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Does God Let Satan Have Way

Job 1:11-12 and Job 2:5-6, Satan asks God to stretch out his hand against Job, and Luke 22:31, Jesus said to Peter, "Satan has asked to sift you like wheat." Why does God go along with Satan so much? How come THE LORD goes along with the requests of the Devil so often?

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Thank you for defending me aservant.---Nicole_Lacey on 2/13/17

It was more about exposing ---kathr4453 as a liar, as a hypocrite, and a fake Christian. Father requires that we be doers of good, that we tell the truth, and not fancy ourselves as teachers until God ordains us as teachers. This racist, prideful woman disagrees with direct statements from God. She trusts her own mind over God's Word.

Since there are over 40,000 daily visitors to CN, I must counter her lies with Scripture, thus the Bible proves her to not be Father's teacher, and it is folly to accept her analysis of anything Holy, like Scripture.
---aservant on 2/13/17


Aservant, I completely agree with everything you quoted from Scripture. Sometimes people read a passage and completely ignore what it says.
God is Sovereign, and many do not know what it really means. Just think, if He was not Sovereign that would mean that Satan can do what he wants and nothing in Scripture would happen that God already knows will happen because He ordained it to happen. They have no faith that God is in control of all things. They believe that Satan is on his own. But he only does what God allows him to do. No more no less. He will do what God told us he will do because it is all in God's eternal plan.
---Luke on 2/13/17


You accuse God of duplicity.

Father is God of Heaven AND Hell. Father directs Son AND Satan. Both answer to Him.


Satan is putting voice to his own thoughts and actions.

Really, who first mentioned Job's name, placing the thought of Job in Satan's mind? Father.

Who removed the hedge? Father. Whose fire was used to destroy? Father's.


---kathr4453 on 2/11/17


Father assisted in Job's destruction. Satan failed to destruct Job because of Father's hedge.
---aservant on 2/13/17


What is meat? Denying flesh and picking up a cross to following Jesus?
---mike4879 on 2/13/17


Thank you for defending me aservant.

But you and Mark have to remember that some are still babies in Christ drinking milk.

You can offer them meat, but it will only choke them.

Let them drink milk until God teaches them to chew and swallow without choking.

Pride is very hard to swallow especially if you don't chew on it first.
---Nicole_Lacey on 2/13/17




---kathr4453 on 2/10/17

I have posted much validation of your many lies in this forum.

Until you repent of your MANY, MANY lies, and publicly apologize to Nicole for your vicious, unChristian attacks on her, I will not respond to any of your questions, which are an amateur's attempt to deflect attention away from your lies.

Jn 8:47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

Jn 10:26 But ye believe not (my words), because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
---aservant on 2/13/17


So you are saying the same word translated into "tempted" may also be translated into "tested".
---mike4879 on 2/12/17


God TESTS, and Satan TEMPTS.

God does not tempt us to sin.
Testing us is not tempting us to sin.
Testing our faith is like your Math teacher testing what you have been taught. God will test your faith. How do you know your faith is even genuine unless it's been tested.
---kathr4453 on 2/11/17


Genesis 22:1, most versions say test.

Test , try, prove

God was not tempting Abraham to sin....I think that is pretty clear. And James uses it as God proving Abrahams faith as genuine faith. Faith shows obedience to Gods word. AKA: Obedience of faith. Romans 16: 25-27
---kathr4453 on 2/11/17


Here's one to study when it comes to words.2 Samuel 13:4 clearly says LOVE, however when you read the text, and what happened and the trickery etc, it was anything but love. It was out and out rape. And the aftermath of that family because of this thing said to be LOVE, was actually EVIL.

So we need to be careful and not just see a word, without further study. Rape people is not love. He was full of lust, but lust is not love either. Many times the bible will use the same word, but it may have many meanings. And our English may only have one word, where the original may have as many as 15 different words with various meanings.

Another Example: Those who "wait" upon the Lord, does not mean we are Gods butlers.
---kathr4453 on 2/11/17




Some times there is a thin line between tempting and testing.

GOD did tempt ABRAHAM. Genesis 22:1 (King James version)
---mike4879 on 2/11/17


What is wrong scripture?

"No temptation will befall you except that which is common to man."

Is this wrong scripture? I did not know there was wrong scripture. I thought it was all to be good.
---mike4879 on 2/11/17


Job 2:3 Well, have you noticed my servant Job? the Lord asked. He is the finest man in all the eartha good man who fears God and turns away from all evil. And he has kept his faith in me despite the fact that you persuaded me to let you harm him without any cause.

Satan persuaded God to let Satan test him, to see if Satan could get Job to curse God. Job never once cursed God.

Many today when going through trials and testing don't understand it and do curse God or walk away or become disalusioned, I BELIEVE because of faulty teaching. Those ministering to someone going through trials giving the wrong scriptures and not James 1 could cause irreparable damage to a new baby Christian. We are instructed to COUNT IT ALL JOY.
---kathr4453 on 2/11/17


God never destroyed Job and Satan did not either. Satan asked if he could try Job. God gave Satan that permission, but also set limits. God only took away the hedge. God already knew Jobs heart that Job was a just man. Job was SAVED. Saved people get tried. Tried for the purpose of BEING PERFECTED AND ENTIRE LACKING NOTHING. James 1 tells us exactly what we are tried and tested for. And it it not used to DESTROY us but make us OVERCOMERS...ABLE TO ENDURE....

