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Jerry: "Most of them were fraudulent,multi-voters, illegal or dead." What is proof of this?
As for Electoral College, it's interesting that President Trump was vehemently opposed to it, by his admission, evidenced by multiple sources, prior to election, basically stating that the popular vote counted. However, when the numbers came in, he switched up claims. If he truly believed what he said previously, then, in a spirit of democracy, honoring that would be to decline the presidency, yielding to the will of the people. Now he claims millions of fraudulent votes. I have yet to see proof. BTW, if any sizable number of votes were fraudulent, how can any believe that only one political partys adherents would be capable of such?
---Chria9396 on 2/16/17


Jerry6593:

Nobody has shown any EVIDENCE that there were millions of fraudilent votes.

The will of the majority of individuals was thwarted by that very rule (that the state imposed via the Electoral College). Also in 2004. Juas as you said (but you probably meant Trump was cheated, not Hillary).

To keep pervert Demoncrats from looking in.

Why, if you have nothing to hide? Because people want privacy EVEN IF they aren't doing anything wrong. People with proper ID shouldn't have to prove it belongs to them with photos. What next? DNA tests?


Nicole_Lacey:

One case is not a problem. There was also a Trump woman who voted 3 times. Millions are a problem.
Again, how do you justify FLINT?
---StrongAxe on 2/16/17


StrongAxe, you really do not understand our electoral college system.

It is the fairest and makes brilliant sense to the average man but not to a dictator wannabe.

If we went by the population vote system AKA democracy, the Presidential Candidates will only go to New York City (not even all of New York state). Up and down the whole state of California and Texas. That's it.

If you live in the other 47 States you wouldn't see them in person.

They wouldn't care what you thought.

They wouldn't even consider yours suggestions.

As you said: taxes without representation.

If they're going to collect Rhode Island's taxes they need to fairly acknowledge their votes as much as they do California's votes.
---Nicole_Lacey on 2/16/17


axster: "More than 3 million INDIVIDUALS picked Hillary, yet STATE'S baroque Electoral College rule elected Trump."

Most of them were fraudulent, multi-voters, illegal or dead. And for your information, the Electoral College is defined by our UNITED STATES Constitution. It is the best system on the planet. Otherwise we would bow to the English Queen as you Canadians do. If you like that system better, why don't you go back there?


"Do you have curtains? If so, why?"

To keep pervert Demoncrats from looking in.



---Jerry6593 on 2/16/17


An illegal Peruvian lady deported because she voted twice in the Federal election using a drivers license


//Aliens promised to help us, but were just exploiting us for their advantage, with no care for us - how many large corporations behave.--- StrongAxe

WHAT? Tricking to Kill not exploiting.

Corporation are Not Governments. They are designed to make money.

Provide a service or item that is desirable.

THEY WERE NOT DEVELOP TO FULFILL NEEDS FOR FREE.

Foundations which are CHARITABLE

BTW, Corporation PROVIDES JOBS.

A job gives people independence to live freely with Government Control.

Talk about exploiting someone? Government handouts are exploitation methods
---Nicole_Lacey on 2/16/17




Jerry6593:

You wrote: Their's is a system of oppressive force against the will of the individual for the love of the State.

Exactly. More than 3 million INDIVIDUALS picked Hillary, yet STATE'S baroque Electoral College rule elected Trump.


Nicole_Lacey:

HOW MANY illegals or felons or relatives ACTUALLY voted?

PLEASE look BEYOND the pun. Aliens promised to help us, but were just exploiting us for their advantage, with no care for us - how many large corporations behave.

Forget climate change. Bureaucrats in FLINT saved a few bucks, with no thought of almost 100000 people put at grave risk, nor future administrations that would pay orders of magnitude more to clean up the fiasco than were saved.
---StrongAxe on 2/15/17


You DO need ID in the hiring process at your work.

//Many people can't take time off work to get a ride to registration office, and wait hours in line.//

If they VALUE your vote you would.

Many are willing to wait in line for concerts, ballgames, or shopping in busy holiday seasons.

They were NOT sick or elderly their WHOLE life.

MOST STATES have State agencies willing to drive to your home to provide a FREE PHOTO ID.

//Disenfranchising them on that basis is unconstitutional.---StrongAxe

Sooo, why would we require them to have photo ID for SNAP and other welfare programs?

You need ID for Obamacare.
---Nicole_Lacey on 2/15/17


Jerry6593:

Same logic works against privacy - only guilty need fear being seen. Do you have curtains? If so, why?

Most things (go to work, shop, take a bus or cab, etc.) do not need ID.

Many people can't take time off work to get a ride to registration office, and wait hours in line. Many sick or elderly don't have means or stamina to either. Disenfranchising them on that basis is unconstitutional.

When Republican officials enact policies policies that disenfranchise mostly Democratic voters, this is deliberate partisan interference. We saw this in AZ during primaries - over half of polling places were eliminated, forcing voters in mostly Democratic precincts to wait hours to vote, and many could not. Also OH in 2004.
---StrongAxe on 2/15/17


IDENTIFYING eligibility REQUIRES checking citizenship.
---StrongAxe on 2/14/17

And exactly how do you check "eligibility" if you can register to vote the day of the election?

