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What is the difference between singing from a hymnal and praying from a book?

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Pardon the typo..the word is "imputed" .

We are justified by His BLOOD and saved BY HIS LIFE. No man has the power to forgive sin, but GOD through Jesus Christ and HIS shed blood. Even the High priests in the OT knew the blood of bulls and goats only COVERING SIN, as God instructed until the Messiah came. They never claimed to forgive sin either.

The Pharisees thought Jesus a blasphemer because He was forgiving sin. Jesus said all power is given me of the Father to forgive sin. This is stated through out the gospels. They wanted to kill Jesus then, stating ONLY GOD CAN FORGIVE SIN. They wanted to kill Jesus because they thought Jesus was saying HE IS GOD, ....... And HE IS.
---kathr4453 on 2/23/17


Romans 3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God,


Actually Nicole, YES only God can forgive sin. No one can IMPURE righteousness to,anyone but God. It's whenYOU have placed your faith in Jesus Christ who died for your sin and rose again for your justification.

Have you been justified Nicole? That is something your church or popes or fathers have no power to do.

If the only thing you know is confession.....and you have never been justified....the Bible..God said you were Lost.

Believe God Nicole, not man or books....believe God.
---kathr4453 on 2/23/17


//John 20:23 says RETAIN, not forgiven.//

All the translations has 'forgiven'.

As usual you give us your OPINION.

//And the original Greek is not forgiven either.//

What is it?

Besides the ORIGINAL language is Aramaic.

//scripture telling us only GOD can forgive sin.//

Give ONE stating ONLY God FORGIVES sins?

I have 3 saying you are wrong: Matthew 6:14, 18:22 and Ephesians 4:32

I could go on but some of us are LIMITED to 125 words.

//Retain...an altogether different issue.//

So is detain but NO ONE is using that word but you.

//All truths come in 2-3 back up scripture.--kathr4453

Like your FAMOUS sinner's prayer?
---Nicole_Lacey on 2/22/17


Nicole, John 20:23 says RETAIN, not forgiven. And the original Greek is not forgiven either.

So is that an RCC reinterpretation of this verse, that most folks think God gave the RCC the authority to forgive or not forgive sin? WRONG!

We have hundreds and hundreds of scripture telling us only GOD can forgive sin. Even Peter makes that statement. So even Peter never believed RETAIN meant forgive.

Retain...an altogether different issue.

But if you want to believe it means forgive...then please find at least 2 to 3 supporting witness scripture to know this is what God meant. All truths come in 2-3 back up scripture.
---kathr4453 on 2/22/17


//what bothers you is scripture exposes the RCC.//

You haven't given ONE SCRIPTURE backing up you FALSE CLAIMS on the Catholic Church.

//You keep making offensive statements against scripture itself,//

IMPOSSIBLE since you gave none

//You are instructed to pray so many Our Father//

BY JESUS HIMSELF. OUR LORD AND SAVIOR!

//so many Hail Mary's according to what level of sin you Have committed,//

LIES, GIVE CCC#

BACK UP YOUR WORDS!

//you confessed to a priest-- Kathr

JOHN 20:23

***"If you forgive anyone his sins, they are forgiven, if you withhold forgiveness from anyone, it is withheld."

--- Jesus' WORDS Sweetie, not the Catholic Church.
---Nicole_Lacey on 2/22/17




Exodus 13:19King James Version (KJV)

19 And Moses took the bones of Joseph with him: for he had straitly sworn the children of Israel, saying, God will surely visit you, and ye shall carry up my bones away hence with you.

Joseph prophecied that God would surely visit Israel while in Egypt and fulfill his promise in taking them to the promise land. After all, it was already prophecied that it would be 400 years from the time God promised this to Abraham. And Joseph WANTED to be buried in the promise land...not Egypt.

If you think that Gives you permission to dig up,and venerate the bones of anyone , Peter or anyone....talk about TWISTING SCRIPTURE? YUCK! How perverted is that?
---kathr4453 on 2/22/17


Just to clarify....pardon the typo.

We pray only to the Father IN HEAVEN through Jesus Christ. If we confess our sin, He is faithful and just to forgive our sin, and cleanse us from all unrighteousness...and that is because of the already shed blood. The blood of Jesus cleanses us from all unrighteousness. Jesus does not also need our money either to advocate for us regarding sin or anything else. We also,don't need to lite so many candles, or say so many Our Fathers or Hail. Mary's for pentance.

And praying the Lord's Prayer was never said to be prayed as a form of pentance in the first place.
And if one wants to say it does...where is any MONEY stated you have to pay before praying this prayer?
---kathr4453 on 2/22/17


//Interestingly enough, when Moses died, what did God do with Moses bones SO THAT that would not be done with Moses bones?//

You FORGOT about Joseph's bones

EXODUS 13:19

***Moses took the BONES of Joseph with him, for he had made the sons of Israel solemnly swear, saying, "God will surely take care of you, and you shall carry my BONES from here with you."