Sometimes those trials are caused by "our" own poor choices. Not choices we can say ..the devil made me do it.

Get it right self proclaimed teacher.

Satan testing Jesus was not God trying to destroy Jesus either. Jesus nor Job were destroyed.
---kathr4453 on 2/11/17


Exodus 32 show the word "evil and judgement " Being interchangeable when it comes directly from God as HIS judgement. God did not say he would use Satan to do evil to Israel for making a golden calf. Moses reminds God of His covenant He made with Abraham, and then asks God to repent of the EVIL God was going to bring on them. And finishes saying God repented of the EVIL HE was going to do. That EVIL was Gods Judgement and no where did God say he needed Satan to execute.

So we need to be careful here. Just because the word "evil" is stated , it said God was going to consume them..re bring evil upon them. God is a consuming fire.

God is NOT responsible for the evil Satan does in this present EVIL WORLD.
---kathr4453 on 2/11/17


Satan is a created, fallen being, used by Father to commit evils, for the Father's own purposes. Satan is putting voice to the thoughts put into his mind by Father.
---aservant on 2/8/17

Aservant. Your interpretation here is vile. You accuse God of duplicity. Satan is putting voice to his own thoughts and actions. Hopefully you are not insinuating Satan is an empty vessel filled with Gods evil dark side acting as Gods puppet. If I have a puppet in my hand and use that hand to pick up a gun and murder someone, you say GOD indirectly did that? God did that through his puppet? God did not try to tempt Jesus to sin by using Satan to tempt Jesus. Satan is capable of his own mayhem. James 1 calls your doctrine a lie .
---kathr4453 on 2/11/17


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Let the the WORD of God ring true here, and anyone who says different a LIAR. This is all I asked for Mark_Eaton.....nothing more.

James 1: 12 Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.

13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: NEITHER DOES HE USE SATAN TO TEMPT ANY MAN EITHER.

14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.


15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
---kathr4453 on 2/11/17


Original sin was found in Lucifer, not God. He had said, "I will ascend above the tops of the clouds, I will make myself like the Most High" (Isaiah 14:14). This envy led to open rebellion. God saw fit to remove this sore spot from heaven, so Lucifer and his followersabout one-third of the angels (see Revelation 12:3, 4)were cast out of heaven into this world. It was this powerful being who tempted Christ in the wilderness.

Aservant keeps making that same statement, yet has no scripture to back it up. And using the verses he does , STILL says nothing about God putting evil ideas in satan's head to do Gods evil work. Gods judgements upon sin are not evil. God did not use Satan to destroy Sodom and Gemmorah.
---kathr4453 on 2/11/17


Satan is a created, fallen being, used by Father to commit evils, for the Father's own purposes. Satan is putting voice to the thoughts put into his mind by Father.
---aservant on 2/8/17

I've never heard of anything so vile in my life.---kathr4453 on 2/9/17


Father was responsible for destroying Job. Satan was His tool.

Job 1:16 . . . The fire of God is fallen from heaven . . .

Satan used "GOD'S FIRE!!

Job 2:3 . . . thou movedst me against him, to destroy him without cause.

Other BASIC things that YOU do not know, "instructor".
---aservant on 2/10/17


Aservant tells Christians if they are sick, GOD is using Satan to punish them, until they repent.---kathr4453 on 2/10/17

Liar.

You often take your faulty anaysis of what I say and try to turn it into my statement. Show where I said that. ONLY Father curses and punishes. Satan is a tool.


i know people who have taken their own life . . . such horrible statements made by those who know NOTHING about the Christian life

You know little about Father. HE ALONE controls life and death! He numbers our days.

Self-murder is still murder, Satan's domain - Jn 8:44.

More BASIC things that YOU do not know, "instructor".
---aservant on 2/10/17


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God bless and keep you in His unfailing LOVE when YOU go through trials and testing.

2 Corinthians 1:3-7 What a wonderful God we have the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the source of every mercy, and the one who so wonderfully comforts and strengthens us in our hardships and trials. And why does he do this? So that when others are troubled, needing our sympathy and encouragement, we can pass on to them this same help and comfort God has given us. You can be sure that the more we undergo sufferings for Christ, the more he will shower us with his comfort and encouragement. ----------to show you from our personal experience how God will tenderly comfort you when you undergo these same sufferings. He will give you the strength to endure.
---kathr4453 on 2/10/17


You refuse to listen to what I AM SAYING.
---kathr4453 on 2/10/17

I listened when you made the statement about changing the tone of our discussions. My expectation was that you would alter HOW you say things, not what you say.

I rarely question what you say. We have had disagreements because my beliefs center more on the importance of knowing the Father and less on preaching "Christ and Him crucified".

But how you say things is as important as what you say. Remember, you are preaching to the choir. You are not debating haters of God, but lovers of God. Men and women who want to discuss our common faith.

