the first place. Also the place called the Magdeline Sisters, run by NUNS.

And it is apparent that your acting out is due to your own inferiority complex. The problem is, when you act out and embarrass yourself doing so, you are insulting some of the most wonderful people on earth...that is YOUR OWN RACE, by humiliating and rediciling and poking fun at those YOU THINK are less educated that you, and maybe are....making you an ARROGANT SNOB. Your behavior here and probably in front of them is maybe WHY they make fun of you in Alabama. Only YOU have made fun of others here

You should be ashamed.
---kathr4453 on 11/26/16


//The thief did not say "Jehovah" (Lu.23:42)// aservant (11/23/16).

I agree with aservant the thief didn't say "Jehovah", because Jesus was not Jehovah (YHWH). The thief knew Jesus wasn't Jehovah.

So we all agree the thief did not call the impaled Christ "Jehovah", because Jesus is not Jehovah.

Aservant believes the thief said "Jesus, Lord" at Lu.23:42. However, kyrios is not found in Greek MSS at Luke 23:42. Lord is not found in the NIV, ASV & others at Lu.23:42. But even if the thief said Lord, he did not mean Jesus was YHWH. Aservant agrees the thief didn't call Jesus "Jehovah". The thief knew Jesus was the "Son of God"- Lu.22:70.
---David8318 on 11/26/16


//John 1:1// aservant.

The logos is described as godlike at Jo.1:1 not that the logos is "God". Greek grammar and context determines this. The Greek sentence at Jo.1:1,

"kai ho logos en pros ton theon, kai theos en ho logos"

"and the word was with the god, and god was the word"

Note the 2 occurrences of theos. Only one has the def.article attached to it [ton theon], the God, meaning 'the Word was with God'.

The 2nd occurrence is without the def.article, or anarthrous. Thus, an anarthrous noun [theos] occurring before the verb, means the noun describes logos as godlike. It is not identifying the logos as the God it is with. That's nonsensical!

Hence, 'the Word was a god'.
---David8318 on 11/26/16


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The only conclusion Nicole is that YOU don't know what child abuse is, and what it consists of. I have many Catholic friends who went to Catholic school and openly admit how cruel the Nuns could be. Physical, mental and emotional abusive. Why...because they COULD get away with it. Parents didn't question authority, even in public schools. NOW THEY DO.

There were also may homes like the Magdeline Sisters run by NUNS, not priests who were very cruel to young girls. UNTIL THEY WERE FOUND OUT AND CLOSED DOWN.
---kathr4453 on 11/26/16


//you misquoted me.//

Sorry about that.

//to look up abuses of Nuns as well as priests in the RCC.//

Next time your accusation will sound credible if you provided the name at the SAME time.

//OH My, it's all over the Internet.//

So were the Protestant Pastors. Too many to write them all. But at least I gave you 3 Names.

Where is your NAME?

//Nuns also looked the other way when priests molested children making them as guilty as the priests.//

Name and proof they did. Case Name.

//SisterBridgett who beat Evelyn on her face black and blue.---kathr445

It's a movie. They needed drama so they added stuff.

But, if there were abuses you should find the names. So POST THEM!
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/25/16


The thief said "Jesus" . . . ---David8318 on 11/23/16

Lying ---David8318 is at it again. The thief said, "Jesus, Lord, (G2962 = God, Lord, master).
---aservant on 11/25/16


On that day Jesus died, . . . something Trinitarians deny . . . the death of Christ because you teach Jesus is God, who cannot die.

Your trinity dogma is antichrist because it denies the death of Jesus- the fundamental basis for salvation- 1 Cor.15:3. ---David8318 on 11/23/16


True Christians would never deny the death of Jesus' flesh. We were purchased with His Blood - Acts 20:28.

Your conclusions are FALSE! And you start accusing BECAUSE OF YOUR SPIRITUAL IGNORANCE!

The more you talk, you show how little you understand Scripture. You did not read NOTHING IS TOO HARD FOR GOD! Jer 32:17, 27, Mat 19:26
---aservant on 11/25/16


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"However, both Old Testament and New Testament sanction slavery."
How so? I see were service was allowed, as in indentured servitude, and tolerated due to the hardness of man's heart. However what I do not see, is the Father sanction slavery in any way, form, or fashion. Man was never given dominion over man. Slavery is totally the evil concept of man. Hardhearted evil men.
---josef on 11/25/16


Nicole, you misquoted me. Is said to deny abuse in the RCC is like those who deny the Holocaust.

