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Does God Forgive Future Sin

Does God forgive future sin as a born again? There's information on both ..1)sin forgiven 2)NOT forgiven. On one side you get something along lines of Past, present, future sins forgiven through blood of Jesus. Sounds hard to comprehend. On other you get "..."

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1 John 3:9 - Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin : for his seed remains in him : and he cannot sin, because he is born of God,
---RichardC on 1/29/17


Kathr:

"All theologians agree the word "person" has issues,"??

And Name for us all here these theologians??

"God CANNOT BE defined or described in HUMAN TERMS. And this is where so much confusion comes in."

Well Moses disagrees with you in Deut 6:4 so much for not being able to define God in Human Language...


"When you suggest three persons, it gives the impression of three individual Gods."You have all ready been provided definition

Ma'am, you have been provided the definition of the "Trinity."

You were also provided the definition of Tritheism... which is "False."
---john9346 on 1/29/17


Joseph,

And the Jews also find the thought of the Lord Jesus Christ as their "Messiah." an abomination so are you going to run to them to disprove this as well??

Also, the NT is a fulfillment of the OT many things those in OT didn't understand now made clear in NT.

Its telling to everyone that you have to run to a source outside of "Scripture." to try to defend your, "Position."

Sir, my prayer is that you will repent and believe in the Christ of Holy Scripture who isn't a mode or manifestation, but a person who Eternally Existed with the "Father."

Joseph, sir, in love to you, you only have 1 chance to get this right please remember the Lord Jesus's Words in Jn 8:24.
---john9346 on 1/29/17


Kathr said, "See John, even Luke called you out on this in another thread."

And did you continue reading my response to Luke??

Kathr, why won't you and Joseph allow the Writers of Scripture to tell you what they meant...

Ladies and gentlemen, read the Scriptures on this its clear please listen to them they wrote it not you...
---john9346 on 1/29/17


Kathr my friend,

You have all ready stated that God is manifestations/modes and not persons.

Ma'm, this is a denial of the God revealed in "Scripture."

You have all ready stated that the Lord Jesus Christ didn't Eternally Exist prior to coming in the flesh.

Ma'am, again, this is a denial of the Lord Jesus Christ revealed in "Scripture."

John the apostle writing by the Holy Spirit in 1:1-14, 17:3-5, all ready explain that Jesus did Eternally Exist before the flesh...

Paul the apostle writing by the Holy Spirit has also ready explained in Phil 2:6-11, Col 1:13-17, Heb 1:1-2 that Jesus did Eternally Exist before coming in the flesh.
---john9346 on 1/29/17




The Father forgives sin period, for those In Jesus, as stated and witnessed in scripture. "To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved. In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace. Who has delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:" [Again], "In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:" See also Act 13:38>Act 26:18 for further documentation of the forgiveness of sins.
---josef on 1/23/17

Keith, AGAIN, Josef could not have answered your question any better. God NOW sees you IN Christ. And IN CHRIST He sees no sin.
---kathr4453 on 1/28/17


1 John 1:7 - But if we walk in light , as he walk in light, we have fellowship one with another , and the blood of Jesus Christ his son cleanesth us from All sin .

{ -------> All }
---RichardC on 1/28/17


John 17:23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one, and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am, that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.

We need to read and understand ALL of John 17, which is the MYSTERY first revealed here, CHRIST IN YOU, seated with Christ IN HEAVENLY PLACES. ....that some here scoff at, not realizing THIS is what God revealed to Paul.
---kathr4453 on 1/28/17


You can stick your head in the sand on this issue, but remember Jesus told us eternal life was to know the Father and Him. How well do you really know the Father?
---Mark_Eaton on 1/26/17

How dare you try to question or shame me because I believe the God head cannot be defined in human terms. To KNOW the Father can only be when one is crucified with Christ, coming THROUGH THE VEIL, THAT IS TO SAY HIS FLESH To the Father. No one can come To the Father except THROUGH His Son. The ONLY way to come THROUGH the Son is to come THROUGH the Cross. Understanding the Doctrine of the Trinity does NOT reveal the Father to anyone. Only Faith in Jesus Christ will.

However, TRYING TO "DEFINE GOD" IS hallowed ground. Careful!
---kathr4453 on 1/27/17


----- I know all about Romans 6. There are many programs based on this. And they fail. Perhaps your God uses fairy dust to get rid of things in your life, -----
---Mark_Eaton on 1/27/17

The first mistake here Mark_E is suggesting Romans 6 can become a PROGRAM based on fairy dust based on YOU. That shows you have no idea what Romans 6 is about. Romans 6 is A WORK God has already accomplished at the CROSS . It is the HOLY SPIRIT''s R 8:11-13 ministry to actually work this in you....( not a human program) the THIRD person of the Trinity You advocate...yet also deny. If perhaps you don't KNOW the Holy Spirit in this way, YOU don't actually KNOW the Father in John 17's way.
---kathr4453 on 1/27/17




You are totally out of line to call mine or anyone's salvation and relationship with the Lord into question. ---kathr4453 on 1/26/17

And when did I do that?

