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Who Is The Serpent

Genesis 3.1 Now the serpent was more subtle than any beast of the field. I have concluded the verse reads like this,
Now Serpent was more subtle than any beast of the field.
Now we have his name - Serpent.
What is your position on this verse?

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Post 29.I'm stopping in to add one more point.
Adam and Eve were the last on the list to be created.
Beasts of the field was created before Adam and Eve.Gen.3.1 Serpent is one named descendant from that seed who had ancestors before Adam and Eve making Serpent's mother and father and ancestors an older human seed(race) than Adam and Eve or their seed (race).
And at Gen.3.15 Serpent went on to have descendants who like him were also beasts of the field which the Jewish historians did not recognize as another human race of man living along side them.
----earl on 2/24/17


Earl don't leave before telling us exactly who you believe the serpent to be, and why? "What is your position on this verse?" You never made that clear.
---joseph on 2/18/17


Post 28.Micha,post 26 to you and 27 to everyone else did not get posted.This post to you may not either but if it does it is my last here.Because of that this is my last post.
The Pharisees were known to hold the Talmud,(oral laws) laws of men at a greater value than any of Moses' laws.
The Pharisees were Jews like Jesus was when he was here in human form.
So Jesus was not stating that they were such physically because he too was a Jew.
This is my last post.
Thanks every one for participating in this .
Love you all for joining in on this blog.
See you later.
----earl on 2/18/17


I think barb explained it well.
earl, if you don't think Satan can have seed, then you're at odds (enmity) with Jesus, who called the Pharisees children of the devil and said that there are seeds of the evil one growing among the children of God.
Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed, it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
The question is: Why are you at enmity with Eve's seed?
---micha9344 on 2/17/17


God is the Father (seed) of those born of the Holy Spirit and the children of the serpent seed are those born of the evil spirit, Satan.

"Ye are of your father, the devil and the lusts of your father you will do. He was a murderer from the beginning and abode not in the truth because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks of his own for he is a liar and the father of it." John 8,44.

"The field is the world, the good seed are the children of the kingdom but the tares are the children of the wicked one." Matt 13:38.

---barb on 2/16/17




Post 25.Micha,You state "the serpent is Satan".Untrue.
Here is why.For "Serpent" to be alive he must have ancestors and for him to have descendants he must marry and sow his seed,have off spring and they become descendants from him.See Gen.3.15
But you say "the serpent" and Satan are one and the same.
So my question to you is Who is Satan's wife,ancestors and descendants?By your argument Satan would be a dumb animal .And then it goes circular.Satan is the serpent and the serpent is Satan.
Beast of the field is already taken by "Serpent".
Gen.3.1 says nothing about Satan deceiving Eve,if he did it would have stated such.
Satan was not there.
----earl on 2/15/17


But I have read your posts, earl.
/Post 19...Serpent is the name of this beast of the field.\
-This is a false statement based upon false premises
/He is not acting like a serpent ,his name is Serpent.\
-This is still false, a lie.
/Satan is not described as Serpent because it was Serpent not Satan deceiving Eve.\
-Not according to devote men throughout history.
/Beast of the field is a racial slur for humans not from Adam and Eve's line of descendants\-earl on 2/13/17
Yet, the only humans on Earth at that time were A & E.
---micha9344 on 2/15/17


Post 23 And let's not forget the Samaritans who were half Israelites who the full blood Jews despised
----earl on 2/15/17


The great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceives the whole world: The dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan. Satan was indeed the serpent who beguiled Eve through his subtlety. The serpent, the snake, symbolizes cunning and wisdom. Figuratively representing Satan as the embodiment of malicious cunning. Jesus referred to the Pharisees, scribes and sadducees as serpents, a brood of vipers, of their father the devil. They and those like them are the seed of the serpent mentioned in Gen 3. He is referred to as a murderer from the beginning because His initial deception caused death. I know you disagree Earl, so who exactly do you believe the serpent to be, and why?
---joseph on 2/15/17