Secondly, thank you for moving me to look up abuses of Nuns as well as priests in the RCC. OH My, it's all over the Internet. Nuns also looked the other way when priests molested children making them as guilty as the priests. Also I gave you a name Nicole...Sister Bridgett who beat Evelyn on her face black and blue. This was also a common practice of Nuns with children PHYSICALLY ABUSING THEM. It is so good today charges can be brought against them at least in Our country for CHILD ABUSE.
---kathr4453 on 11/25/16


//OT explicitly permits multiple wives (and, in some cases, requires them - e.g. the Levirate Law),//

NO, please cite chapter and verse.

//while the New Testament is completely silent on the subject - EXCEPT in the case of bishops.//

No, still one wife. When it comes to Bishops it means not to remarry after your wife dies.

Not one wife as in 'one at a time.'

//However, both Old Testament and New Testament sanction slavery.//

NO IT DOESN'T! You are MAKING UP SCRIPTURE!

The 2nd Book of the Bible speaks about the EVIL of Slavery and How God was going to STOP it!

//If it was OK in NT times but not today, please explain..---StrongAxe

NEVER OKAY WITH GOD! NOT in the OT, NT or TODAY.
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/25/16


//I have authority to receive it again.+ This commandment I received from my Father." (New World Translation) [Jo.10:18]// john9346.

This doesn't teach Jesus is God or the trinity?

Jesus will receive his life again just as he received commandments from his Father [YHWH].

Christ actually died... was dead, out of existence until YHWH brough him back to life- "For to this end Christ died and came to life again..."- Romans 14:9. There would be no reason to "come to life again" if Jesus was already alive!

John9346 understanding of Jo.10:18 show trinitarians believe Jesus is "God" [YHWH] and therefore deny Christ's death and means of salvation.
---David8318 on 11/25/16


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. . . teach Jesus is "God". But the original Greek at Jn 1:1 does not say Jesus is God. ---David8318 on 11/25/16

Lying ---David8318 is at it again. He knows Jn 1:1 says Word is God. He won't recognize that truth, for then he can't deny the 3 are 1 is true, and they are God.

Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created:

Joh 1:1 . . . the Word was God = the Word created = Jesus created = Jesus IS the Word.

Eph 3:9 . . . created all things by Jesus Christ:

Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God . . .
---aservant on 11/25/16


Joseph,

Sir, I didn't ask you about the Father I am asking you about the Son the Lord Jesus. It is a simple yes or no do you believe Jesus is God?

The answer to this question will answer your question to me, "John, again, Without innuendo, how does denying the trinity deny Jesus?"
---john9346 on 11/25/16


david8318 ask, "That's a theological oxymoron. How can Jesus die and yet be "God" [YHWH] at the same time? Jesus is either eternal or he is not."

Sir, listen, the Lord Jesus tells you, "This is why the Father loves me,+ because I surrender my life,*+ so that I may receive it again. No man takes it away from me, but I surrender it of my own initiative. I have authority to surrender it, and I have authority to receive it again.+ This commandment I received from my Father." (New World Translation)

Only God alone can do this...

---john9346 on 11/25/16


Kathr,

Ma'am, Your following statements are to any "Biblical Christian." "Reprehensible." and "Sennister."

This exact mind set is what led to the Holocaust:

Kathr said, "Nicole, the same could be said for slaves too. Many who owned slaves took great care of them, but got NO THANKS. How dare you criticize slavery when it was legal, regardless of whether adults were put in slavery or children. And HOW DARE YOU accuse any white man of abuse."

Kathr said, "there were many wonderful Christian slave owners who treated their slaves well,"
---john9346 on 11/25/16


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"Joseph, To simplify this question for you sir,.."
This post of course was meant to read: The question of the trinity has always been simple enough. What I seem to be having trouble with, is making my answer simple enough for you.
"tell us all do you believe that Jesus is God?"---john9346 on 11/24/16
Yes. As I have always shared on this forum as clearly as I can. I believe Jesus is the only way the Father will ever be physically perceived. Jesus represents the Father in His fullness. When we see Jesus, we will have seen the Father. As Jesus Himself said, "he that has seen me, has seen the Father."