In my state (NC) you can register to vote at the polls on the day of election. Additionally, you can vote in districts other than where you are registered. And my polling volunteers did not have one single computer in use.

BTW, we actually HAD voter fraud in our governor election in 2016. Whether you can find it now because of MSM misleading reporting is questionable. And this is not the first year for this in NC. It is almost a every-four-year problem. Raleigh is well-known for playing tricks with votes.
---Mark_Eaton on 2/15/17


One needs a photo ID for just about everything in this (US) country. An honest person has no problem showing who he is. There can only be one reason for objection to the one place it really matters who you are, i.e., the voting booth. That reason is self-evident - the intent to commit voter fraud. An honest person would admit that, but not a Demoncrat.



---Jerry6593 on 2/15/17




//voter FRAUD only happens if you ACTUALLY vote twice.//

If you are an Illegal and vote it's VOTER FRAUD.

If you have a felony record and vote it's VOTER FRAUD.

If your Trump loving grandmother died last summer, but you voted Trump on her behalf in her name it's VOTER FRAUD.

"To Serve Man":..large polluting corporations---StrongAxe

Get climate change out of your head. Twilight Zone didn't know about such things.

Watch the episode. It's a PLAY on words. 'To Serve Man' was on the book cover.

If the Earthlings asked to READ the book before ENTERING the spaceship they would have realized it was a recipe book and not a servitude book.

Speaker Pelosi got her famous line from that show.
---Nicole_Lacey on 2/14/17


//80% of Americans favor Voter ID laws. The reason they are favored is suspected voter fraud.//

The 20% of Americans who do not favor Voter ID laws are all Democrats.

The reason they are NOT in favor because they NEED voter fraud to stay in power.

//a drivers license would be registered to vote by the Secretary of States office".//

Do you remember the campaign of allowing illegals to have driver's license for the safety and protection of all citizens?

Claiming they could buy car insurance if they had driver's license, but Republicans claimed the whole law was truly designed for illegals to vote.

//Voter Fraud anyone?---Mark_Eatonon 2/14/17

Around 3 million?
---Nicole_Lacey on 2/14/17


Mark_Eaton:

The key is "suspected". Many people believe in Santa Claus too.

IDENTIFYING eligibility REQUIRES checking citizenship. Some members of Trump's team and family, were registered in multiple states (likely inadvertently, which happens to many people after they move). However, voter FRAUD only happens if you ACTUALLY vote twice. A Kansas probe into voter fraud found only a half dozen cases, prosecuted only 4.

Officials are appointed via laws made by earlier congresses that were voted on by the people (e.g. Gerald Ford).

"To Serve Man": Aliens promise to serve us, but just exploit us (i.e. lunch) without regard to our welfare - just as large polluting corporations do.
---StrongAxe on 2/14/17


Voter ID suppresses millions of legitimate votes
---StrongAxe on 2/14/17

80% of Americans favor Voter ID laws. The reason they are favored is suspected voter fraud.

In California, Gov. Moonbeam signed into law in 2015 a motor/voter bill that "Under this new law, California citizens who are identified as eligible voters when visiting the DMV to apply for, renew, or change their address on a drivers license would be registered to vote by the Secretary of States office".

Of course, no check is made to see if anyone if a citizen or not, and everyone by default is registered as a Democrat.

Voter Fraud anyone?
---Mark_Eaton on 2/14/17


StrongAxe, I paying attention in 2010.
Remember Scott Brown? Democrats refused to let him VOTE!

They PUSHED Obamacare through Budget reconciliation with the APPOINTED Mass Senator.

NOT BY THE ELECTED SENATOR BY THE PEOPLE! DIRTY TRICK!

"To Serve Man" was a play on words.

The Aliens showed a book with the title 'To Serve Man'.

The Aliens told them they were here to serve man and teach them.

But they needed any one willing to return with them to their planet to serve them.

Many agreed until some were turned away due to limited space in the space ships.

Not until they took off did a man got a hold of the book when he realized it was a RECIPE BOOK on cooking human beings.
---Nicole_Lacey on 2/14/17


Jerry6593:

In 2012 TRUMP said the Electoral college was an abomination. Voter fraud allows dozens of false votes. Voter ID suppresses millions of legitimate votes. Which does more damage?


Nicole_Lacey:

Obamacare was NOT without representation. It was enacted by CONGRESS, which YOU had a vote in selecting.

"To Serve Man" was about aliens exploiting our planet's resources without regard to its inhabitants, like large corporations do.

Even if we can't destroy the planet, it doesn't excuse us from good stewardship, e.g. Flint. Republican politicians are big on protecting fetuses before they are born, but how many children must die of lead poisoning before their lives matter too?
---StrongAxe on 2/14/17


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Nicole: I think we are getting close to the root cause of our differences with the left. Their's is a system of oppressive force against the will of the individual for the love of the State. Ours is a system of freedom of choice for the individual (within a few reasonable boundaries) while binding the State in chains (to quote Jefferson).