If you want to debate people who hate God, I encourage you to blog about God on a college forum.
---Mark_Eaton on 2/11/17


Mark_Eaton, I don't believe you went back to the beginning to read the post of this discussion from the beginning. You only react when someone else screams foul, before you have really searched out the truth. Again, Aservant is insisting because the Holy Spirit led Jesus into the Wilderness, that the Holy Spirit, and God the Father and Satan were ALL beating Jesus up.

You refuse to listen to what I AM SAYING. And Aservant only posted HALF my original statement, again twisting out of context. And all you think to do is lecture me?

You don't have to like me to defend the truth. Just stand for the truth.... WHY won't you defend the truth of the Gospel? Why change the subject.
---kathr4453 on 2/10/17


Aservant, we will just have to agree to disagree. When we are BORN AGAIN of the Spirit, that is EXACTLY when we go through the fellowship of His Sufferings. We are also tried and tested. So right after The Holy Spirit came on Jesus when John Baptized Him, He WAS driven into the wilderness and that is when Satan Tempted Jesus. God did not tempt Jesus to sin. James 1 also clarify this. Argue all you want, call me all the names you want, I don't care. You don't listen either. GOD ALLOWED Jesus to be tested for the purpose to succor US when we are tested. Hebrews makes this clear. The captain of our faith was made PERFECT through suffering. He learned obedience through the things He suffered. It was not EVIL, but for our GOOD.
---kathr4453 on 2/10/17


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Mark_E, I also spoke kindly to you. I asked you to defend the TRUTH of scripture. I didn't ask you to defend me or not defend me, because this was NEVER about me until you made it so. So let's get back to SCRIPTURE. Is God the author of confusion? NO! Is God the Father of LIES? NO! Does God tempt anyone to sin, even saying God uses Satan for the purpose of getting you to SIN? NO! Will God allow Satan to try and test you so that GODS GLORY can be seen and revealed through us....YES.

Let's put down all the facts. Hopefully Aservant isn't saying God was punishing Jesus and using Satan to do it?

Aservant, please disclose your affiliation? Do you believe in the Deity of Christ? Or do you believe Jesus is Satan's brother?
---kathr4453 on 2/10/17


Why does Satan attack spirit filled Christians? Well, because that Spirit in us is the Spirit of God. Not only does Satan hate God, he hates those who are Born of God. His whole purpose is to destroy our faith. But we HAVE THE VICTORY THROUGH JESUS CHRIST.

Tell the WHOLE STORY Aservant. What you are posting has no meaning for edification if you don't show its purpose, that we are more than conquers through Jesus Christ. We are OVERCOMERS..that is we have overcome THE EVIL ONE.

Half stories are half truths and do no one any good. But over these past weeks, THIS is exactly WHAT Aservant has been cursing me over.....the WHOLE TRUTH.
---kathr4453 on 2/10/17


There is not one single covenant IN SCRIPTURES, that says God only died for a select few.---kathr4453 on 2/8/17

Mat 1:21 . . . thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

Jn 6:44 (ERV) . . . Anyone the Father does not bring to me cannot come to me.

Rom 8:9 (ERV) . . . whoever does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to Christ.

Other BASIC things that YOU do not know, "instructor".
---aservant on 2/10/17


Satan is a created, fallen being, used by Father to commit evils, for the Father's own purposes. Satan is putting voice to the thoughts put into his mind by Father.
---aservant on 2/8/17

This is like saying the Father and Satan are ONE... Compared to| Jesus is the Word of God, the very essence of the thoughts of God are in Jesus Christ. To put Satan on that exact same level as Jesus and God is blasphemy. This is what I hear Aservant saying.

This is why I ask if Aservant is Mormon. They have a strange understanding of God Jesus and Satan being Jesus twin brother. Just saying.....Aservant has made some strange comments on line here.
---kathr4454 on 2/10/17


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Aservant dug into the sespool to sling mud . . . Personal attacks used to silence someone is FROM SATAN. ---kathr4453 on 2/10/17

Always lying.

Regulars in CN have witnessed your hatred against Nicole. You can't deny anything that I said that you did to her. How can you LOVE your enemies, when you've shown a lack of Love to God, to Nicole, to anyone who disagrees with you?

This is a public forum. Don't you see? NO ONE HAS COME TO YOUR DEFENCE!!!

Tit 1:13 . . . Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith

1Tim 5:20 Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.

I am OBEYING Father, rebuking you sharply.
---aservant on 2/10/17


Aservant, don't be so arrogant that you think others don't know this or that. I KNOW what trials and testings are. You do not.---kathr4453 on 2/10/17

BLIND!

You tell me that I am arrogant for presuming what others know or don't know.

Yet, you immediately tell me what I don't know. Hypocrisy!!

PRACTICE what you preach.

BTW, you are under Law because you do not have the Spirit indwelling. Thus, you are not a REAL Christian - Rom 8:9. Better ask Father to change you.