John, again, Without innuendo, how does denying the trinity deny Jesus?
---Josef on 11/25/16


Nicole_Lacey:

You wrote: Multiple wives was allowed, but not TODAY

That is another subject that has been hotly debated here. Note that the Old Testament explicitly permits multiple wives (and, in some cases, requires them - e.g. the Levirate Law), while the New Testament is completely silent on the subject - EXCEPT in the case of bishops.

However, both Old Testament and New Testament sanction slavery. If it was OK in NT times but not today, please explain when God's view on the subject changed.
---StrongAxe on 11/25/16


"Joseph, To simplify this question for you sir,.."
The question of the trinity has always been simply enough. What I seem to be having trouble with, is making my answer simply enough for you.
"tell us all do you believe that Jesus is God?"---john9346 on 11/24/16
Yes. As I have always shared on this forum as clearly as I can. I believe Jesus is the only way the Father will ever be physically perceived. Jesus represents the Father in His fullness. When we see Jesus, we will have seen the Father. As Jesus Himself said, "he that has seen me, has seen the Father."
---Josef on 11/25/16


John didn't make anything up.

//Nicole there were many WONDERFUL CHRISTIAN SLAVER OWNERS who treated their slaves well---kathr4453 on 11/23/16

//Rosanna Rosanna Dana changing the subject again.//

??? Another Google Search. SNL. Why do you watch these shows?

//Hopefully you will continue the conversation here and not just randomly pick another blog subject//

Most likely NOT.

//evil Nuns and Priests..who denied the Nazi Concentration,//

Names?

//Nuns have been guilty of ABUSE.//

Names?

//Priests have abused and molested little boys and girls--Kathr

That is true, but are you in denial about Protestant Pastors? Andrew J. Bierkan, Derrick Mayberry, Craig Allen Harward etc.
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/25/16


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Joseph,

To simplify this question for you sir, tell us all do you believe that Jesus is God?
---john9346 on 11/24/16


//That still doesn't explain why the NT commands slaves to obey their masters. Did God perhaps change his mind?---StrongAxe

That doesn't mean God approves of slavery.

Since you are so confused on the simple matter of Slavery just stay in the Gospels.

Mark 12:15b-17
"..Bring Me a denarius to look at. They brought one. And He *said to them, Whose LIKENESS and INSCRIPTION is this? And they said to Him, Caesars. And Jesus said to them, Jesus said to them, Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's.

Humans are made in the IMAGE of God which means WE BELONG TO GOD not to another man.

So, we are SHOULDN'T have Slaves.

Multiple wives was allowed, but not TODAY
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/24/16


david8318 states, "You deny the death of Jesus because your trinity dogma tells you Jesus is eternal, and didn't die."

But the Lord jesus said, "This is why the Father loves me,+ because I surrender my life,*+ so that I may receive it again. No man takes it away from me, but I surrender it of my own initiative. I have authority to surrender it, and I have authority to receive it again.+ This commandment I received from my Father." (New World Translation)

Only God alone can do this...

---john9346 on 11/24/16


//Trinitarians believe that Jesus, who is God (John 1:1), nevertheless died// Strongaxe.

That's a theological oxymoron. How can Jesus die and yet be "God" [YHWH] at the same time? Jesus is either eternal or he is not. Here we have strongax doctrinal eisegesis.

So when strongaxe says Jesus died, he doesn't really mean Jesus died in the real sense as taught in scripture. Lets see what trinitoms come up with. Usually "only the 3rd person of the trinity died"!

Trinitarians at John 1:1 will erroneously teach Jesus is "God". But the original Greek at Jo.1:1 does not say Jesus is God.

YHWH [Jehovah] sent his Son to die completely for us. To vindicate YHWH name, and save us at the same time.
---David8318 on 11/25/16


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Rosanna Rosanna Dana changing the subject again. Hopefully you will continue the conversation here and not just randomly pick another blog subject and plop down your nonsense, and then look shocked when no one can understand why you did that.

Nicole, to deny the FACT, that there were /are are evil Nuns and Priests is like those who denied the Nazi Concentration camps existed, which is even worse. Nuns have been guilty of ABUSE Nicole. Priests have abused and molested little boys and girls Nicole. Face facts.