It is worthy to note that God's system of government is one of freedom for the individual (within 10 reasonable boundaries) while Satan's government is one of authoritarian force for the benefit of the ruler. The parallel with our political parties is most striking. Satan is in control of the Demoncrats - just look at what they stand for and how they act.



---Jerry6593 on 2/14/17


//This is the first election since I moved here where the results were as odious as they are.//

For you maybe, but 2008/2012 were very unpleasant for me.

//I have opinions on laws that affect me. "Taxation without representation" was one founding motivations for independence.//

I totally agree. Obamacare violated that founding concept for me.

//I at least be allowed to voice my opinion?//

Opinions yes, but don't make them facts.

//Climate control means being good stewards of the planet so our grandchildren will have a place to live.---StrongAxeon 2/13/17

The Right doesn't believe we are so big as being capable of destroying our plant.

It's a hoax.
---Nicole_Lacey on 2/13/17


Nicole_Lacey:

I didn't come to the U.s. to change its government. I moved here because, at the time, the company where I worked was stagnating (and laid off 3/4 of employees a week after I left), while a company here was growing rapidly, and making a difference. This is the first election since I moved here where the results were as odious as they are.

I have lived here half my life, so it's natural that I have opinions on laws that affect me. "Taxation without representation" was one founding motivations for independence. I'm not asking for the vote, but can't I at least be allowed to voice my opinion?

Climate control means being good stewards of the planet so our grandchildren will have a place to live.
---StrongAxe on 2/13/17


Jerry, I agree with everything you said.

StrongAxe, I am serious. Please answer this question:

Why would you leave the type of Government you obviously agree, to change my birth Government style?

I can't go to another Country like mine.

Can't you see that you want to control others via socialist aka light communism tactics?

ACA or climate control.

Climate control really means people control.

Our MAIN problem in this Country is the Left view of controlling others one way or another.

Ever see the 1962 Twilight Zone episode: 'To serve man'?

That's a Leftists tactic!

A BIG TRICK!
---Nicole_Lacey on 2/13/17


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//Again, with the "you ALL", painting with a broad stroke, and the implication that Democrats are not normal. I have NEVER assaulted ANYONE.---StrongAxe

Neither have I.

You seem to have a broad brush yourself:

***The reason Hillary used the (somewhat unfortunate, but also ACCURATE) term "deplorable" is NOT because the people referenced were on the right. It is because, rather than condemning specific behavior from Trump that decent people, and especially Christians, ought to UNIVERSALLY condemn, they actively praised such behavior, and even ENGAGED in it THEMSELVES...there are MANY CASES of people physically harassed and assaulted by Trump supporters--StrongAxeon 2/11/17
---Nicole_Lacey on 2/13/17


Nicole: Technically, the USA is a constitutional republic. Our system of government was devised to protect the individual - not the majority. It was enacted to protect the individual from the Government. No wonder the Demoncrats want to do away with the Constitution. Even foreigners like WeakHatchet decry our Electoral College system, favoring instead majority (mob) rule.

Our system is unique in all human history, and is the only system that preserves liberty for the individual - if we would actually follow it. The Libtards can only win through Satan's methods of lying and cheating. Why else would they so vehemently oppose voter ID?



---Jerry6593 on 2/13/17


//We are a democratic republic//

NO, NO, NO! DROP the democratic part. Simple REPUBLIC.

Allow Jerry to explain:

***A pure democracy may be described in two words - MOB RULE!--Jerry

//not a fascist state.//

Nor a Communist state.

Which both are achieved by a simple democracy.

//Note that we export "democracy" to other countries, not "republicanism".---StrongAxe

How can we export something we are not?

And no other country has achieved a Republic as us.

That's why Mobs haven't been able to overthrow our Government. Though they keep trying.

Why can't you leave this County alone?

Canada has a Democratic Government you so love.
---Nicole_Lacey on 2/12/17


Jerry6593:

Again, with the wide brush. We speak of "western democracies", even though none are strict democracies. The U.S. is spoken of as "exporting democracy", not "exporting democratic republicanism". One must frequently shorten terms to fit within 125 words. Also, I am not a Democrat, as I can express opinions but not vote.

As for actual ignorance, 45% of Americans don't know Medicare expansion is part of ACA, including 53% of Republicans. Many Republicans believe ACA is good alternative to evil Obamacare (prompting some hilarious Twitter exchanges).

If election WERE truly democratic, Hillary would have won, as 3 million more people voted for her.

I never approved mob violence.
---StrongAxe on 2/12/17


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Nicole_Lacey:

Harassing disabled people. Grabbing women by the "felines". Attacking people solely because they are LGBT or aren't white. None of these things are acceptable.

A handful of deplorable celebrities is orders of magnitude smaller than hundreds or thousands of deplorable sycophants.

If the black Trump supporter story is false, it damages your point, not mine.

"You all" lumps ALL Democrats into one lawless bunch. Note I qualified my remark - not ALL Republicans or Trump supporters are deplorables, just some of them.