Devils believe, Satan quotes Scripture, but they are NOT Christian. You believe and quote Scripture, but that does not make you a REAL Christian.
---aservant on 2/10/17


THIS is what you need to exalt and address and stand for.
---kathr4453 on 2/10/17

I spoke kindly to you and I exhorted you to do the right thing and be a peacemaker. Yet you took it as an attack on yourself. I do not know what to say.

One of my character defects is arrogance and I can be condescending at times. Perhaps I have been to you.

I will be more direct, then.

James says "Show me your works and I will show you my faith". Talk is cheap but real faith takes work.

Tell me how you deny yourself, daily. Show me your love.

I do not see it, here. I see a woman who rebukes everyone and loves few.
---Mark_Eaton on 2/10/17


Are you saying God brought evil and created that evil against HIs own Son and indirectly used Satan?---kathr4453 on 2/1/17

YES!! It was the HOLy Spirit that took Jesus to the desert!!

Mat 4:1 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.

Another BASIC thing that YOU do not know, "instructor".
---aservant on 2/10/17


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It is all typical church on earth family arguments to me. They will know we are Christians BY OUR LOVE. Or will they?
---mike4879 on 2/10/17


Mark_Eaton, when one has been exercised by James 1, and can openly testify to Gods faithfulness through those trials, that it has nothing to do with being cursed, but being blessed... IS NOT PRIDE, it's being a WITNESS TO THE VERY TRUTH OF SCRIPTURE. So I say, how dare you make such a statement to anyone who testifies to the truth God has shown and proved and call that person prideful. It's 2nd Corinthians 1:3-7. Why do you always seem to undermine the gospel. In some form or fashion, yes Mark_E you do that. Is it because you have never experienced this? If not, then don't trash those who have. Your comment was actually PRIDE.
---kathr4453 on 2/10/17


Mark_Eaton, I've had a moment to think about something, remembering something you said....concerning you not believing Jesus took our wrath, our curse.....you said you don't believe He did...correct? So maybe you too believe Christians are still under the curse of the Law??? Hummm. So I can see why you didn't defend this area.

So are you the same Mark_Eaton who said he was an EXPERT on the doctrine of being Born Again? So your EXPERTness on the New Birth is that the New Born Christian is still under the curse of the Law?

Since you have been silent in this discussion between Aservant and me on this issue, which you absolutely have read.....and did not defend the truth, because it's not truth to you either. hummm ok got it.
---kathr4453 on 2/10/17


Mark_Eaton, are you saying a person does not have the right to defend themself or defend the scriptures. I did not make it personal UNTIL Aservant attacked me and falsely accused me of saying Gods word was vile. Misrepresenting another is what is evil and should be addressed.

Christianity is not becoming a passive peace love dove new age hairy chrisna ( sp).

And because I stood up for TRUTH, see, Aservant dug into the sespool to sling mud. THATS what we should be past. Personal attacks used to silence someone is FROM SATAN.



---kathr4453 on 2/10/17


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So here is the bottom line.....Aservant tells Christians if they are sick, GOD is using Satan to punish them, until they repent. That He is visiting the plagues of Egypt on them. You know, I will tell you, i know people who have taken their own life because of such horrible statements made by those who know NOTHING about the Christian life under GRACE.

Aservant could not win his position here, so what did he lower himself to do.......which does not win TRUTH.....it only causes Aservant to sin AGAIN against others out of being thinned skinned.

Cursing me Aservant STILL will not win you the right to teach false doctrine. You haven't hurt me Aservant..you just hurt yourself.
---kathr4453 on 2/10/17


As ambassadors for Christ we do not misrepresent Jesus Christ. Someone just like Aservant was directly the cause of a very dear and lovely Christian who had a fatal disease who took her own life because of that condemnation under aservants false teaching. There is therefore NO CONDEMNATION to those wo are in Christ Jesus. And Mark_Eaton, THIS is what you need to exalt and address and stand for. Even if it means taking your num-chucks to the knees of those who falsely represent the truth. Puck up that jawbone of an ass and start swinging. Pull out that sling shot, and thump Goliath right between the eyes if necessary. And NEVER APOLOGIZE for standing up for the truth, no matter how the enemy chooses to attack to shut you down.
---kathr4453 on 2/10/17


Let's not forget we are in Gods ARMY. And not all are assigned to frying chicken for Wednesday night Bingo. Some have actually been trained and called to the front lines, right in the face of death. If you know nothing about this, and only know how to peel potatoes, that is FINE! but don't criticize those who were not called to peel potatoes.

In the end GOD will be the judge of His servants....not you Mark_Eaton, or Aservant . There are rules of engagement. And it is never used to kill your own.

Aservant isn't sharing the LOVE OF GOD. So Mark_Eaton, address THAT?
---kathr4453 on 2/10/17


maybe we should all follow that mindset, and see if we can change the tone of many of our posts. And ignore those who want to tear down rather than build up.
---kathr4453 on 2/1/17


What a HYPOCRITE!! NO ONE has persecuted, name called, been more racist, or been more diliberately cruel, while thinking she is BETTER (Brand Name) towards Nicole, than have YOU!! And now you want to take the High Road, WITHOUT PUBLICLY apologizing to her, since you spent HOURS in CN publicly, verbally victimizing, and verbally assaulting her. You are a vicious, heinous, non-Christian imposter, who responds wickedly when disagreed with, even when you, yourself are BLATANTLY disagreeing with Father's Word!
---aservant on 2/9/17


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Do not the scriptures tell us that THE LORD HARDENED THE HEART of Pharaoh? (Exodus 9:12, 10:1, 10:20, 10:27, 11:10, 14:8, and Joshua 11:20)

Is this idea not repeated in John 12:40?