Post 24. Micha .You posted too soon without reading my posts. Refer to post 22 and 23. It is the acts of the beast that tells the truth.
----earl on 2/15/17




earl, your conclusion is wrong, which means your premise is most likely wrong as well.
LXX reads 'o de ophis.'
Most translations read 'and the serpent' or 'now the serpent.'
Vulgate: 'sed et serpens.'
Even the Textus Recepticus in 2Co 11:3, which capitalizes Eve but not the serpent reads this: 'hos ho ophis Heua exapatao'-as the serpent beguiled Eve.
-Again, you're conclusion is without merit, and, as such, so are your 21 arguments.
-We have the serpent's name, who was a liar from the beginning, Satan.
---micha9344 on 2/14/17


Post 22. Joseph, The beasts of the field ,Gentile and Goy are slowly marrying into the Jewish race as we speak and have been for a while.They are seeding the house of Judah and Israel.We have Palestinian Jew ,American Jew and etc.
Where as at one time it was forbidden under Moses law.
----earl on 2/15/17


Post 21. Joseph, refer to post 7.
The Jewish historians did not differentiate between animals and humans who were not Adam and Eve's seed /descendants or unclean people.See post 10
To gauge who is who or what regardless of the Hebrew translation you present is when we recognize in a verse that a beast is functioning as a human then it is a human not an animal,just like Serpent deceiving Eve.
The act (what did this beast do)tells the truth not translation when it comes to the racial slur beast.Post 13 is where beasts were denying God.Animals have no concept of God,only man does.Translation is hit or miss but the act tells all.
----earl on 2/14/17


Earl what gives you the idea that beast of the field is a racial slur? Do you actually believe that Jer.31.27 is referring to the intermarrying of man and animal? Because nothing suggest that the word beast is being used symbolically or is in any way representative any human being. The verse is seems to suggest that the LORD "will greatly increase the human population and the number of animals in Israel and Judah" The Hebrew word used in the verse is "behemah" and has no other reference other than animal. You ask "what is the seed of beasts sowing in the house of Israel and Judah?" I believe the answer would be, more beast.
---joseph on 2/14/17


{ In The original writing of the Bible there were No upper case letters }
---RichardC on 2/13/17


Post 20 .Stevenq, Jer. 31.27 Snakes cannot seed the house of Israel and Judah.
Lev.20.15-16 Snakes cannot lie with a man or woman and be charged with a capital offense.
But beasts of the field(humans) can.
I clarified Gen 3.1 and Gen 3.15 to show what the Jewish historians did and why they did it.
Satan or an animal was not deceiving Eve ,Serpent was.There is no analogy to use at Gen 3.1
----earl on 2/14/17


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Earl,
The word "serpent" is not capitalized throughout the bible.

Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.
Matthew 10:16
---Steveng on 2/13/17


Post 19 Stevenq. Gen 3.1 Serpent is a beast of the field.Serpent is the name of this beast of the field.
He is not acting like a serpent ,his name is Serpent.
Satan is not described as Serpent because it was Serpent not Satan deceiving Eve.
Beast of the field is a racial slur for humans not from Adam and Eve's line of descendants
Satan is not found at Gen 3.1,only Serpent the beast and Eve was there.
----earl on 2/13/17


Hebrews 12:29 - For our God is a consuming fire ,
---RichardC on 2/13/17


Is Jesus a chicken?

One must remember that the hebrew language is full of analogies and similes.

You wouldn't describe God as a burning bush, would you? Or a smoking pot or a flaming torch? Or Jesus being described as a chicken?

So Satan is described as a serpent. Just an analogy the way real serpents act.
---Steveng on 2/12/17


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Post 18.Here are two verses compared with the racial slur "beast".
Jer.31.27 Man and beast will someday intermarry to make up the inhabitants of Israel and Judah.
Lev.20.15-16 man or woman who lie with a beast shall both be put to death.
What is the seed of beasts sowing in the house of Israel and Judah?
Is this not the death penalty by Moses law?
And their blood shall be upon them.Does a common animal know it committed a capital offense? No
----earl on 2/11/17


Post.17 Mike. I missed that you did post saying you believe "the serpent" is "the devil".
Scratch my last post to you.