Shameful! Yet You defend your self going to AA
---kathr4453 on 1/26/17

I reject your shame. My Father does not heap shame on me, for there is now no condemnation. So keep your shame to yourself.

You know nothing of AA. BTW, I go to NA. I know all about Romans 6. There are many programs based on this. And they fail. Perhaps your God uses fairy dust to get rid of things in your life, but my God is about me doing the work. There is a saying in the rooms, "without God I can't, without me God won't".
---Mark_Eaton on 1/27/17


All theologians agree the word "person" has issues, but we are forced to use that word because being human that is the only human word we can use in describing the Godhead. I agree with this, but would like to add, that God CANNOT BE defined or described in HUMAN TERMS. And this is where so much confusion comes in.

In the beginning we have DAY. Day consisted of evening AND morning. But is called DAY. Time has past, present and future, but TIME is not divided into three persons. Time is Time.

When you suggest three persons, it gives the impression of three individual Gods. This is false too. I believe the doctrine of the Godhead is not something that can be ACCURATELY AND COMPLETELY defined in HUMAN TERMS.
---kathr4453 on 1/27/17


"The Holy Spirit is a person:" The Jews according to the "The universal Jewish encyclopedia" which you where so quick to quote to me, also disagrees with you John, and I quote "The Holy Spirit, as the third person of the trinity could originate only on gentile soil, since it was based on linguistic error. The Jews have always regarded the doctrine of the trinity as one irreconcilable with the spirit of the Jewish religion and with monotheism." This is something that I can agree with. However John, in the spirit of fellowship, I am more than willing to agree to disagree with you concerning the trinity.
---Josef on 1/27/17


John, the Lord brought this to mind this morning concerning you. I've known people like you in the past who cause all sort of division and confusion in churches and with Christians, and I know the outcome of that is not a good one. Please don't try to get between the Lord and His Servant and tell that person they are not saved WHEN YOU may be the one who is WRONG in your judgement of another.


Isaiah 29:20-21

20 For the terrible one is brought to nought, and the scorner is consumed, and all that watch for iniquity are cut off:

21 That make a man an offender for a word, and lay a snare for him that reproveth in the gate, and turn aside the just for a thing of nought.
---kathr4453 on 1/27/17


ANOTHER JESUS is the JW's Jesus, the RCC Jesus who they claim His Mother was sinless because her mother was born of a virgin or whatever. CANT be the Jesus of scripture. Different MO. To accuse someone of worshiping "another Jesus" who believe that before Jesus was made flesh, before He took on the seed of Abraham, before He was of the seed of David, He was not a PERSON named Jesus. Jesus is the name given to His humanity. Before He was born of a Virgin, He is referred to as The WORD OF GOD, with a capital W Even in Revelation He is still....THE WORD OF GOD. He is Lord. He is I AM. He has so many names and titles. Jesus Christ IS LORD GOD ALMIGHTY.

So John, exactly what part of Jesus do YOU not understand?
---kathr4453 on 1/27/17


John, I wanted to also say, that there was no Jesus until the human Son was born. -----
---Luke on 1/20/17

See John, even Luke called you out on this in another thread.

So you may want to STOP what you are teaching and go back and study to show yourself approved unto God, or else Scripture says those who teach falsehoods will receive a more severe judgement. That alone should cool your jets before you continue attacking and judging others based on your faulty human understanding.
---kathr4453 on 1/27/17


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Kathr my friend,

You have all ready stated that God is manifestations/modes and not persons.

Ma'm, this is a denial of the God revealed in "Scripture."

You have all ready stated that the Lord Jesus Christ didn't Eternally Exist prior to coming in the flesh.

Ma'am, again, this is a denial of the Lord Jesus Christ revealed in "Scripture."

John the apostle writing by the Holy Spirit in 1:1-14 all ready explain that Jesus did Eternally Exist before the flesh.

Paul the apostle also has all ready explained in Phil 2:6-11 that Jesus did Eternally Exist before coming in the flesh.
---john9346 on 1/27/17


God The Father is a person:

The Father loves see John 16:27 3:35.

The Father sent the Son see Jn 4:34 5:30.

The Father speaks see Matt 3:13-17, Jn 5:30, Jn 12:49

The father has a "Will." see Matt 26:37-39.

A force, mode or manifestations can not be sent or send, nor love, speak, or have desire.