Does not God harden hearts?

"I have hardened his heart and the hearts of his officials."

He has blinded their eyes and hardened their hearts.
---mike4879 on 2/10/17


I KNOW what trials and testings are. You do not... You have head knowledge.
---kathr4453 on 2/9/17

I thought we were going to change the tone of our discussions?

Every time we lash out at others in anger, we are giving into our flesh or the devil. Righteous indignation it is not. We all know this, the Spirit informs us but we disregard His warning. Also, Satan is sly and cunning. He will use what we think about ourselves against us.

Our pride at OUR own knowledge of God and the Bible is a weakness, not strength.

I know this from personal experience. It is painful to realize too late that my actions were wrong.
---Mark_Eaton on 2/10/17


Aservant! Satan asking God is not God asking and giving Satan ideas. Satan cannot touch the RIGHTEOUS without Gods permission, and Satan was given a limit. God already knew Job would have victory, because God knew Jobs heart. Again Satan ASKED to sift Peter. Was that EVIL that God wanted to use against Peter? No. Satan tested Jesus in the wilderness. Are you saying God brought evil and created that evil against HIs own Son and indirectly used Satan? When WE go through that same testing.....And if we sin, it's because of SIN IN OUR OWN HEART, God has nothing to do with it...directly or indirectly. Your arguing is not indirectly caused by God. And God is not indirectly responsible for your misapplication of scripture... YOU ARE.
---kathr4453 on 2/9/17


kathr4453 2/9/17 did not realize that Satan has to have God's approval before he can act out his evil. This need to get approval means that God is responsible for the evil.//////Aservant

Wow, how you twist things Aservant.
God allowing something where the end result is not evil, but maturity and sanctification for our own good, and reward and blessing in the end as we see Job received, and WE through it gain the riches that are in Christ Jesus......where Jesus, Gods own Son was not spared suffering, as Peter and Job both said...I SHALL COME FORTH AS GOLD.. Is the greatest blessing of all....IS NOT EVIL.

But when Satan attacks on his own, as we see, there is no sanctification that comes through that.
---kathr4453 on 2/9/17


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Aservant, don't be so arrogant that you think others don't know this or that. I KNOW what trials and testings are. You do not. You can't speak of something you know nothing of personally. Like CS Lewis writing a book on marriage, and had never married...was totally obvious to those who were married. You have head knowledge. You are taught we are still under the curse of the LAW, why...because YOU PERSONALLY know nothing about GRACE or living under GRACE. If you did, God would PERSONSONALLY teach you we are not under the Law of Moses or those curses. You are all religion..... and it shows.

Good night Aservant.
---kathr4453 on 2/9/17


Satan ASKS God to stretch out his hand against Job, and Luke 22:31, Jesus said to Peter, "Satan has ASKED to sift you like wheat.

It seems the resident "instructor" ---kathr4453 2/9/17 did not realize that Satan has to have God's approval before he can act out his evil. This need to get approval means that God is responsible for the evil.

So BEWARE of being instructed by one who does not understand many BASIC Christian tenents.
---aservant on 2/9/17


Heavenly Father, I love your word and do not say it is vile and sick. I do say ones interpretation of your Word is vile and sick. I also know Lord we must take ALL scripture in this area and hold it all up, not just selected verses. My prayer Lord is that one will see the truth and learn how to rightly divide the word of truth. I know your word says out of OUR HEART which is also our mind comes evil. But to say that evil first comes from you to Satan to man is a vile interpretation of your word.

Also in the end when the WRATH OF GOD comes on the disobedient, it will not come through Satan. It will come directly from You. Just as your wrath came upon Egypt before the Exodus.
---kathr4453 on 2/9/17


Continued Lord, that to use scripture as Aservant does out of context, even trying to shame me for my understanding of you is satanic. And I know This did not come from you to Satan to Aservant, but it came directly from Aservant out of aservants heart. I forgive Aservant because I know he does not know you or the GRACE in which we stand.

I know we have FREE WILL/ Free choice, and this is the bottom line to this disagreement. We are not robots, nor is Satan or those who fell wilt him.....they CHOSE by their own free will.

PLease have mercy on Aservant for his false teaching and show him through whatever testing you choose, to make him see the truth.