Learn to take one sentence at a time, focus on that sentence, and stop looking / acting like you have deminished capacity.
---kathr4453 on 11/25/16


//To say there were WONDERFUL Christian Slave Owners of the Transatlantic Slade Trade is to say there were wonderful Christian NAZI's at Auschwitz, Birkenau, Belzec, Bergen, Belsen, Buchenwald, and Chelmno.---john9346 on 11/24/16

THANK YOU!

And again Thank You John. But that was not the essence of the conversation. No one was comparing the RCC orphanages and the POWER the RCC had in IRELAND over families to the NAZI's except now you have. My point was that the RCC placed these children into SLAVERY, and their families were SLAVES to the RCC. And Nicole has the audacity to call that a kindness.

It's funny how Nicole can totally redirect a conversation to something else and JOHN bites.
---kathr4453 on 11/25/16


Slaves were told to obey their masters in Ephesians 6:5 because the writer was addressing households in which slaves and masters had become christians. The writer was trying to tell them how they should act and serve now that they had become Christisns. Please see Ephesians 6:9. Masters were also addressed.
---Pg1 on 11/25/16


David8318:

You wrote: You deny the death of Jesus because your trinity dogma tells you Jesus is eternal, and didn't die.

You create a strawman, and then burn it down.

Trinitarians believe that Jesus, who is God (John 1:1), nevertheless died on the cross, bore our sins, went to hell to pay for our sins, was raised from the dead, appeared on earth for a short while, and ascended into heaven.


Nicole_Lacey:

That still doesn't explain why the NT commands slaves to obey their masters. Did God perhaps change his mind?
---StrongAxe on 11/24/16


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//To say there were WONDERFUL Christian Slave Owners of the Transatlantic Slade Trade is to say there were wonderful Christian NAZI's at Auschwitz, Birkenau, Belzec, Bergen, Belsen, Buchenwald, and Chelmno.---john9346 on 11/24/16

THANK YOU!

Maybe if they heard it from someone else besides myself they might listen.

I pray they don't believe what they wrote.

Would they be willing to be a Slave as long as their Master was a WONDERFUL Christian who will treated them well?

Nonsense!

NO ONE WANTS TO BE A SLAVE!
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/24/16


Thank you John9346.
---Pg1 on 11/24/16


Sir, you asked me a question and I answered your question..." How?

Without innuendo, how does denying the trinity deny Jesus? The way I understand it, to deny Jesus is to reject Him, and refuse the salvation He's made available to man, and that is not something that I have done, or would ever do. I understand Jesus as the fullness of Father's Spirit, bodily, as I have acknowledged on this forum numerous times. I understand that His name was to be interpreted as "God with us". I believe Jesus is the Word made tangible to man, and represents God [as] manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, [and] received up into glory.
---Josef on 11/24/16


Kathr, did a Nun beat you as a child?

That would explain a lot.

Kathr, the Swiss Guards don't know that you exist.

Catholics doesn't people to listen to a sermon just for a piece of bread.

Everyone knows St. Mother Teresa and her sister because she CARED enough to pick up a man covered with maggots and give him a BATH.

The Government of India LOVES the Catholic Nuns because they teach their children, feed their children, care for baby girls thrown away and all boys NO ONE wants!

Take the Nuns away and Humanity will act like dogs!

Kathr, just help and STOP complaining!

Plenty of hungry children for EVERYONE! GO and DO YOUR PART!
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/24/16


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Why do you ignore this Scripture... MarkEaton.

Yes why do you ignore Acts 4:12 MarkEaton?

"...for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved".

Jesus [or "Yehsua", meaning YHWH is Salvation], is the only one on earth ["under heaven"], who has given a perfect sacrifice for our sins and offer his sacrifice to God- Hebrews 9:13.

Everything Christ does including his sacrificial death is "all to the glory of God the Father"- Phil.2:11.

You deny the death of Jesus because your trinity dogma tells you Jesus is eternal, and didn't die.

There is no salvation on the trinity dogma.
---David8318 on 11/24/16


Slavery, YES, However there is nothing in scripture about powerful institutions (the RCC) forcing its way into and ruling over governments and taking children away from poor families called STEALING. The bible says we're to help the poor, NOT OVERPOWER THEM and force and separate the children away from their families and then abuse them in RCC orphanages. Orphanages are for when parents are dead? Not living. Then use their godless power to emotionally And physically abuse them as is what happened to Evelyn when that horrible Nun Bridget abused the children and was PUBLICALLY called out. There are thousands of Nun Bridget's out there abusing RCC children in the name of God. PLEASE LOCK UP THE NUN BRIDGETS IN THE WORLD. STOP ABUSE IN THE RCC.
---kathr4453 on 11/24/16


StrongAxe, stop making excuses.