Who / what is "the devil"?
You tell me if "the devil" can adopt,mentor and father what,who ,how ,where and why.What does the bible say on these 5 .
What is the difference between "the devil" you place in the garden and any of the devils Jesus cast out?"
My reply is back to post 4 , Gen. 3.1 Serpent was a beast of the field.(did not say "the devil")
And post 7, beast of the field is a racial slur for humans not from Adam and Eve.


















----earl on 2/11/17


Post 16.Hello Mike.Who is the Serpent as this blog post asks?
Whom do you say he is?
You did not say in your last post here.
----earl on 2/11/17


Hello Earl. You make a point about "seed" and racist remarks. The Pharisees say "We have Abraham as our father," but Jesus calls them hypocrites, and "white washed walls filled with dead men's bones" and says your father is the Devil, and says beware of the "yeast" (not kosher) of Pharisees. Also people are called dogs and mutilators of the flesh and to beware of wolves. Jesus called Herod a fox. Samson calls his wife a heifer. Jesus calls the Pharisees a brood of vipers. The list goes on in Bible name calling. Can any good come out of Nazareth? All Cretans are drunks and liars. O Jerusalem, you who stone the prophets. More are the children of the barren woman. Cannot the serpent adopt, mentor, and father?
---mike4879 on 2/10/17


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Earl: I won't discuss the subject any further with you until you're willing to understand there's a vast difference between your "alternative facts" (made up) & actual FACTS/TRUTH.
---Leon on 2/11/17


Post 15.I would like any Christian thelogians,preachers and teachers to give this topic an inspection and comment on any errors you have found.
----earl on 2/10/17


Post.14 Any comments?Please do.
----earl on 2/8/17


Post 13.Beast and brute beast are also used as racial slurs describing man that is not Adam and Eves seed and equal to animals. Examples are 2 Pe.Ch 2 and Jude in "old time"-(pre flood era).
----earl on 2/8/17


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post 12.When the racist phrase "beast of the field" is lifted from Gen 3.1 it reads something like this in modern phraseology.
Now Serpent was more subtil than any of his seed.
And Gen.3.15 would read as follows "enmity between the (man )and the woman.
----earl on 2/8/17


Post 11.Jesus is not racist but he got tagged for saying a racist saying common to the Jews at that time.
Discussion of that will throw this thread off course so I wont.
----earl on 2/7/17


Isaiah 14:12 - How art thou fallen from heaven o, lucfifer , son of the morning how art thou cut down to the ground ,which didst weaken the nations !
14:13- For thou has said in thine heart I will ascend the heavens I will exalt my throne above the stars of God : I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation side of the north,
14:14 - Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the side of the pit.
14:15 - They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying,is this The Man that made the earth to tremble , that did shake kingdoms,

{ satan - or king of babylon or Both }
---RichardC on 2/7/17


... The NT makes a statement of Jesus referring to a woman as a dog because of her non Jew status.
----earl on 2/7/17

Good job Earl, it is refreshing to see your studying put to bed the ignorance that has been taught and learned for some time.
I found out that it is harder to unlearn than learn. Scriptural witnesses provided by GOD overcame the doubting Thomas in me.
Setting me free from all denominations, opinions, theory's of men.
Joh_8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

Mat_10:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Mat_15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
---Trav on 2/7/17


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Post 10.Jewish historians only recognized the descendants of Adam and Eve as man.All other humans is beasts of the field and dogs. The NT makes a statement of Jesus referring to a woman as a dog because of her non Jew status.
----earl on 2/7/17


Post.9.
Leon,
You openly said Satan is a fallen angel.
Matt. 22.30 Angels do not reproduce.Satan is out of the picture now.
Gen.3.15 Serpent reproduced after the curse. "his seed" -his descendants.
----earl on 2/6/17