In JESUS name AMEN
---kathr4453 on 2/9/17


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The Lord said to Abraham, I will bless those who bless you, and curse those who curse you. NOW When Jospeh was in Egypt, sold into slavery by his brothers, it was out of their envy. God already prophecied to Joseph in a dream the outcome of an ordeal he had no clue would take place and end the way it did. Did God use Satan to accomplish this...NO.....sin was in the hearts of his brothers. The sin of envy. Now through Joseph and because that Pharoah blessed Joseph, God blessed Egypt. BUT after 400 years an EVIL king arose in Egypt and abused Israel, and God KEPT His promise. He gave that Pharoah several chances to repent, and then GOD cursed That Pharoah. Satan had NOTHING to do with that. We need to RIGHTLY divide the word of truth.
---kathr4453 on 2/9/17


In conclusion, Aservant wants to take words and curses spoken to ISRAEL, and put that off on YOU TODAY, and say God is using Satan to do that to you. Firstly, we are not under the Law of Moses, aservants first mistake, and secondly, God does not need to use Satan to punish anyone.

Even in Hebrews 12, where it says God chastens us for our good. Again He is not using Satan. When you discipline your children....does that come from Satan? Good heavens. Satan and his attacks are bad enough, but to say God is behind those......is outrageous.

During Passover, the blood on the doorpost...God passed over....Satan didn't Passover.
---kathr4453 on 2/9/17


Precious Father, it seems ---kathr4453 2/9/17 doesn't like the Scripture that you Authored, Is 45:7, Amos 3:6, Job 1, 2. She says Your Word is VILE and SICK, judging You. Did she not read that Satan ALWAYS obeyed Jesus, or that you sent a lying spirit, or that you let Satan defeat saints - Rev 13:7?

She rejects instruction of Your Word, usually opposing what You say.

Prov 1:7 - fools despise wisdom and instruction.

Prov 18:6 - . . . lips enter into contention . . .

Provs 18:7 - . . . mouth [is] his destruction, and his lips [are] the snare of his soul.

Prov 28:26 - He that trusteth in his own heart is a fool:
---aservant on 2/9/17


Satan is a created, fallen being, used by Father to commit evils, for the Father's own purposes. Satan is putting voice to the thoughts put into his mind by Father.
---aservant on 2/8/17

I've never heard of anything so vile in my life. To twist those verses and say God is behind every evil act working through His robots is as horrible as one using the excuse...the devil made me do it. James 1 totally disagrees with this horrible doctrine. To tell folks that GOD was behind the pervert across the street who molested and murdered your child is SICK SICK SICK. If this is true, why would Peter warn us that Satan roams around like seeking someone to devour....or Paul saying to put on the whole arm our of God to stand against Satan.
---kathr4453 on 2/9/17


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Mike4879, all we need to do is look at Job and the outcome of Job for that answer. There are also references in the NT I believe in James that refer to Job. It coordinates with suffering for the purpose of establishing , strengthening and settling us in our faith. Through it we become OVERCOMERS. Through it we are strengthened by might in the inner man, Ephesians 3:14-21. Hebrews also tells us why Jesus suffered....SO THAT He can minister to us through our sufferings.

We are called the SUFFERING CHURCH. But that suffering is conforming us to the image of Jesus Christ. If God has allowed suffering in your life...REJOICE IN IT. Count it ALL JOY MY FRIEND. It is not a punishment for sin, it is a necessity for your maturity.
---kathr4453 on 2/8/17


Why does God go along with Satan?
Is 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil
Amos 3:6 . . . shall there be evil in a city, and the Lord hath not done it?

How come THE LORD goes along with the requests of the Devil so often?
Satan is a created, fallen being, used by Father to commit evils, for the Father's own purposes. Satan is putting voice to the thoughts put into his mind by Father.

God rules all of inhabitants of Heaven and Hell
. ---mike4879 on 1/2/17
---aservant on 2/8/17


The sovereignty of God is the promises of God revealed in His covenant promises. God cannot lie, that is a sovereign FACT. There is not one single covenant IN SCRIPTURES, that says God only died for a select few. The Sovereignty of God says Jesus died not only for us but the sin of the whole world.

MarkV, Luke has created his own doctrine regarding the Sovereignty of God, and had created a doctrine not found in scripture. Marks God can do anything He wants...even LIE.

I KNOW what the sovereignty of God is MarkV. And it is not something you all have made up to accuse and abuse others who disagree with you.
---kathr4453 on 2/8/17


Mark_Eaton, love you.......
------.

Yesterday I had this awesome thought.....and it came after I posted something about Noah cursing his grandson...here it is, and please give your thoughts.

Noah got drunk, and his son left him exposed and naked in a sense mocking him. And I wondered, when we all pick at each other looking for weaknesses to attack, are we not doing the same as Noah's son? God immediately COVERED Adam and Eve, in their shame.....maybe we should all follow that mindset, and see if we can change the tone of many of our posts. And ignore those who want to tear down rather than build up.
---kathr4453 on 2/1/17

Nicole I was the one who first brought up Noah. Linda just reiterated what I FIRST STATED.
---kathr4453 on 2/8/17


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Nicole, Ok, so I just posted where I was the one who first brought up Noah. Maybe you didn't read that part, or where even Linda referred to that particular post where she also stated she did.