---john9346 on 1/27/17


The Holy Spirit is a person:

He speaks Acts 8:29, 13:2, 21:11, 1 Tim 4:1.

He can hear John 16:13.

He loves Romans 15:30,

He teaches John 14:26,

He intercedes Romans 8:26-27,

He can be grieved Ephesians 4:30.

He can be lied to Acts 5:3-4.

The Holy Spirit can be blasphemed see Matthew 12:31-32.

You cant blaspheme energy/inspiration/a-force, only a person.

All the chariteristics above are only qualities that a person have not a force, inspiration, modes nor manifestations.

---john9346 on 1/27/17


The Lord Jesus Christ Eternally Existed as the Second Person of the Trinity:

Phil 2:6-11, Jn 17:3 and 5, Col 1:13-17, and Heb 1:1-2.
---john9346 on 1/27/17


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"Josef, maybe I'm using the word incarnation incorrectly, but I'm using it as His birth. So in this respect I believe we are in complete agreement here. If I'm using the word incarnation incorrectly, please let me know, and how it should be used.--kathr4453 on 1/26/17"
No Kathr, based on your post on Christianet I know that you used the word to reference Jesus as embodying the deity of the Father, which is of course very true. I use birth to differentiate between His being fully human and the trinity position of a person of deity simply assuming human form or nature.
---Josef on 1/26/17


John, MY understanding of the Trinity Is obviously different than yours. I do not deny that Jesus Christ is" I AM" aka GOD, God with us, God who was made Flesh. I do not deny that Jesus is the WORD made Flesh who took on the seed of Abraham and was made like unto us, For the purpose of dying for our sin. Heb 2. I do not deny the Ministry of the Holy Spirit, who mortifies the flesh, Romans 8:11-13, also brings forth fruit in our lives, is our teacher, and so much more. I also believe no one can come to the Father except through Jesus Christ Gods only begotten Son.

The Lord has NO PROBLEM whatsoever with what I believe, and my only purpose is to please HIM not you. If perhaps I am wrong on something HE will show me.
---kathr4453 on 1/26/17


John, because you teach No free will, TULIP, placing your faith in commentaries and statements of faith equating them to scriptures, Augustine the Gnostic, just to name but a FEW issues , maybe we should examine whether You are saved. If you are off the mark on those issues, how do we know you aren't off the mark on your version of the Trinity.

I have never said there is no Father, no Son or no Holy Spirit. The problem John is YOU want to take it far beyond what is written and totally disect to the point of a split atom. That is not necessary. Paul was more focused ON THE CROSS, and the preaching of the Cross. LETS GET BACK TO THE CROSS John.
---kathr4453 on 1/26/17


Kathr states, "THIS IS WHAT WE NEED TO PREACH AND FOCUS ON. Understanding the Trinity can't save a flea."

This "Statement." is in "Direct Violation." of the words of the Lord Jesus Christ who said, "Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins, for unless you believe that [a]I am He, you will die in your sins."

To deny the "Trinity." is to deny the Lord Jesus Christ of "Scripture." to deny the Lord Jesus Christ is to deny the "Father and the Holy Spirit." resulting in another God who is not found in "Scripture." This God can not saveanyone from their sins...
---john9346 on 1/26/17


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Josef, maybe I'm using the word incarnation incorrectly, but I'm using it as His birth. So in this respect I believe we are in complete agreement here. If I'm using the word incarnation incorrectly, please let me know, and how it should be used.
---kathr4453 on 1/26/17


God The Father is a person:

The Father loves see John 16:27 3:35.

The Father sent the Son see Jn 4:34 5:30.

The Father speaks see Matt 3:13-17, Jn 5:30, Jn 12:49

The father has a "Will." see Matt 26:37-39.

A force or mode can not be sent or send, nor love, speak, or have desire.
---john9346 on 1/26/17


The Holy Spirit is a person:

He speaks Acts 8:29, 13:2, 21:11, 1 Tim 4:1.

He can hear John 16:13.

He loves Romans 15:30,

He teaches John 14:26,

He intercedes Romans 8:26-27,

He can be grieved Ephesians 4:30.

He can be lied to Acts 5:3-4.

The Holy Spirit can be blasphemed see Matthew 12:31-32.

You cant blaspheme energy/inspiration/a-force, only a person.




---john9346 on 1/26/17


joseph states, "The Word became a person only when it was made tangible in the person of Jesus."

But Paul writing to the Phillippians states in ch 2:6-11:

"Who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7 but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men.

Note, Paul's words referring to the Lord Jesus Christ, "Who, although He existed in the form of God,"

Jesus Eternally Existed as the second person of the "Trinity."