//We see through scripture how God feels about such things, and again SCRIPTURE EXPOSES//

So WHY DID MOSES TAKE THE BONES OF JOESPH AND BLAME GOD?

//We see no such practice in scripture under the Law or NT church.--kathr4453

It's in Exodus 13:19

READ IT
---Nicole_Lacey on 2/22/17


Nicole, what bothers you is scripture exposes the RCC. You keep making offensive statements against scripture itself, and by my DEFENDING scripture it exposes the false doctrines of the RCC. Can't be helped. You are instructed to pray so many Our Father and so many Hail Mary's according to what level of sin you Have committed, you confessed to a priest and not man. It's hard not to openly discuss that no such thing is required in SCRIPTURES. That only comes from your ADDED books of man. It's NOT the Gospel. And neither is venerating saints, or kissing the toe of a statue of someone made to look like Peter.

When WE want to say this is not the Gospel, YOU HISS and BITE and SCRATCH those on line who challenge that doctrine.
---kathr4453 on 2/22/17


Mike, yes the RCC says they have the bones of Peter, and my understanding is they were on display at one time so all could venerate them.

Interestingly enough, when Moses died, what did God do with Moses bones SO THAT that would not be done with Moses bones?

We see through scripture how God feels about such things, and again SCRIPTURE EXPOSES the horrible heathen practices of the RCC.

There are actually heathen tribes who dig up the bones of their dead year after year, to venerate, and dance around.....

We see no such practice in scripture under the Law or NT church.
---kathr4453 on 2/22/17




//I am sure that some of his body parts could be there//

Who are your talking about?

//as Catholics do venerate the saints--mike4879 on 2/19/17

GOD BLESS MIKE FOR USING THE CORRECT WORD.

Venerate not Worship or Adore which only belongs to God.
---Nicole_Lacey on 2/21/17


There will be a Kingdom on earth, one where one will have to poke out an eye, or cut off a hand to enter in, if that hand or eye offend.

But the Kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, the one we have ALREADY been translated into, when we were raised up together with Him, requires no such action. The reason is when we are crucified with Christ, every part of our old man DIED WITH CHRIST.

Paul in Galatains reprimands those who came in teaching the earthly kingdom, he called ANOTHER GOSPEL. So I know based on scripture Paul did not pray the Lord's Prayer....not even once a month.
---kathr4453 on 2/21/17


//I care that scripture needs two to three witness scriptures to back up.//

That doesn't APPLY to JESUS

Jesus is the WORD. Not Peter or Paul.

You are NOT ALLOWED to cancel Jesus WORD with Peter or Paul's words or non words.

//So SWEETY,// 2nd time. Don't get mad later claiming it's demeaning to your age group.

//let's let God be the judge in the end of what HE CARES ABOUT, NOT YOU. I only care about what the Lord cares about//

Okay Sugar Plum

//we are not of the same faith Nicole..DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT?
--Kathr4453

Yes, but you seem to believe you are an expert on the Catholic Church.

If I am Catholic you are NOT!

DO YOU UNDERSTAND YOU ARE NOT CATHOLIC THUS NOT AN EXPERT?
---Nicole_Lacey on 2/21/17


I know you don't Nicole, you don't care about anything in scripture. You only care about what man has written apart from Scripture and idols and IKONS and Magic color candles , whatever. We know what you do and do not care about. You've made your beliefs LOUD AND CLEAR. However I CARE. And unlike YOU, I care to rightly divide the word of truth. I care that scripture needs two to three witness scriptures to back up.

So SWEETY, let's let God be the judge in the end of what HE CARES ABOUT, NOT YOU. Ok. I only care about what the Lord cares about.

I could care less what YOU think or think is important apart from scripture. we are not of the same faith Nicole..DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT?
---kathr4453 on 2/21/17


//This prayer was NOT said twice daily by Paul ....I can guarantee that.//

OKAY GUARANTEE IT NOW!

//And Peter makes No mention of saying this prayer or suggesting anyone say it. Not even to ADD to ones faith in 2 Peter 1.---kathr4453 on 2/7/17

WHAT?

I can't believe I missed this one.

Kathr, who is your God: Jesus or Peter?

Who died on the cross for you?

Who has more wisdom Jesus or Peter?

I don't care if Peter never mention it.

I wouldn't have care Peter never wrote an epistle.

I don't care what Peter did, said, wrote or how he prayed.

If Jesus said it, is good enough for me!

Why isn't is a good enough for you?
---Nicole_Lacey on 2/21/17


...He gave an outline on HOW to pray, not WHAT to say.---kathr4453 on 2/7/17.

Mat 6:9 After this manner therefore pray ye:

Our Father which art in heaven,
Hallowed be thy name.
Thy kingdom come.
Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread. And
forgive us our debts,
as we forgive our debtors. And
lead us not into temptation, but
deliver us from evil: For
thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever.