Gen 3.15 post 8.There must be descendants to I.d .who is who.The descendants who hated Eve's descendants are Serpent's not Satan's. Cain is not Satan's boy. Eve said gen 4.1 I have gotten a man from the Lord. However ///Serpent, a beast of the field had ancestors to be alive and has descendants after decieving Eve.So the Gen .Serpent cannot be Satan in Rev. Nothing is said about a wife or children----earl on 2/6/17///

From beginning to end, all that you've said is squirrelly Earl.
---Leon on 2/6/17


Gen 3.15 post 8.There must be descendants to I.d .who is who.The descendants who hated Eve's descendants are Serpent's not Satan's. Cain is not Satan's boy. Eve said gen 4.1 I have gotten a man from the Lord. However Serpent, a beast of the field had ancestors to be alive and has descendants after decieving Eve.So the Gen .Serpent cannot be Satan in Rev. Nothing is said about a wife or children
----earl on 2/6/17


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///Leon - I haven't been over this for awhile, but Babylon is a metaphor for satan a man---RichardC on 2/5/17///

RC: Satan isn't a man. He's a fallen angel.

Why do you say "Babylon is a metaphor for satan"?
---Leon on 2/5/17


Leon - I haven't been over this for awhile , but Babylon is a metaphor for satan , a man ,
---RichardC on 2/5/17


///Leon - [ the Bible never says satan was like a man ? }

Isaiah 14:16 -They that see thee shall narrowly look upon , and consider thee, saying Is this the Man that made the earth to tremble , that did shake kingdoms,

Revelation 20:2 - And he had laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent , which is the devil, and satan, and bound him for a thousand years,
---RichardC on 1/29/17///

RC: It's called "comparative analysis". "The man" in Is. 14:16 is actually the "king of Babylon" previously mentioned in Is. 14:4. The Prophet Isaiah was comparing the king of Babylon to Lucifer (verse 12). Lucifer is also the dragon/serpent/devil/satan mentioned in verse 29 as well as Revelation 20:2.
---Leon on 2/5/17


///Post 7 .Interesting biblical facts about Serpent, a beast of the field. Was not seed or offspring of Adam or Eve.Gen.3.15-Hatred betw his seed and her seed. Did not farm. Gen.2.5Adam was the first. Showed human emotions of hate only humans have. Gen.3.15 Communicate with Eve. Beast of the field is a racial slur, slang as is heathen,[???], gentile and goy denoting ungodliness, unclean or non jew. If a man is not jew then a man is one of these slang words.[???]----earl on 2/4/17///

Earl: the Bible clearly shows creatures such as the beast of the field were animals, not human beings. The rest of what you said here is, put mildly, BIZARRE, ABSURD & UNFOUNDED...
---Leon on 2/5/17


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Post 7 .Interesting biblical facts about Serpent ,a beast of the field.
Was not seed or offspring of Adam or Eve.Gen.3.15-Hatred betw his seed and her seed.
Did not farm. Gen.2.5Adam was the first.
Showed human emotions of hate only humans have.Gen.3.15
Communicate with Eve.
Beast of the field is a racial slur,slang as is heathen,gentile and goy denoting ungodliness,unclean or non jew.If a man is not jew then a man is one of these slang words.
----earl on 2/4/17


Post 6.Num. 21.9 Moses put a bronze serpent on a pole to save people from dying.
So you say that people looked upon the image of
satan and lived?
----earl on 1/30/17


My exegetical views on Genesis 3:1 are literal, in other words, God created all the animals, but the serpent was the most cunning animal that He created. When Lucifer became arrogant, desiring God's throne, Lucifer (Angel of light) was thrown out of Heaven.

Now, the symbol of Satan is the serpent, though he can also embody the human form, Clearly, Satan will metamorphose himself in many forms, and according to the Bible, Satan is 'the old serpent, Dragon' mentioned in Revelation, we cannot deny what God says about Satan as a personification of the devil.