Yes, We are a democratic republic, not a fascist state. Note that we export "democracy" to other countries, not "republicanism".
---StrongAxe on 2/11/17


Nicole: "BTW, we are a REPUBLIC not a Democracy!"

Thank you, thank you, thank you. Democrats are so ignorant that they don't even know our form of government. A pure democracy may be described in two words - MOB RULE! And apparently, that's how they've been reacting to having lost a fair and DEMOCRATIC election - like a MOB of DEPLORABLES.

And any alleged "Christian" who stands with a riotous, murdering, thieving MOB is NOT a Strong Axe, but rather a Weak Hatchet at best.



---Jerry6593 on 2/12/17


Nicole_Lacey:

You wrote: NOT TRUE. Cite one

Yes, true. Google: disabled child trump rally for several examples: J. J. Holmes and Jennifer Mau.

Using an F bomb may be crude, but it's nowhere nearly as bad as PHYSICALLY assaulting people because of their race, political beliefs, sexuality, religion, or nationality.

Democrats would have nothing to gain to truthfully boast of 2 black men beating up a black Trump supporter, so why would they claim so falsely? That makes no sense.

It's you all assaulting NORMAL people over an election.

Again, with the "you ALL", painting with a broad stroke, and the implication that Democrats are not normal. I have NEVER assaulted ANYONE.
---StrongAxe on 2/12/17


NOT TRUE. Cite one, StrongAxe? What about the nasty deplorable words used by celebrities at Hillary's rallies?

Hillary stood there smiling as they kept using the F bomb and N word over and over. Where were the civilities?

You left out the word 'FALSE' in front of the word 'cases of abuse'. All claims by Democrats:

But allow me to cite true cases: Alabama kid beaten up because he was a Trump supporter.

Chicago White disable man beaten for 2 days/made to speak against Trump.

Black man beaten by 2 Black men because he supported Trump.

Many more in riots assaulted on Camera by Democrats.

It's you all assaulting NORMAL people over an election.

BTW, we are a REPUBLIC not a Democracy!
---Nicole_Lacey on 2/11/17


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//Wah wah... If you bothered to spend any time on on your own you would have found it.//

Are you losing it?

Do you submit the same kind of nonsense for your tax records?

If you claim you have $2500 worth of business expense to the IRS, do you submit Disneyland tickets as proof in an audit?

Do you understand when asked to cite your source it has to be a connection?

I DIDN'T FIND ANY PIPELINE ASSOCIATION TO TRUMP AS YOU CLAIMED. NEITHER NASA/NOAA.

//I have never seen anyone whine and carry on as much of you.--NurseRoberton 2/10/17

And I have never seen an unprepared Leftist as you when it comes to debating.

Don't waste my time.

StrongAxe, you are not.
---Nicole_Lacey on 2/11/17


Jerry6593:

The reason Hillary used the (somewhat unfortunate, but also accurate) term "deplorable" is NOT because the people referenced were on the right. It is because, rather than condemning specific behavior from Trump that decent people, and especially Christians, ought to universally condemn, they actively praised such behavior, and even engaged in it themselves. This does not refer to all Republicans or Trump supporters, but sadly there are many like this. To this day, there are many cases of people physically harassed and assaulted by Trump supporters using excuses like "we won, losers, so now this behavior is acceptable". The strong assaulting the weak is typical in fascism, NOT a civilized democracy.
---StrongAxe on 2/11/17


---Nicole_Lacey on 2/10/17

Wah wah wah... If you bothered to spend any time on on your own you would have found it.

I have never seen anyone whine and carry on as much of you.
---NurseRobert on 2/10/17


Nicole & John: Thank you for your defense of me to Rob. I had previously stated my educational certification on CN as a graduate from USF, Tampa and my career in the Defense/Aerospace Industry. I guess Rob must have missed it. But again, it's the facts - the content that's important, not the training.

I think that Rob suffers from any of a variety of left-wing derangements that cause unbalanced, antisocial behavior and character deformation. Just look at the childish reaction to their having been made a "basket of" losers - deplorable (to quote HRC).

Lefties are always on the wrong side, be it waterboarding of enemy combatants, oil pipelines, law and order or Biblical exegesis.



---Jerry6593 on 2/11/17


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//google Trump Personal financial disclosure form pdf you will find it.---NurseRobert

If you cited correctly we wouldn't have wasted time.

It is OGE form 278e (March 2014) OMB NO. (3209-0001) US Office of Government Ethics 5 C.F.R Part 2634. Trump

Formerly SF 278. WSJ also posted it.

That's how you cite a Government form.

1. I asked for NASA and NOAA source which you STILL REFUSED to give them.

2. You jumped to the above citation of Trump to pretend he as Buffett has stock in the Dakota Keystone Pipeline.

The 94 pages of the above citation DOESN'T point to any dealings with the pipeline as you claim.

Give page no. of the PDF proving a connection with the pipeline because there isn't any.
---Nicole_Lacey on 2/10/17


you need to BACK IT UP.
---Nicole_Lacey on 2/9/17

Now you're just being obtuse. I did back it up, you chose to either refuse to believe it or are incapable of using the internet.