That was strategy to get them OUT! From the BEGINNING GOD planned to FREE them from Slavery.

Exodus 3:7-10 The Lord said, I have indeed seen the MISERY of my people in Egypt. I have heard them crying out because of their SLAVE drivers, and I am concerned about their suffering.

So I have COME down to RESCUE them from the HAND of the Egyptians and to bring them up OUT OF THAT LAND INTO A GOOD AND SPACIOUS LAND, FLOWING WITH MILK AND HONEYthe home of the Canaanites, Hittites, Amorites,..and Jebusites. And now the cry of the Israelites has reached me, and I have seen the way the Egyptians are oppressing them. So now, go. I am sending you to Pharaoh to bring my people the Israelites OUT OF EGYPT.
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/24/16


John why are you insinuating that I am in need of salvation? Is it attempt place me in a position beneath where you consider yourself to be? If so, know that I know who I am, and therefore feel no need to defend myself, or my position. Nor do I feel the need to demean you or yours. Jesus is, and will always be consider and professed by me, to be Lord and Savior of all men.
---Josef on 11/23/16

Sir, you asked me a question and I answered your question...

Just remember the words of the Lord Jesus Jn 8:24, 8:58.

praying for you,

John
---john9346 on 11/24/16


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Joseph ask, "John allow me to rephrase. How does my not believing in the trinity doctrine warrant that verse being quoted to me?"

Because the Lord Jesus Christ is God and to deny the "Trinity." is to deny the Deity of Christ.. Jn 8:24 8:58.

To deny the Lord Jesus is God is to worship another "Jesus." and another, "Jesus." can not save you. Only the LordJesus of Holy Scripture who is God can save mankind from their sins which will lead them to Hell Fire.
---john9346 on 11/24/16


strongaxe, Nicole, Kathr,

Ladies and gentleman, Biblical Slavery and the Transatlantic Slave Trade are diametrically opposed to each other they are not the same thing...

To say there were wonderful Christian Slave Owners of the Transatlantic Slade Trade is to say there were wonderful Christian NAZI's at Auschwitz, Birkenau, Belzec, Bergen, Belsen, Buchenwald, and Chelmno.
---john9346 on 11/24/16


Nicole_Lacey:

God didn't tell Pharoah to free Israel - only to give them some time off to worship him. Pharoah refused even that. THAT was his crime, not slavery itself.

If God was so adamant about slavery, why does the New Testament admonish slaves to obey their masters?

Five died because of Hillary's carelessness, and you are outraged. Thousands died because Bush KNOWINGLY lied to America and the world to finish Daddy's little war, and I hear crickets.

Trump has defrauded many contractors. He just SETTLED $25M with his victims from his Trump university fraud. He BOASTED of walking into dressing rooms so he could see naked women, and some of those were underage. How were these "not committed"?
---StrongAxe on 11/23/16


"Joseph, the Lord Jesus is God to deny this is to worship another "Jesus." Another "Jesus." can not save you my friend..."

John why are you insinuating that I am in need of salvation? Is it attempt place me in a position beneath where you consider yourself to be? If so, know that I know who I am, and therefore feel no need to defend myself, or my position. Nor do I feel the need to demean you or yours. Jesus is, and will always be consider and professed by me, to be Lord and Savior of all men.
---Josef on 11/23/16


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Proving you wrong isn't changing the conversation.

I followed your line of thinking and addressed it with FACTS and COMMON SENSE.

//NO ONE WAS TALKING ABOUT CHILDREN THE PARENTS DIDNT WANT.//

You did when you CLAIMED they were stolen

I kept asking for the missing persons/ kidnapping reports?

Only ONE father came back for his kid which PROVES my point.

If no missing person or kidnapping reports the PARENTS DIDN'T WANT THEM!

//And to change the conversation is DISHONEST ON YOUR PART.//

You just forgot and moved on.