Finally, Genesis 3:1 is clear that Satan chose to take the form of the serpent (or incarnate himself in the serpent) to bring down the Fall of mankind.
---Jean_Muller on 1/29/17


Leon - [ the Bible never says satan was like a man ? }

Isaiah 14:16 -They that see thee shall narrowly look upon , and consider thee, saying Is this the Man that made the earth to tremble , that did shake kingdoms,


Revelation 20:2 - And he had laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent , which is the devil, and satan, and bound him for a thousand years,
---RichardC on 1/29/17


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Post5.Jer 31.27
This writer states both man and beast will seed Israel and Judah.
Gen 3.15 his(Serpent)(beast of the field) seed had hatred against her(Eve) seed.Only man can hate.
----earl on 1/27/17


Earl: I've attempted to reason with you based on what the Bible says. However, I won't debate or argue with you about anything written in the Bible since it would be pointless & fruitless. Believe what you want. It's your choice...
---Leon on 1/26/17


Post 4.Leon-Gen.3.1
Serpent was a beast of the field.
----earl on 1/26/17


///...If [you're] saying satan was the one who was manipulating Eve & cursed to go on his belly? We find satan. a son of God [?], in Job still a biped [?], walking around.----earl on 1/26/17///

Earl: The Bible never says Satan was, like man, a biped. To the contrary, it says he was a quadruped (cattle kind: an animal). A serpent, the same as a "quadruped dragon" (Rev. 12:7-9), is an animal.

How is it that Satan was walking in Job 2:2? Slithering is a way of walking, a form of traveling "to and fro in the earth". It's one of many ways of locomotion by which earthly creatures move about FROM PLACE-TO-PLACE. Therefore, walking in Job 2:2 actually means he was SLITHERING...
---Leon on 1/26/17


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///My position concerning this passage has always been that the serpent is the Devil.---mike4879 on 1/26/17///

Mike: You are correct, but we must always base our stand (position) on what the word of God (the Bible) says in all matters. What we think about given narratives are oftentimes wrong. We desperately need for God to explain, for our understanding, events past, present & future. Otherwise, we won't have a clue & will blindly suppose any & everything imaginable just like a great many people have done & are yet doing...
---Leon on 1/26/17


Post 2_Leon-Serpent was a beast of the field.Cattle and beast of the field or Earth are separate.Thats why there is listed the cattle and there is beasts of the earth or field
----Earl on 1/26/17


Post 3. Leon-Job states Satan was walking.Walking is walking.satan didn't get the curse.
----Earl on 1/26/17


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Earl: I don't say that. The Bible does. I agree with the Bible (word of God).

Humans are upright (vertical) bipeds having "two-legs". Cattle are vertical quadrupeds (four-footed), also upright. G3:14 classified the serpent with four-footed cattle. But, after God cursed him, he didn't have "a leg to stand on". He was at that point horizontal to the ground, lower than man & cattle (his kind) on earth.

Many people have misinterpreted Job 2 by concluding 1.) the sons of God were angels & 2.) they & Satan were in heaven with God. The sons of God were men of God. God came down to earth to inhabit the praises (worship) of His "sons" (people). Earth-bound Satan showed up also.
---Leon on 1/26/17


My position concerning this passage has always been that the serpent is the Devil.
---mike4879 on 1/26/17


Leon
If you are saying satan was the one who was manipulating Eve and cursed to go on his belly? We find satan.a son of God, in Job still a biped ,walking around .
----earl on 1/26/17


My position is I stand on what the Bible says:

///Revelation 12:7-9 New International Version (NIV)

7 Then war broke out in heaven. Michael [the Arch-Angel] and his angels fought against the dragon [the Arch-Angel Lucifer], and the dragon and his angels fought back. 8 But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. 9 The great dragon was hurled down ~ that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels [demons] with him.
---Leon on 1/25/17


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