One last time..

The Form name is "Executive Branch Personnel Public Disclosure Report (OEG Form 278e). It is required by the US office of Government Ethics

If you google Trump Personal financial disclosure form pdf you will find it.

At this point, it now longer matters what you think. I do not believe you even attempted to find this, or if your did, you are denying. All you are showing is your stubborn ignorance.
---NurseRobert on 2/10/17


Steveng, not all turns to PDF.

It is better to say the Government USES PDF for some of it's items. It is STILL has a Government Government title and name given by the Federal Government themselves not by the public as NurseRobert thinks

Trump's file given by NurseRobert isn't a Government file but a bogus one trying to make people THINK it is Government issued forms.

//All you have to do is look.//

No, I am the one making a bogus statement.

I can't find a Government BOGUS form. No such thing.

//If you look hard enough you will find one on every member of the President's (Obama and Trump) cabinet.---Robert

Yes, a REAL ONE not a bogus one.

You MADE the statement you need to BACK IT UP.
---Nicole_Lacey on 2/9/17


//Nicole, if you knew what I experienced on the D.M.Z. in Korea and what I saw you would scream.//

The cold you endured would be enough to make me scream.

My grandfather received the purple heart in the Korean war.
Cecil Willie Lacey

He refused to tell us why he got the medal. Nor told us anything about the war.

Can I go to a website for details on the Purple Heart?

//I thank God I received only one minor wound.---Robon 2/7/17

I thank God as well.

I believe all wounded Soldiers should be 100% service connection no matter how minor the wound.

Thank you again for service.

FREEDOM ISN'T FREE
---Nicole_Lacey on 2/7/17


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//Rob, you love education.
---Nicole_Lacey on 2/5/17
Obviously you do to, Nicole_Lacey.//

WRONG, NOPE and WILL NOT DO AGAIN.

BUT I LOVE WORKING as a Nurse,

//..blindly accept that Jerry is a "physicist",//

Late to the debate.

Rob has doubted my profession MANY times on CN solely because of my grammar and spelling, Jerry not once.

Yet Rob NEVER explained his precise involvement in Orthopedics.

I blindly accepted you as a nurse.

Besides, I only go after Rob when he attacks someone else.

//You need to be careful about questioning the education status of others.---NurseRobert

No YOU NEED to figure out what's going on before you judge someone. Matthew 7:1
---Nicole_Lacey on 2/7/17


Nicole, if you knew what I experienced on the D.M.Z. in Korea and what I saw you would scream.

I thank God I received only one minor wound.
---Rob on 2/7/17


NurseRobert, you are correct. I worked with Doctors and Nurses who were brilliant and I'm thankful for what I learned from them. There were also those who were dumb and dangerous.

I don't want this to be demeaning towards Nicole because she may be a good Nurse .

I went to a V.A. Hospital once and never went back again. Thank God I have private hea!th insurance and can choose my Doctors.
---Rob on 2/6/17


It's kind of funny. I went back to school to study Orthopedics to get out of Combat Units. Yet I was always assigned to Combat Hospitals.
---Rob on 2/6/17


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Nicole_Lacey:

NurseRobert didn't say anything about moderators. He shouldn't have to. People who post on the blogs should be able to read, and know what the topics are. Posts that are slightly off-topic are unavoidable, as people frequently say things in passing that require clarification and/or challenge. Unfortunately, many people get off on long involved tangents about such things so that the original discussion is totally lost.
---StrongAxe on 2/6/17


//can someone tell me how the last 10-15 posts have anything to do with waterboarding?---NurseRoberton 2/6/17

REALLY?

Are you a Moderator now?

Can you show me 3 blogs with more than 20 postings ONLY speaking on topic?

Most blogs on CN with 'on topic headings' are dead within the first 15 postings.

Or are you claiming the Moderator who released the blogs didn't know they were OFF TOPIC?
---Nicole_Lacey on 2/6/17


NurseRobert:

I wrote: It is ever permissible to do something wrong to achieve a good end? If so, it's acceptable to waterboard in a good cause - and to lie, cheat, steal, and murder. This can be a very slippery slope. The Ten Commandments don't say "Thou shalt not steal - unless you need to. Thou shalt not commit adultery - unless there are extenuating circumstances."

Things degraded into a discussion of attacking foreign soil vs. protecting own soil, and what is justified in doing so (unrelated to the topic - like most other blogs eventually get).

Is it acceptable to deny someone else safety to ensure your own? Paul said the opposite - he was willing to give up his salvation if others could be saved.
---StrongAxe on 2/6/17


//You are never to old to learn. I have a lady friend who received her Doctorate a few years ago, and she is now 104 years old.---Robon 2/6/17

Good for her.

My grandmother only went to the 6th grade but she always put me to shame with her grammar or spelling and most of all knowledge of life.