See, also Jn 17:5
---john9346 on 1/26/17


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---john9346 on 1/26/17

John, no one was IN GOD and BY or Through Jesus in the OT. So,it is not explaining anything but the fact that in the NT as His Body we are In God who comes to the Father Through Jesus Christ. No one in the OT could come to the Father. The way into the Holy of Holies was only allowed entrance by the High Priest, yet not without blood. That is why Colossians 3:1-4 actually is explaining 1 Cor 8. No one was hidden with God in Christ, or Hidden with Christ in God or could come to God through Christ in the OT. We are members of His Body, of His Flesh and of His Bone. Ephesians 5-6.......was not in the OT. There was no BOC in the OT.
---kathr4453 on 1/26/17


Col 3:1 If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God. Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth. For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.4 When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.

Mark_Eaton, Making condescending comments to other Christians because they have not memorized your version of the Trinity is Shameful! Yet You defend your self going to AA ( Not above but on the earth) reject Romans 6 where AA is not necessary. Possibly You are the one who does not KNOW the Father. To KNOW the Father YOU have to first be crucified with Christ. That's what YOU should be focused on.
---kathr4453 on 1/26/17


Mark_Eaton, when you decided to attack with condescending comments that perhaps I don't know the Father BECAUSE I haven't memorized YOUR Trinity understanding, I felt it only FAIR to hit YOU below the belt. You are totally out of line to call mine or anyone's salvation and relationship with the Lord into question. If you do it again, I'll hit even harder the next time. But I hit with TRUTH. Jesus did take OUR WRATH, OUR JUDGEMENTS among one thing, BUT I never questioned your salvation when you disagree with that doctrine, or even HOUNDED YOU on that issue. Those things ARE in scripture and you still don't have it correct.....what makes you think You have the absolute understanding of the Trinity correct...have you SEEN all three?
---kathr4453 on 1/26/17


DEFINITION OF PERSON

PERSON
Noun
1.
a human being regarded as an individual.
"the porter was the last person to see her"
synonyms: human being, individual, man/woman, child, human, being, (living) soul, mortal.

GOD IS NOT MORTAL, a human being OR a man or a woman.

So let's nip,this 1st 2nd 3rd PERSON business in the bud. When The Word was made FLESH...the MAN Christ Jesus....THEN He was made a PERSON. He's actually the ONLY "PERSON. "

Spirits are not PERSONS.

So your doctrine already has ISSUES. When you get it RIGHT then we can proceed.
---kathr4453 on 1/26/17


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"I also know the WORD was not a son before his incarnation, and I believe this is what Josef was saying.---kathr4453 on 1/26/17"
Not exactly Kathr. What I'm saying is the WORD was not a person before Jesus' birth. However I agree completely with your post concerning the trinity.
---Josef on 1/26/17


Kathr states, "
I totally disagree, 1 Cor 8 is addressing those IN THE BODY OF CHRIST,"

Well, you must have not read vs 1-6 of 1 Cor 8??

vs 6 Paul explains the meaning of the "Shema." in its fulfillment:

"But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him, and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him."

Note, "One God." and "One Lord." this is a direct quotation along with explanation of the "Shema."
---john9346 on 1/26/17


-----
---Mark_Eaton on 1/26/17

AND I NEVER SAID THAT I BELIEVED THAT EITHER. Did Jesus have a different mode of personality being fully God and Fully Man? Who said anything about different MODES of personality. YOU added something I NEVER SAID EITHER. And it appears Josef has the same issue with this same badgering, by insisting if we see something differently then either we are heretics, don't know God, don't know Jesus, have a label put upon us, or are accused of believing something we never said. I know both the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit. I also know the WORD was not a son before his incarnation, and I believe this is what Josef was saying.
---kathr4453 on 1/26/17


We as Born Again Believers are hidden With God In Christ,
---kathr4453 on 1/26/17

A Freudian Slip? The verse reads "Hidden with Christ in God".

You seem to be a big fan of Pauline Epistles. I urge you to read John's works. John is the Apostle who tells us more about the relationship of Jesus and His Father. Read and study John 17. I have already quoted John 17:3 to you. Eternal life is knowing the Father. Not being seated with Christ on high.

I make it my job to know Jesus and His Father. But it starts with what Jesus tells me about His Father because Jesus says "and no one knows the Son except the Father, nor does anyone know the Father except the Son".

Find out who Jesus Father is.
---Mark_Eaton on 1/26/17


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Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord:
---kathr4453 on 1/25/17

And Paul in 1 Cor 8:6 when discussingthe "Shema." of Deut 6:4explained that it is in refence to the Father and the Son:
This is Paul the apostle explained the "Shema".