//You are a very devious dishonest person Nicole....makes you as crooked as a politician.--kathr4453

Happy Thanksgiving to you as well.
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/23/16


Nicole, I am sick and tired of you changing the conversation to please yourself. NO ONE WAS TALKING ABOUT CHILDREN THE PARENTS DIDNT WANT. And to change the conversation is DISHONEST ON YOUR PART. You are a very devious dishonest person Nicole. You will say anything to save face when YOU are shown you are wrong...even LIE you way out of it.

The conversation was NEVER about children who's parents didn't want them. YOU KNOW THAT. And that's what makes you as crooked as a politician.
---kathr4453 on 11/23/16


Joseph said, "Therefore I am not offended by your insinuation that because I do not believe in the doctrine of the trinity, I am not christian."

"Sir, I'd ask you to seriously think on these words of the Lord Jesus, "I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins. Jn 8:24"---john9346 on 11/22/16

John what does that verse have to do with the doctrine of the trinity?
---josef on 11/23/16


John allow me to rephrase. How does my not believing in the trinity doctrine warrant that verse being quoted to me?
---Josef on 11/23/16


david8318:

You are prooving you cant answer questions outside of the Watchtower Material.

Your citation, "Kurios is the Greek word for 'Lord'. YHWH is the Hebrew name for God and is not the equivalent of kyrios."

This is exactly stated in the Watchtower. Also Professor George Howard a scholar is featured in Watchtower Material.
---john9346 on 11/23/16


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david8318cited, "
Scholar George Howard says: 'Since the Tetragram was still written in the copies of the Greek Bible [the Septuagint- LXX] which made up the Scriptures of the early church, it is reasonable to believe that the NT writers, when quoting from Scripture, preserved the Tetragram within the biblical text'."

Here is what professor Howard said about the Watchtower using his work:

"I disagree with the Jehovah Witness translation that uses Jehovah many times. This goes beyond the evidence. I do not believe Jesus Christ is Jehovah. If the Jehovah Witnesses teach this (I'm not aware of most of their theology) they are off the mark."
---john9346 on 11/23/16


Here is more of what theprofessor said:

"I have been distressed for sometime about the use the Jehovah's Witnesses are making of my publications. My research does not support their denial of the deity of Christ.


"What I tried to show was that there is evidence that the Septuagint Bibles used by the writers of the New Testament contained the Hebrew Tetragrammaton. I argued that it is reasonable to assume that the NT writers, when quoting from the Septuagint, retained the Tetragrammaton in the quotations."


"This does not support the JW's insertion of "Jehovah" in every place they want."
---john9346 on 11/23/16


"Sir, I'd ask you to seriously think on these words of the Lord Jesus, "I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins. Jn 8:24"---john9346 on 11/22/16
John what does that verse have to do with the doctrine of the trinity?
---josef on 11/23/16

Joseph, the Lord Jesus is God to deny this is to worship another "Jesus." Another "Jesus." can not save you my friend...
---john9346 on 11/23/16


//Slavery is SANCTIONED in the bible. Please explain how and when it is wrong.//

The 2nd BOOK called EXODUS!
God KILLED all the Egyptian's FIRST born BECAUSE THEY WOULDN'T FREE THE SLAVES!

//WHO died because someone hacked Hillary's emails? Be specific.//

Last count I believe 5 Afghans/Iraqis men working uncover for us.

They were discovered through HER E-MAILS and killed by Al Qaeda.

//W. kept a personal email server.//

IN THE WHITE HOUSE, NOT in his Texas home's closet!

Clinton had a personal server at the State Department also. That wasn't good enough for her.

//(Don't pull the "not convicted" card either---StrongAxe

NO, I'll pull the 'crime NOT committed' card.
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/23/16


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Kathr, I said to thank the NUNS for caring for all the children NO ONE WANTED including their own parents.

You were upset because they didn't bury them properly.

That's why I get upset with you Kathr, you are not truthful at times.

It ISN'T legal for Nuns to kidnap children! NEVER HAS BEEN!

IT was LEGAL TO HAVE SLAVES!

Just admit you used a WRONG analogy.

//there were many wonderful Christian slave owners//

That's an oxymoron. Like when husbands BEAT their wives and claim it's because they LOVE them.

//even giving many land after their freedom.--kathr4453

Forced freedom and Forced 40 acres and a mule law.