My other grandmother couldn't read or write but she was very wise.
---Nicole_Lacey on 2/6/17


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This is so interesting... can someone tell me how the last 10-15 posts have anything to do with waterboarding?
---NurseRobert on 2/6/17


Rob, I never said you claim to be a Surgeon. You won't deny it when asked.

You are still vague.

I gave you my specific degree.

Because just saying I'm nurse can mean either I am LPN, RN but as a RN I can have a bachelor, masters degree or I can be a nurse practitioner.
I can have a doctorate in teaching.

I really don't care. But for someone who is so fixated about other people's education you are very vague in explaining your own specific degree.

The words that is on your diploma.

You don't have to tell us but please stop putting others down just because you think they don't have a formal education.

Education doesn't make a man.

Their dignity comes from God alone, not from a diploma.
---Nicole_Lacey on 2/6/17


//Nicole, you didn't mention before I went back to school for Orthopedics I was Combat Medic on the front line.//

Yes I did. You said you were in the Army

//we know your career was the Army.---Nicole_Lacey//

//you didn't thank me for my service and risking my life.//

I am sorry. I LOVE ALL VETERANS.

You are CORRECT! Anyone who is willing to dodge a bullet for me deserves my respect!

//What about Jerry? Was he a DRAFT DODGER?--Rob

??? Why would assume that?

How do you know they drafted him in the first place?

My father was drafted from Puerto Rico. He served 20 years.

My mom was in Army for 19 months when she was discharged due to her pregnancy as the rule in 1966
---Nicole_Lacey on 2/6/17


Nicole an Orthopaedic Specialist is eight years of schooling A Surgeon is twelve years. I never claimed to be a Surgeon.
---Rob on 2/6/17


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By the way Nicole you are correct in saying I love education. I believe a person should receive all the education they can. I even went back to college for another degree when I was in my 40's for Computer Networking and that was a long time ago. You are never to old to learn. I have a lady friend who received her Doctorate a few years ago, and she is now 104 years old.
---Rob on 2/6/17


Rob, you love education.

---Nicole_Lacey on 2/5/17

Obviously you do to, Nicole_Lacey. I find it interesting that you are beating up on Rob about his education, but blindly accept that Jerry is a "physicist", but he never explained just what his degree is? An undergraduate in applied Physics? MSc, MPhil, MPhys or MSci?

Education is just a bunch of letters. BTW, I have a BSN and an MPA/health care. I have known RNs that are brilliant, and I have known some that are dumb as rocks. I also know LPNs that could run circles around RNs. You need to be careful about questioning the education status of others.
---NurseRobert on 2/6/17


Nicole, you didn't mention before I went back to school for Orthopedics I was Combat Medic on the front line.

It was not fun and you didn't thank me for my service and risking my life.

What about Jerry? Was he a DRAFT DODGER?
---Rob on 2/5/17


Rob, you love education.

I have told you over and over that I am a RN with an Associate degree in Science of Nursing.

Jerry told us again that he is a Physicist.

Rob, for some reason you REFUSE to tell us your precise degree of Education.

Not a career because we know your career was the Army. Now for me a career is just as good or BETTER than an education.

Some people have a degree without a career, while others have a career without a degree.

Which of the two do you think puts MONEY into your pocket?

It's the career no matter what type of career.

You claim you dealt in Orthopedics before you retired.

But refuse to explain your Educational degree of Orthopedics.

Now you can.
---Nicole_Lacey on 2/5/17


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Jerry6593: If America is strong, why would Trump NEED to "MAKE America Great Again"?
---StrongAxe on 2/1/17

Strongaxe,

I think what Jerry means is conservatives see America as being strong and Trump will help in preserving/maintaining that strength.
---john9346 on 2/3/17


//Jerry6593: If America is strong, why would Trump NEED to "MAKE America an in at Again"?---StrongAxeon 2/1/17

Jerry, may I?

StrongAxe, we are STRONG enough to make America Great Again.

It takes a strong mind, will, determination, but most of all: Trust in the Almighty God!
---Nicole_Lacey on 2/2/17


Secret Service tells the President where he has to move.

They are the ones who MAPPED the area for evacuation not Bush.

//I never said anything about the president exposing his torso.//

If the President takes the lead for even a split second it takes Secret Service to immediately get in front of him means he is exposing his torso for a Sniper bullet.

//do you think the SS tells Melania to live in the Trump Tower? No. She CHOOSES to live there, and they follow.--StrongAxe

No she is trapped in Trump Tower as if in the White House.
She can NO LONGER jump out of bed to go outside as she wishes.

Secret Service MUST first SECURED OUTSIDE before she can go outside.

Which BTW take 20 minutes or more.
---Nicole_Lacey on 2/1/17


Nicole_Lacey:

If the president gets up and moves, his bodyguards will IMMEDIATELY move in front of him.

I never said anything about the president exposing his torso. Why are you reading so much between the lines? 3/4 of your message is tearing apart a straw man - something I never said!

The security team did not tell him to stay put for 20 minutes. They are there at HIS beck and call. HE tells them where he wants to go, and THEY make sure it's safe. But HE just sat there for 20 minutes.