---john9346 on 1/26/17

I totally disagree, 1 Cor 8 is addressing those IN THE BODY OF CHRIST, the CHURCH, not even available in the OT, where there are/ were those of a weaker faith having issues eating meat in relation to worshiping idols. And they were told out of respect for the weaker brother IN CHRIST, they should abstain...OUT OF LOVE.

Nothing about defining the Trinity or explaining away Deut.
---kathr4453 on 1/26/17


Strong may list within as being one of the meanings of pros in your book,
It is not my book, It's Dr. Strong's, as one who devoted his entire life to the study of the Hebrew, and Greek languages, and the word for word transliteration of the King James Version of the Bible.
Pros is a preposition of direction. It determines the direction of a relationship, Yes, and in my view that direction and relationship between the Father and His Word originates within Him.
How can one person be "within" another person.---Mark_Eaton"
Where is the Word defined as a person before the birth of Jesus?
"Wow. I am sad for you" Don't be, I am very comfortable in my belief.
---Josef on 1/26/17


Yes, in the good old days, if you did not adhere to some EXACT doctrine of the Trinity, you might be executed as a heretic. And yet we are all heretics as no one but Christ is the embodiment of TRUTH. Yet it is that the Bible is to be a reliable guide. But to me, all us are blind, and the blind lead the blind.
---mike4879 on 1/26/17


But you are making a doctrine out of an incorrect understanding of a word
Mark you misunderstand me, I am "making" no doctrine, this is not an attempt to teach. I am simply sharing the understanding given me by what I believe to be the divine inspiration of the Father. You may disagree with that understanding because the understanding you've been given differs. Be that as it may, it remains my understanding, and I trust the Father that it is given to me to share. The light that I have been granted, I will not hide "under a bushel":o) but I do not advocate any mans conformity to it. Teaching and advocating a conformity to that teaching is how a doctrine is both formed and defined. Neither is applicable to me.
---Josef on 1/26/17


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"B.S." meaning Bachelor in Spirituality..??? My Bible states that if I believe Jesus is the Son of God, born of a virgin, died in my place so that through Jesus death and resurrection I will be brought into Glory, as Jesus purpose was to bring many sons into Glory, that Jesus is the SURETY of the Everlasting Covenant, meaning OSAS that I am a NEW Creature In Christ, sealed with the Holy Spirit of Promise, that the CHURCH did not replace The promises to Israel, free will,

THIS IS WHAT WE NEED TO PREACH AND FOCUS ON. Understanding the Trinity can't save a flea. As long as one believes in the DEITY of Jesus Christ, that He is God in the flesh. The RCC believe in the Trinity and they are as lost as lost can be.
---kathr4453 on 1/26/17


I hate that if you don't adhear to some EXACT doctrine of the Trinity, ( no one knows EXACTLY) that it is ONLY one way in thought or belief, the, it's my way EXACTLY, or get some man made label Pinned on you (also not in scripture,) is horrible.

We as Born Again Believers are hidden With God In Christ, sealed by the Holy Spirit, seated with Christ in Heavenly Places In Christ CALLED THE CHURCH, THE BOC! One new man, (not the new Israel, because the old Israel was NEVER Jesus Body in the first place) Colossians and Ephesians. AND what is more interesting here is those who profess to be experts on the Trinity( not taught as a doctrine in scripture) can't even comprehend the above THAT "IS" TAUGHT IN SCRIPTURE.
---kathr4453 on 1/26/17


I really don't care what medalist or whatever believes.
---kathr4453 on 1/25/17

This is B.S.

Do you even understand yourself?

Why do you comment on other peoples posts if you do not care what they believe?

This is what I know. The doctrine of a Triune God aligns with what we see in Scripture. We know that the Father is God, Jesus is God, and the Holy Spirit is God.

The non-Trinitarian view of a single entity having different "modes" of personality does not align with Scripture. This is the man-made theory, not the Trinity.

You can stick your head in the sand on this issue, but remember Jesus told us eternal life was to know the Father and Him. How well do you really know the Father?
---Mark_Eaton on 1/26/17


Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord:
---kathr4453 on 1/25/17

And Paul in 1 Cor 8:6 when discussingthe "Shema." of Deut 6:4explained that it is in refence to the Father and the Son:

"Yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things and we exist for Him, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him." 1 Cor 8:6

This is Paul the apostle explained the "Shema."







---john9346 on 1/26/17


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that's one definition according to the original copy write of the Strongs concordance
---Josef on 1/25/17

Wow. I am sad for you.

You know Scripture and have studied.

But you are making a doctrine out of an incorrect understanding of a word.

Strong may list "within" as being one of the meanings of pros in your book, but your understanding does not agree with what the word is.

Pros is a preposition of direction. It determines the direction of a relationship, meaning two or more persons. It has meanings in the NT of forward to, turned towards, by the side of, with, about, among, before, between, together.