Linda is a friend of mine, who posted that at my home while visiting me. I know for a fact she won't post back. She was shocked at your reaction, and wondered why you replied back for John? And was horrified at your reaction that was so off the wall. And why John didn't reply back for himself. Her statement was never to you. So she doesn't see the necessity of replying to you. I asked her if she would, but respect why she hasn't.

OK! Now that you see and apologized, PEACE.
---kathr4453 on 2/8/17


You more than likely drove her off from ever posting here again.//

How would you know that?

//The REAL ISSUE Nicole is YOU accused ME.//

***Kathr, this post isn't against you.---Nicole_Laceyon 2/3/17

//it still will not CHANGE what you said about me using Genesis for the purpose of racism and slavery.//

???

Kathr, you didn't use Genesis, Linda did.

REMEMBER?

//refuse to apologize, using Linda to hide your pride behind. So I'm done Nicole. I thought you changed. I see you have not.---kathr4453on 2/8/17

I have and I will show you again.

I AM SORRY for bringing up hurtful past posts.

PLEASE FORGIVE ME.

PEACE
---Nicole_Lacey on 2/8/17


Tejano, this is what MarkV, Luke and Lisa all claim to be. What are the odds? All Calvinists, all Tejano's all using the EXACT poor grammer....the EXACT WRONG WORD. ALl act like sissy girls gossiping crying to anyone who will hear their poor poor sob story .
It has been noted that this person named Luke only came on after MarkV was thrown off, and MarkV came on only after Lisa was thrown off. All have the exact same personality. Grown men don't cry to Nicole or anyone for that matter. A totally Woossy thing to do. This person who has the emotions and personality of a catty woman will seek the ear of anyone who she can use to create hate, slander, the other KNOWN personality traces of MARKV. ...just another supposed coincidence?
---kathr4453 on 2/8/17


Nicole asks, what's with all this protection? My question is ..why the evasion? Why are you protecting John? John tried to start a hate fest. By attacking Linda YOU were protecting John's behavior.

And if we are to see Christ in others, when I see Christ through MarkV, Luke , Lisa, ..I see this:

Oh Father my widdle widdle feewings are hurt. So and so said this, and so and so said that, and called me names, and my feewings are so hurt that I'm changing my mind. They don't deserve me, because they hurt my widdle widdle feewings? And now I'm going to go on a mission to tell everyone how so and so hurt my widdle widdle feewings.
---kathr4453 on 2/8/17


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Nicole, you got it right. Kathr accuses me of been someone else all the time, and it is her who uses other names. She calls me Mark then accuses John of being Mark. What she does not understand and I don't know why is the fact that all who have been taught the Sovereignty of God, know and answer the same way. We know who God is. We know His attributes and character. But she has been a pain in the side of so many here. It's ok to debate with someone else. but after she debates she throws some really nasty words your way. Just wait and see how she responds to me for posting this.
---Luke on 2/8/17


Nicole, what makes you think Linda wants to speak to you? She never addressed you in the first place, and you attacked her like I've never seen before, making all sorts of false accusations. You more than likely drove her off from ever posting here again.

The REAL ISSUE Nicole is YOU accused ME. And therefore I am asking you to qualify that false accusation you made about ME. Linda can't help you or me. And even if Linda did reply to you, it still will not CHANGE what you said about me using Genesis for the purpose of racism and slavery.

You know now how wrong you were to say that, but still refuse to apologize, using Linda to hide your pride behind. So I'm done Nicole. I thought you changed. I see you have not.
---kathr4453 on 2/8/17


//this is not about Linda. You want it to be, but it is not. It is about YOU//

Kathr, why are you jumping into the conversation?

I am speaking to Linda Not you.

Unless you are Linda as John said?

What's with all this protection?

Linda is capable speaking for herself.

//YOU DID NICOLE. Linda cannot answer for YOU,//

Why not? Do you know something about Linda that I don't?

//Stop hiding behind someone named Linda.--kathr4453on 2/7/17

Are you saying there isn't a Linda and that you are Linda?

Kathr, I do not want to debate you or argue with you.

Please let Linda speak for herself.

I am not going to discuss this with you anymore.

I'm talking to Linda not you.
---Nicole_Lacey on 2/7/17


Nicole, I just saw this....this is not about Linda. You want it to be, but it is not. It is about YOU and YOUR interpretation of Genesis where YOU, not Linda said Genesis was racest. I am asking YOU Nicole, not Linda about YOUR comment Nicole, where Genesis is a racest book. No one has said the but YOU. So let's leave Linda out of it, since Linda never made any comment about slavery or racism. YOU DID NICOLE. Linda cannot answer for YOU, only YOU can answer for you. Where in Genesis 9:20-22 is slavery OR racism even remotely suggested. Only YOU can answer that, because only YOU make that statement. Stop hiding behind someone named Linda.
---kathr4453 on 2/7/17


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Genesis9:20-22
Kathr, Linda NEVER clarify herself. Only you have tried to tell me how she feels or thinks.

Why CAN'T she speak for herself?

//So Nicole, exactly what do you have against Genesis 9:20-21.

Maybe we should start with this.--kathr4453on 2/7/17

Yes with Linda NOT you.