Today, do you think the SS tells Melania to live in the Trump Tower? No. She CHOOSES to live there, and they follow.


Jerry6593: If America is strong, why would Trump NEED to "MAKE America Great Again"?
---StrongAxe on 2/1/17


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//If the President gets up to leave, his security detail will follow. If it's not safe, they will TELL him to stay put.//

I see you watch powerful people walk in public.

Security Detail walks in front side, sides and behind the person they are protecting.

Why in the world would you think the President front exposing his whole torso for anyone to make it a bulleye target?

If the crazy Hollywood people have body guards are in front of them why wouldn't the most powerful man in the world?

Even the Pope has people telling him where to walk and when NOT to walk.

//He just sat there oblivious for 20 minutes.---StrongAxeon 1/31/17

Because he obeyed the Security men. He does not he god like Obama
---Nicole_Lacey on 1/31/17


Nicole: To use a Hollywood metaphor (so that the Libtards can understand), we Conservatives see America as a strong, red-blooded action hero like John Wayne, while the Libs see Her as a wimpy, effeminate Woody Allen.


---Jerry6593 on 2/1/17


Nicole_Lacey:

You wrote: StrongAxe, that's not how it works. Presidents are not FREE to walk where they wish.

If the President gets up to leave, his security detail will follow. If it's not safe, they will TELL him to stay put. That did not happen. He just sat there oblivious for 20 minutes.
---StrongAxe on 1/31/17


//NOT wait 20 minutes first.//

StrongAxe, that's not how it works. Presidents are not FREE to walk where they wish.

You wanted Bush to run out before Security?

We pay those mens for a reason. To PROTECT THE PRESIDENT

//Do you REALLY think Clintion's people told Bush people: Then how do YOU know they knew?//

Intel and finally verified with Bin Laden's journals.

//terrorists oblige their victims by informing them of the time and location of attacks,//

What part of spying do you not understand?

They tell there buddies the time and location.
Do you realize that plots didn't not happen because of our good undercover people.

Other Countries tried to WARNS us about the Tsarnaev brothers
---Nicole_Lacey on 1/29/17


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Nicole_Lacey:

No. He was in a known location, so his security was at risk. He should have excused himself and left the moment he was informed, NOT wait 20 minutes first.

Do you REALLY think Clintion's people told Bush people:

Then how do YOU know they knew?

StrongAxe, wherever the Terriorist plans an attack!

Of course, terrorists oblige their victims by informing them of the time and location of attacks, so they can be prepared ahead of time. NOT.

But the PC U.N. doesn't want to acknowledge it.

By using the pejorative "PC", does this mean you think ISIS DESERVES a vote in the UN?
---StrongAxe on 1/29/17


//When told about attacks, he kept reading for 20 minutes before finally being evacuated out.//

Do you see how your correction explains what REALLY HAPPENED.

What did you want Bush to do?
Rock back and forth screaming to frigthen the children?

Bush behaved as a Man. Calm and collected.
Secret Service men needed time to evacuate the President SAFETY.

//If the government KNEW during Clinton years, why did Bush fail to act on that intel?---StrongAxeon 1/29/17

Do you REALLY think Clintion's people told Bush people:

"Here's the terrorist intelligence we ignored for the last 8 years? We hope you can do somthing with it because we couldn't."
---Nicole_Lacey on 1/29/17


StrongAxe, wherever the Terriorist plans an attack!

Israel has been fighting Islamic terror since 1947.

Where do you think they post their soldiers? ALL OVER

Using Spies as of old as all Countries. Now with Internet usage.

Remember England lost the war to America because King George III fought the old way. In ROLL formation.

All because that's the way wars were fought by clivilized people in his mind.

Washington DID NOT! I am not saying Washington wasn't clivilized.

You CAN'T fight clivilized with people who refused to be clivil!

BTW, ISIS does have a country NOW with TOTAL Control.

But the PC U.N. doesn't want to acknowledge it.

HEADS IN THE SAND! BUT NOT TRUMP'S HEAD!
---Nicole_Lacey on 1/29/17


mike4879:

Waterboarding is where a victim is strapped to a table, a cloth over his face, and water poured over it. It feels like drowning. It's as inhumane as other torture techniques, but leaves no marks, allowing torturers to do it illegally without fear of discovery.


Nicole_Lacey:

Again, there is no front. There is no place an army can stand to defend against a terrorist attack. Please tell me where you would station soldiers to stop the next one. Good luck with that.

Bush was reading a book to Florida school children on 9/11. When told about attacks, he kept reading for 20 minutes before finally being evacuated out.

If the government KNEW during Clinton years, why did Bush fail to act on that intel?
---StrongAxe on 1/29/17


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Yes! All is fair in war. Make no mistake, we ARE at war. We did not start the war, but Islam has declared war on us. Our last POTUS refused to acknowledge the enemy as such, and even seemed to be on their side. But there's a new sheriff in town now, and the tide will again turn in our favor.