How can one person be "within" another person.
---Mark_Eaton on 1/26/17


Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord:

This is what I believe Mark_Eaton. I really don't care what medalist or whatever believes. I would rather keep my mind pure of any man made theories not even taught in scripture.

Jesus fully God fully man worked together as one called the Last Adam. Scripture also says "there is ONE GOD and one mediator between God and man, that is THE MAN Christ Jesus." Now should people interpret this to mean Jesus is not God......ABSOLUTELY NOT. BECAUSE one day every knee will bow and confess JESUS CHRIST IS LORD. ..THE Lord our God is one LORD.

We only see dimly, but one day when we are with the Lord, we will understand completely....MAYBE.
---kathr4453 on 1/25/17


Nicole_Lacey wrote "I ask because some of the answers are spot-on."

Even Satan is "spot-on" when deceiving the world.



Nicole_Lacey (and other catholics), I have a question for you.

How can you be a member of an organization, the catholic church, who is dedicated to dividing Israel / Jerusalem?
---Steveng on 1/25/17


joseph said, "What I read in scripture is that Word was made flesh, and that once that was done, the person was called Jesus. Not " that the "Word." was the Lord Jesus Christ (A Person) before that occurred."

But that is not what John the apostle said,

Jn 1:1-4:

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him, and without him was not any thing made that was made.

4 In him was life, and the life was the light of men.
---john9346 on 1/25/17


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I do not believe in three separate beings, I believe the Lord our God is ONE GOD, in three manifestations of Himself, something WE as humans cannot completely understand but believe by faith.
---kathr4453 on 1/25/17

3 Separate Beings is "Trytheism." this is not the "Trinity."

The trinity is These 3 persons make up God not 3 different Gods, but only 1 true Living God.

Not 3 "Modes.", but "3 Distinct Persons."
---john9346 on 1/25/17


I believe the Lord our God is ONE GOD, in three manifestations of Himself
---kathr4453 on 1/25/17

The term "modalism" or "Sabellianism" describes God as one entity who "wears" three different "personalities" depending on what mode is needed. Modalists say the Father and the Son are one person, of one substance, and of one being. This is an anti-trinitarian belief.

This belief is contrasted by Trinitarians, who believe that there are three distinct personalities of God, all with the same substance or essence, in a intimate relationship so close it can only be called "oneness".

Christian doctrine and history is founded on the Trinity and trinitarian beliefs.
---Mark_Eaton on 1/25/17


Mark_Eaton, the Word made flesh, Born of a virgin, conceived of the Holy Spirit. I believe Jesus is 100% man and 100% God. The man part of Jesus is not the second person of the Son, or second person of the Word. YET when Jesus was crucified, His flesh died, not His Spirit. GOD did not die. Even with all these scriptures before us concerning Jesus, people still don't get it,or even believe it or still have peculiar ideas that the Word just jumped in Mary's womb, and not really of Mary because Mary was born in sin. Also, Jesus, fully God and fully Man ( a new entity) is not divided into a 4th person of the Trinity either. Maybe in this same thought, God being ONE GOD, also has different aspects of His very person, BEYOND OUR UNDERSTANDING.
---kathr4453 on 1/25/17


All this 1st 2nd and Third person language is man made, and not in scripture...
---kathr4453 on 1/25/17

Wow. I never expected this of you.

John 1:1. If the Word is God, and God is One, then what gives? Two Gods? Who/what is the Word that was made flesh?

At Jesus baptism, all three forms of God are present. Smoke and mirrors?

At the transfiguration, Jesus is present and the Father speaks from heaven. One and the same?

Why does Jesus pray to the Father?

Jesus and the Father were together in John 17:5

The Trinity is mentioned in Isaiah 48:16.

Do I need to go on?
---Mark_Eaton on 1/25/17


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None of the answers were switched from the questions.
Mark You are the one being dishonest.
Example from the blog you quoted: Your statement: "The Greek word pros is NEVER translated as the English word "within" (as inside or within) in the entire New Testament. >There was no question.

My response: That's one definition according to the original copy write of the Strongs concordance, in book form, and it is the definition that fits in this case, considering "the Word" translate from logos, and logos is defined as "something said, an utterance". Speech originates from within."

You made the same kind of misrepresentation with the other quote as well
---Josef on 1/25/17


"
Where exactly?
---Josef on 1/24/17

Sir, again, vs 1:1-18 explains to you

What you must when reading vs 1:1-18 is does John make a separation.
---john9346 on 1/25/17"


What I read in scripture is that Word was made flesh, and that once that was done, the person was called Jesus. Not " that the "Word." was the Lord Jesus Christ (A Person) before that occurred.