Linda, why did you use those verses?
---Nicole_Lacey on 2/7/17


Satan is the god of this world.

Love, true love (as in the verb form) has practically evaporated from the earth. The 1960s was the turning point of getting away from God on a large scale. Since then violence has grown progressively worse. Just within the past two years it has even gotten worse.

Microaggression and violent protests, especially during the Trump campaign until now, shows that satan knows he has only a short time left and is wreaking havoc like no other time in history. Man says "peace, peace, peace," but violence keeps growing. The drums of wars and rumors of war keep beating. Even these protests are wars, wars against God.
---Steveng on 2/4/17


"Simon, Simon! Indeed, Satan has asked for you, that he may sift you as wheat. But I have prayed for you, that your faith should not fail, and when you have returned to Me, strengthen your brethren." (in Luke 22:31-32)

So, Satan did have to ask. He could not just do whatever he pleased.

And Jesus prayed for how it would turn out. Satan could not make the final choice about how it would go, for Peter.

And the prayer of Jesus, I consider, resulted in Peter coming back to Jesus, plus becoming able to strengthen his brothers and sisters . . . after the prayer of Jesus made him strong to come back. The result, then, of Jesus' prayer was all-loving and not only for Peter (c:
---Bill on 1/10/17


Scripture blames the LAW of sin "dwelling" in our members (flesh).

Rom 7:15 . . . but what I hate, that do I.
Rom 7:16 . . .
Rom 7:17 . . . it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:18 . . . to will is present with me, how to perform . . . good I find not.
Rom 7:19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
Rom 7:20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:21 . . .
Rom 7:22 . . .
Rom 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
---aservant on 1/6/17


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TRUE! The Lord is in charge.

2 Chronicles 18:19-21

19 And the Lord said, Who will entice Ahab king of Israel into attacking Ramoth Gilead and going to his death there?

One suggested this, and another that. 20 Finally, a spirit came forward, stood before the Lord and said, I will entice him.

By what means? the Lord asked.

21 I will go and be a deceiving spirit in the mouths of all his prophets, he said.

You will succeed in enticing him, said the Lord. Go and do it.

TRUE! THE LORD IS ALWAYS IN CHARGE. I WHOLLY AGREE.
---mike4879 on 1/6/17


Probably the most important key to understanding scripture correctly is to realize He ENDED THE AGE OF TIME and began the AGE OF ETERNITY.

He came in "the FULNESS OF TIME" Ephesians)....."He came at the end of the age to put away sin"...."and in the age to come, ETERNAL LIFE".

So, when scripture says that an event WILL HAPPEN, because Jesus brought ETERNITY, that event has already become a reality.

...and for the faithful, SATAN has been DESTROYED AND CAN NO LONGER CAUSE EVIL IN THE INDIVIDUAL'S LIVE unless THE INDIVIDUAL COOPERATES.
---faithforfaith on 1/6/17


Jesus destroyed satan...

Heb 2:14 Since therefore the children share in flesh and blood, he himself likewise partook of the same nature, that through death he might destroy him who has the power of death, that is, the devil, ---faithforfaith on 1/3/17


Jesus has not yet destroyed Satan. Please read all of Romans 7:5-25.

But Jesus will destroy him - Rev 20:10.
---aservant on 1/4/17


Mike, you not giving a COMPLETE picture of the interactions.

In the Gospel of Luke, Jesus told Peter He would pray for him and he would be successful.

So successful he told him to help the other Apostles.

Luke 22:31-32
31 Simon, Simon, Satan has asked to sift all of you as wheat. 32 But I have prayed for you, Simon, that your faith may not fail. And when you have turned back, strengthen your brothers.

God is ALWAYS in charge no matter how it seems otherwise.
---Nicole_Lacey on 1/4/17


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Iniquity used to be caused by satan's influence, but no longer. For the faithful AND spirit-filled, satan no longer can can be the cause of evil, WE EACH are the cause (if we are not genuinely spirit-filled.

WE are responsible now for our deeds/behavior.

Jesus destroyed satan...

Heb 2:14 Since therefore the children share in flesh and blood, he himself likewise partook of the same nature, that through death he might destroy him who has the power of death, that is, the devil,
---faithforfaith on 1/3/17


Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

Job 2:3 . . . thou movedst me against him, to destroy him without cause.

God takes responsibility for all Job's destructions, using Satan as His Hand. See from this, God "controls BOTH sides of the chessboard".

Is 45:7 . . . I make peace, and create evil . . .

Amo 3:6 . . . shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?
---aservant on 1/2/17


Satan has not gotten anything, at all worth getting, by getting permission to do what he can want to do. And Satan was right in the presence of Jesus . . . also in the wilderness while tempting Jesus. And Satan did not so greatly appreciate being in Christ's very presence, but instead was so busy with accusing and with trying to bring down Peter and Jesus. What a waste!!

But, of course, we can share with Jesus, in His love in the Holy Spirit > Romans 5:5.

And notice how Jesus is not conceited, if He has been willing to talk personally, with one such as Satan. So, surely Jesus pleases to communicate and share personally with each of us ! ! ! (c:
---Bill on 1/2/17


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