Am I nice because I paid for the pizza I ordered?
No! It's the law!
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/23/16


Commentary is not inspired by GOD. ---Samuelbb7 on 11/22/16

All TRUTHFUL commentaries MUST BE inspired by God. Only He has the Truth. Only Jesus IS the Truth. Men do not have the truth. This man thinks this is truth. That man thinks that is truth. Both are wrong. Genuine (God's) truth must be revealed to men. Many examples of men lacking truth are seen daily here in CN.

Jn 6:68 Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? THOU hast the words of eternal life.
---aservant on 11/23/16


Nicole_Lacey:

Slavery is SANCTIONED in the bible. Please explain how and when it is wrong.

WHO died because someone hacked Hillary's emails? Be specific.

THOUSANDS of Americans and Iraqis died because W. started a war based on WMD he KNEW did not exist. W. kept a personal email server. Should he be prosecuted too?

You want Trump to enforce existing laws. Like using your own charities' money to pay your debts? Or knowingly contracting services you don't intend to pay for? Or sexual assault? Trump has done all of these. Will he jail himself! Unlikely.

(Don't pull the "not convicted" card either because Trump wasn't convicted - Hillary wasn't convicted of any of these either).
---StrongAxe on 11/23/16


Yes Nicole, the same as you asking people to thank the RCC nuns and priests who abused children. I said it goes both ways. Just as there were good nuns and priests who took children out of homes against the parents will, there were also good slave owners who bought slaves THAT WAS LEGAL AT THAT TIME. IT WAS legal for children to be taken from single fathers in Ireland AGAINST THEIR WILL. There were also EVIL NUNS and PRIESTS as well as EVIL slave owners. Someone had to take them....since government laws approved these practices. The fact I'd Nicole there were many wonderful Christian slave owners who treated their slaves well, even giving many land after their freedom.
---kathr4453 on 11/23/16


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StrongAxe please read ALL of Kathr's post.

She ASKED me to THANK the White Men for Slavery

//Nicole, Many who owned slaves took GREAT CARE OF THEM, but got NO THANKS. How dare you CRITICIZE SLAVERY when it was legal,..And HOW DARE YOU ACCUSE any white man of ABUSE.---kathr4453 on 11/22/16

StrongAxe, do you believe the Slave Owner were abusive to Slaves or not?

//Today we own pets (property).//

Black people are NOT PETS.

Man CAN'T LEGALIZES A WRONG!

//One must understand the circumstances.---StrongAxe on 11/22/16

Today an Afghan Prince CAN rape as many boys as he pleases.

It's legal in his country.

IT'S STILL WRONG!

Maybe since the boys are abused you can RELATE better.
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/22/16


there isn't a BIBLE called: GENAVA BIBLE TRANSLATION NOTES . . . Jesus didn't say those words. NO ADDING WORDS!. .

1st, I will answer however I please. You dictate nothing to me.

2nd, you won't interpret Scripture with reason, and then you won't hear Commentaries who have a long history of acceptance by God (He can make them go away), yet you readily receive as truth, the words in the documents of the RCC, which ARE NOT THE WORDS OF JESUS!

To me, you are hypocritical, foolish, and are worthy of being ignored.
---aservant on 11/22/16


Nicole_Lacey:

You wrote: HOW DARE YOU!

Stating an unpleasant fact is not being offensive. Many slave owners treated slaves abominably, but some treated them kindly. It's possible to treat someone as property, but be nice to them. Today we own pets (property). Some pet owners are cruel to pets, but most are kind.

Man CAN'T LEGALIZES A WRONG!

Is slavery reprehensible? Yes. But the fact that both OT and NT sanction it makes it a more nuanced issue. One must understand the circumstances. For example, prison inmq53w are told what to do, where to go, sleep, and eat, and when, have few freedoms. How is this different from slavery? Yet it is legal and just. Dragging people from their homes in chains is not.
---StrongAxe on 11/22/16


Nicole,

Here is the definition of Sola Scriptura nothing to do with at youstate:


The doctrine of Sola Scriptura teaches that the "Scriptures." are the "Final Authority." for faith and practice for the Christian. In other words, all traditions, thoughts, and opinions must come in to "Total Subjection." to the "Scriptures."
"
---john9346 on 11/22/16


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//Jesus was reclining at the table..not yet broken and His blood had not yet shed.//

It doesn't matter because Jesus wasn't reclining when he spoke in John 6 as well.