"I believe you hide your true beliefs. I believe you to be dishonest about what you believe and evasive when questioned about it."--Mark_Eaton on 1/25/17 Mark I have stated my beliefs as clearly as I can on a number of occasions. Your accusations are unfounded.
---Josef on 1/25/17


Mark_Eaton, I see no scripture stating the Word is the THIRD person of the Trinity. I don't even see scripture state He is 1st or second. All this 1st 2nd and Third person language is man made, and not in scripture. The Apostles never taught it, or defined it or stated it must be defined in absolutes or else you are a heretic. If so, please find at least 2 or 3 scriptures to back up before we can proceed. Otherwise it's just man made doctrine with no absolute scriptures to confirm.
---kathr4453 on 1/25/17


I believe the Lord our God is ONE GOD, in three manifestations of Himself
---kathr4453 on 1/25/17

Perhaps you should explain what "manifestations" means.

The term "homoousios to patri" was coined to help explain the Trinity. It means "of one substance with the Father". Jesus is of the same substance or essence (God, divine) as the Father. The Three personalities (Father, Son, Holy Spirit) are all of the same substance, of God, but all are distinct. The One being means Oneness, or perichoresis described by Jesus:

John 17:21 "that they may all be one, even as You, Father, are in Me and I in You, that they also may be in Us, so that the world may believe that You sent Me"
---Mark_Eaton on 1/25/17


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Where exactly?
---Josef on 1/24/17

Sir, again, vs 1:1-18 explains to you

What you must when reading vs 1:1-18 is does John make a separation.
---john9346 on 1/25/17


In the being of God (essence) there exist Father, Son, and Holy Spirit who are co equal, co eternal, and co existing, 3 distinct persons. The Father is not The Son, The Son is not The Father, and The Holy Spirit is not the Father nor is he the Son.

These 3 persons make up God not 3 different Gods, but only 1 true Living God.
---john9346 on 1/25/17


Aservant...in the beginning was the WORD, and the WORD was with God, and the WORD was God. Nothing about the WORD being in submission to God before His Incarnation. Before the foundation of the world, a covenant was made between God, the Word and the Holy Spirit to save men from sin. THE WORD was made flesh for the purpose of dying in the flesh...please read Hebrews 2. He humbled HIMSELF, for that very purpose.

I do not believe in three separate beings, I believe the Lord our God is ONE GOD, in three manifestations of Himself, something WE as humans cannot completely understand but believe by faith.
---kathr4453 on 1/25/17


Did you used to practice the Catholic faith?

I ask because some of the answers are spot-on.
---Nicole_Lacey on 1/25/17

No Ma'am, I am a "Tota Scripturist." meaning I allow all of "Scripture." to define itself what is of the Christian Faith and what is cult... heresy...

Thanks for asking lol
---john9346 on 1/25/17


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Jesus was begotten of the Father before His incarnation
---kathr4453 on 1/24/17

Never said that, never will. Please carefully read my post before you comment on it.

The Word, the third person of the Trinity, was with the Father from Before the Beginning. Pre-existing, before the foundation of the world. Not my words, but St. John.

Yes, the Word became flesh but did that flesh cease to be the Word? Did Jesus cease to be the Word, un-created, separate but not separated from the Father?

Or, is the Word just an utterance by a solitary God who can be every person of the Trinity?
---Mark_Eaton on 1/25/17


Mark what would motivate you to change the context of what I've written? What purpose does that serve you?
---Josef on 1/24/17

I believe you hide your true beliefs. I believe you to be dishonest about what you believe and evasive when questioned about it.

You said every one of these quotes.

Every one of those questions were asked of you.

None of the answers were switched from the questions.

Go back and look at the blog, Finish It Here Dec 2016.

Are you retracting your answers?
---Mark_Eaton on 1/25/17


"Did you read from Jn 1 vs 1-18 he does not present the "Word." as one thing and "Made flesh." another he clearly tells us that the "Word." was the Lord Jesus Christ (A Person)---john9346 on 1/24/17" Where exactly?
---Josef on 1/24/17


The WORD was never in submission to God ---kathr4453 on 1/24/17

Untrue. The Word did not come down from Heaven of His own volition. The Father makes all decisions regarding spirits. God is ominpotent. He is the apex Judge. Every spirit submits to Him.

Jesus is talking - Jn 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. This is clearly submission.

Rom 8:3 . . . God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh . . . Going when sent is submission to God. Father called Him Son before He existed in flesh.

Looks like another case of being in your own world.
---aservant on 1/24/17


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//The word, "Begotten." is used of the Lord Jesus to make a distinction between the "Created." and the "Uncreated." When used of the Lord Jesus Christ it means he was "Uncreated."---john9346

Did you used to practice the Catholic faith?