---Jerry6593 on 1/29/17


Strong Axe,

Thank you for clarifying and for correcting my misunderstanding of waterboarding. I have heard the term on TV and unhesitantly used by TRUMP. I thought it meant to torture and kill the families of some of the terrorists to send back a message to the terrorists so in as much as terrorists may hide, their families are found and punished. Thank you for the correction.
---mike4879 on 1/28/17


//An army defending its own soil does not apply to 9/11 - army did not surround WTC.//

Al-Qaeda is that army and Bin Laden was her General. The Army didn't surround WTC it went through them!

//Military retaliation against ISIS..are not on American soil,//

Where have you been in the last 3 years? ISIS Soldiers are attacking on our soil NOW.

//Reading a story to children for 20 minutes after being told the WTC was attacked.//

That's a Democrat lie and you know it. Shame on you.

Anywho, at least Bush didn't stick his head in the sand for 8 years like Cliniton.

//If so, why didn't Bush administration heed them?---StrongAxe

He did. He only needed to be attack ONCE to jump into action.
---Nicole_Lacey on 1/28/17


Nicole_Lacey:

An army defending its own soil does not apply to 9/11 - army did not surround WTC. Military retaliation against ISIS (which didn't exist then) are not on American soil, but thousands of miles away.

Bush did a good job.

Reading a story to children for 20 minutes after being told the WTC was attacked isn't "a good job". Neither does flying into a rage and declaring "Operation Infinite Justice". Justice is commensurate - revenge is infinite.

We has plenty of warnings/attacks during Clinton's Administration.

If so, why didn't Bush administration heed them? Maybe they did - Condaleeza Rice warned Mayor of San Francisco not to fly that day. I wonder what she knew...
---StrongAxe on 1/28/17


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Just because attacks does not come from one country doesn't mean they are not military.

They are under one religious holy war. ISIS. Islam is part of their name.
Using Military jets, guns and tanks.

//These aren't the kind of attacks that military force can do anything to stop.//

43 Bush did a good job.

//Shooting at or bombing the two towers would not have stopped them from coming down.---StrongAxe

Wrong! We has plenty of warnings/attacks during Clinton's Administration.

Remember Oliver North WARNED the Senate in 1987 of Bin Laden pending attack on US soil in the near future at the Iran-Contra Hearings.

And guess who returned a smart response to North? Senator Al Gore.

Google it.
---Nicole_Lacey on 1/28/17


WIVV:

These are terrorist attacks, not military attacks. These aren't the kind of attacks that military force can do anything to stop. Shooting at or bombing the two towers would not have stopped them from coming down. Our armed forces haven't had to fight foreign enemies on home soil for a very long time.


Nicole_Lacey:

Attacking any of our Embassies counts such as our soil.

Technically, but not logicstically.

What about those Iranian rafts attacking our Ships for the last 4 years?

Again, NOT on home soil, or U.S. waters.
---StrongAxe on 1/28/17


StrongAxe, Wivv is correct because ISIS takes credit for these attacks.

But Wivv left out other invasions on our soil and military installations.

Attacking any of our Embassies counts such as our soil: Benghazi, Lybia and Egypt at the same time.
Al-Qaeda l claimed some attacks such on Kenya killing 223 people and injuring 4000 in 1998.

Many others since 1960's killing more than 343 people and injuring thousands of people.

Remember the U.S. Cole in 2000? 1993 Trade attack?

United States minds her own business, but many evil people will not mind their own business.

What about those Iranian rafts attacking our Ships for the last 4 years?
---Nicole_Lacey on 1/27/17


Strong Ax: What do you call destroying the Towers in NY or the various attacks in various states like Boston, Texas, California, etc. While it's true no formal name has been given to these attacks, it's still war.
---WIVV on 1/27/17


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mike4879:

Not at all. Waterboarding is a form of torture used to extract information under duress. Killing someone does not extract information, especially killing thousands of random people you don't know.

Nukes DID end a war and were justified - the death toll was calculated for the bombings, and also for a protracted war. The protracted war would have caused more deaths in the long run.

This is your area of the planet. This is ours.

True. However, ISIS areas U.S. and Russia are bombing are NOT on U.S. or Russian soil. "This is ours" doesn't cover it. The U.S. hasn't fought a war on its own soil in a century and a half, and a foreign invasion on its own soil in longer than that.
---StrongAxe on 1/27/17


Many are not aware that our own special service military are waterboard themselves.

As far as it being justifed I don't know.

I guess not
---Nicole_Lacey on 1/27/17


The bombing at Hiroshima and Nagasaki were a form of waterboarding. That waterboarding ended a war. Did we need to bomb Hiroshima and Nagasaki? The war had turned to our favor and was approaching conclusion. Was the TRUE MESSAGE behind the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki to Russia? The whole world got the message. Teddy Roosevelt once said to walk quietly and carry a big stick. One flag says, DON'T TREAD ON ME. I do not feel comfortable with waterboarding. I think drone warfare should be done against ISIL. The patriarch David was thorough in many raids and left no survivors. I don't think everything is right. But at times, solutions are in question. I wish there was a truce where it is agreed: This is your area of the planet. This is ours.
---mike4879 on 1/27/17


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