Jesus starts to speak about Moses and the manna which to people did EAT.

He moves to His Body and Blood as TRUE FOOD.

So, if the Israelites ate REAL FOOD, it means Moses CAN NOT TOP Jesus.

//were either metaphor or symbolic, but not yet reality.//

WISHFUL THINKING. Jesus is CLEAR

You can't go backwards. OT ATE Bread from Heaven and Jesus in the NT said He is the TRUE Bread from Heaven.

//the Apostles knew that the words of Jesus were symbolic.---Mark_Eaton

NOPE John 6:66 They wouldn't have LEFT Jesus OVER symbolic words
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/22/16


//Many who owned slaves took great care of them, but got NO THANKS.//

HOW DARE YOU! My Ancestors were sold with DOCUMENTS as proof of a sell as a horse!

No missing reports or kidnapping with those children you claim were stolen.

People are kidnapped and Property are stolen.

UNDERSTAND the difference?

Your have a SICK MIND.

//you criticize slavery when it was legal,//

So is ABORTION. I am CRITICIZING IT ALL DAY LONG.

Man CAN'T LEGALIZES A WRONG!

//So why didn't the slaves report any abuses or kidnappings to their home governments? Waiting for your answer.---kathr4453

CIVIL WAR 1861 to 1865

600,000+ Americans died because of Slavery.

That's ABRAHAM's answer to you.
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/22/16


In other words Jesus didn't say those words.
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/21/16

What Jesus did say is "take eat this is my body which is broken for you" and "this is my blood which is shed for you".

However, Jesus was reclining at the table with them and His body had not yet broken and His blood had not yet shed.

The words of Jesus at that time were either metaphor or symbolic, but not yet reality.

I am certain that the Apostles knew that the words of Jesus were symbolic at that time.

I am also certain that after Jesus death, they also knew they were prophetic.

But were they depicting reality? Sorry, but no. Especially when Jesus said "do this in remembrance of Me".
---Mark_Eaton on 11/22/16


A commentary is not adding words. It is saying what a person thinks the words mean. Also sometimes definitions background.

Commentary is not inspired by GOD. It does not take the place of scripture. Good Commentaries never say the Bible is wrong and does not mean what it says to support a false doctrine.

GOD sent a prophet in the Old Testament the message that Jesus was the Corner Stone on which the church would be built. But you say the Prophet and Peter are wrong. That is not commentary. That is denying the Bible is the final word in all matters of faith.
---Samuelbb7 on 11/22/16


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//Nicole states, "Sola Scriptura ALSO means NO commentary as well."
No ma'am not what it means...---john9346

Yes it does.

What part of 'ONLY' do you not understand?

'ONLY Scripture'

there isn't a BIBLE called: GENAVA BIBLE TRANSLATION NOTES
yet the bread and the wine are changed, not in nature but in quality, for . . . they become tokens of the body and blood of Christ . . .

(the words 'nature', 'quality' 'changed' or 'tokens' is in John chapter)

//Matthew Henry's Commentary on the Whole Bible---aservant on 11/21/16

Isn't a Bible as well

The words 'signified' or 'represented'.

In other words Jesus didn't say those words.

NO ADDING WORDS!
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/21/16


Nicole, the same could be said for slaves too. Many who owned slaves took great care of them, but got NO THANKS. How dare you criticize slavery when it was legal, regardless of whether adults were put in slavery or children. And HOW DARE YOU accuse any white man of abuse.

You see Nicole, that sort of thinking can be played both ways. So why didn't the slaves report any abuses or kidnappings to their home governments? Waiting for your answer.
---kathr4453 on 11/22/16


//These children are now in their 60's or there.--kathr4453

Okay so we KNOW they left the so called work camps at some point.

Why didn't any of those children report the Nuns to the UK authorities?

Or do you think they did report the abuses, but the UK authorities DIDN'T CARE?

The Nuns fed them, bathe them, clothed them, and made sure they didn't die from the elements.

The Nuns worked all day, very little sleep and NO money for their work, but instead of a 'THANK YOU' you criticized them.

BTW, you do know you can't HIDE hundreds of children in a building.

The UK Authorities KNEW about their living conditions and DIDN'T CARE to CLOSE THEM DOWN.
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/21/16


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