I ask because some of the answers are spot-on.
---Nicole_Lacey on 1/25/17


John, Adam was created, and all after Adam were begotten. But not all are the first born. Each individual human being is not individually created by God, ....only Adam was.

I also love 1 John chapter one. It does not contradict what I believe.

Interestingly in Revelation, when it shows Jesus returning on a White Horse it says, " And His name is called THE WORD OF GOD. I love that.

John, I once heard someone explain the Trinity this way: God thought it, the Word Spoke it, and the Holy Spirit put it into action.

I don't disagree with that either, because no one can ABSOLUTELY define this area. Not even your church fathers.
---kathr4453 on 1/25/17


Kathr states, "I personally do not believe that definition. Begotten means BIRTHED!"


The word, "Begotten." is used of the Lord Jesus to make a distinction between the "Created." and the "Uncreated." When used of the Lord Jesus Christ it means he was "Uncreated."

The word "Firstborn." refers to the Lord Jesus's Preeminence and not being Physically Born. See Col 1:15.



Kathr states, "It does not say, The Son was made flesh."

Did you read from Jn 1 vs 1-18 he does not present the "Word." as one thing and "Made flesh." another he clearly tells us that the "Word." was the Lord Jesus Christ (A Person)
---john9346 on 1/24/17


"Josef told me his personal interpretation of John 1:1 was "In the beginning was the word, and the word was within God, and the word was God" with the word in John 1:1 not being a person, but "something said, an utterance".

"When I confronted Josef that he was denying the personhood of the Word from John 1:1, he replied "Before it was made flesh, yes, however that is in no way a denial of Jesus".---Mark_Eaton on 1/24/17"


Mark what would motivate you to change the context of what I've written? What purpose does that serve you?
---Josef on 1/24/17


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Unless you understand that you are a NEW CREATURES in Christ, and that the new creature is not sin, but only our old man is sin, and that our old man is crucified with Christ, Crucified meaning we DIED WITH CHRIST, and we are told we need to reckon this as true, and learn to walk in the Spirit. Romans also says we are NOT in the flesh but in the Spirit if we are Christ's. Simply put God only sees us IN CHRIST...that is if you are in Christ, and the ONLY way one can be IN Christ is to FIRST be crucified iwith Christ and raised a New Creature "IN Christ, being raised up TOGETHER WITH HIM" . Only the NEW creature is IN Christ. We are not asked to FEEL it so, but BELIEVE IT TO BE TRUE, aka walking by faith.
---kathr4453 on 1/24/17


"Amen Josef. Keep up the great posts.---kathr4453 on 1/23/17"
Thank you Kathr, that means something coming from you.
---josef on 1/24/17


Mark_Eaton, years ago I got into a testy discussion with MarkV who believed Jesus was begotten of the Father before His incarnation, and that the Son existed before His Incarnation. I personally do not believe that definition. Begotten means BIRTHED! God did not give birth and have a Son before Jesus incarnation. He is not God JR. Scripture clearly says THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH. It does not say, The Son was made flesh. The WORD was never in submission to God. When the Word was made flesh, begotten of God, He humbled "Himself" and willingly submitted to the Will of God that was already decided BEFORE the foundation of the world to die for our sin. That could only be done in the flesh. ****Hebrews 2.
---kathr4453 on 1/24/17


Amen Josef. Keep up the great posts.
---kathr4453 on 1/23/17

Why don't you ask Josef about the Trinity? I doubt that you will be amening his responses.

I believe Josef to be against the Triune God.

Josef told me his personal interpretation of John 1:1 was "In the beginning was the word, and the word was within God, and the word was God" with the word in John 1:1 not being a person, but "something said, an utterance".

When I confronted Josef that he was denying the personhood of the Word from John 1:1, he replied "Before it was made flesh, yes, however that is in no way a denial of Jesus".
---Mark_Eaton on 1/24/17


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Amen Josef. Keep up the great posts.
---kathr4453 on 1/23/17


The Father forgives sin period, for those In Jesus, as stated and witnessed in scripture. "To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved. In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace. Who has delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:" [Again], "In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:" See also Act 13:38>Act 26:18 for further documentation of the forgiveness of sins.
---josef on 1/23/17


It sounds like "once saved, always saved" theology concerning future sins. Every man, woman and child sins every day (especially in today's world). We must pray without ceasing.

God will not despise a broken spirit and a contrite heart if we continually pray for forgiveness for each and every sin. God calls sinners to seek him and promises them forgiveness when they repent.

We are in the mist of the great falling away from the faith. Some would say they never had faith to begin with, but one must have faith to begin with before falling away, eh?
---Steveng on 1/23/17


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