Amen.
---aservant on 2/21/17


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I am sure that some of his body parts could be there as Catholics do venerate the saints.
---mike4879 on 2/19/17


//Much like saying Peter was in Rome, which he wasn't.//

How do you know Peter was NEVER in ROME?

//The church fathers wrote about men,//

They wrote about Jesus. Cite a Church Father talking about men and NOT JESUS? ONE?

Church Fathers are men who lived within the next 5 centuries after Biblical documented men.

//says the apostles prayed the Lord's Prayer 3 times a day..//

Is there SOMETHING WRONG with praying the Lord's Prayer 3 times a day?

Does Kathr have a CAP LIMIT on how many times one can pray the Lord's Prayer?

//when I hear stuff like that, I have no interest in ever wanting to read that stuff.---kathr

God forbid the Apostles prayed the Lord's Prayer more than once a day.
---Nicole_Lacey on 2/18/17


John, if you feel the Bible, the Inspired Word of God cannot give you all you need, and you feel you need to supplement your needs by reading all and every book every man has written, or that you can't seem to be grounded in the Faith unless you read the church fathers, then I do feel sad you cannot find that GROUNDING right in the word of God called the Holy Bible.

But I would like to tell others around the world, who feel they might be missing something without these books.....FOLKS YOU ARE NOT.

The Lord will supply ALL YOUR NEEDS, according to the Riches that are in Christ Jesus....not in the works of man.

John must be needy, but he still with all his reading may be lacking, looking in all the wrong places.
---kathr4453 on 2/18/17


John, I'll take David's word for it. I know many writings were to grease the way for the RCC. Much like saying Peter was in Rome, which he wasn't. And again, these were men like you and me ...individuals growing in the grace and knowledge of Jesus Christ. They were not chosen by Jesus to be apostles. Scripture from Genesis to Revelation is about Jesus. The church fathers wrote about men, put their spin on traditions, and says the apostles prayed the Lord's Prayer 3 times a day....did they also say they bowed to Mecca when they prayed? I don't have to read the church fathers to KNOW it does not apply to the Church. And when I hear stuff like that, I have no interest in ever wanting to read that stuff.
---kathr4453 on 2/17/17


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David, the Didache existed long before the rcc

Kathr remember you have never read the church fathers based on your own confession so you wouldn't know what the Didache is and what it teaches.


So everyone knows theDidache is a document of History of the church.
---john9346 on 2/16/17


Calvinists do in fact read and recite the Lord's Prayer.

I'd invite all please read the London Baptist Confession of 1689 to know what really and truly believe lol
---johnic46 on 2/16/17


Singing from hymnal is communal and all need to sing same words and tune. Praying is personal, our own words to God and time to listen also.
---andreea on 2/9/17


Never heard of the Didache until reading this blog. Just read it and I agree with Steven. It starts off okay, but then it's appears someone from the Catholic Church penned it, merely to provide evidence for their teachings.

The Protestant church does the same thing, rewriting the Bible many times over, until they come up with a version that matches their teachings.
Maybe that's why we were told to follow Gods Holy Spirit, a source we can trust?
---David on 2/8/17


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Many hymns, as many written prayers, are simply religious words. Some popular songwriters were covenantal, overly spiritual, confused Israel with the church, or taught a variety of kingdom doctrine. Unacceptable from the pulpit, and should be rejected from hymnals.
Paul says singing ought to teach and admonish the word of Christ. It is more honorable to sing old hymns out of tune with right doctrine, than to sing world class modern worship music filled with emotional pablum.
It's obvious Jesus never actually prayed the "lords prayer repeated by millions (though Jesus instructed them not to pray using vain repetitions- Matt 6:7). If he did pray it he would have been a sinner, as is everyone else that prays it. (Luke 11:4)
---michael_e on 2/7/17


John 16:23 assuredly, I say to you, whatever you ask the Father in My name He will give you.

24. Until now you have asked nothing in My name. Ask, and you will receive, that your joy may be full."


The Lord's Prayer was before Jesus went to the cross. After Jesus rose from the dead, Christians 1) pray in Jesus name, not mentioned in Matthew and Luke, 2) our sins are not forgiven on a condition of us forgiving others under the NC,
3) we as saved Christians HAVE been delivered from the evil one.

This prayer was NOT said twice daily by Paul ....I can guarantee that. And Peter makes No mention of saying this prayer or suggesting anyone say it. Not even to ADD to ones faith in 2 Peter 1.
---kathr4453 on 2/7/17


So, Niclole, when you want to pray to heal someone you recite, from memory, the "Our Father" once.

When you want to pray for understanding a verse in the bible, you recite the "Our Father" twice and Hail Mary once.

When you want to pray because you are angry or disappointed, you recite the "Our Father" three times and Hail Mary twice.

When you want to pray because you are emotionally or physically ill, you recite the "Our Father" four times and Hail Mary three.

When you want to pray because you are thankful, you recite the "Our Father" five times and Hail Mary four.
---Steveng on 2/7/17


This is what I do find so confusing about John. To push off the Lords Prayer, where even Calvinists KNOW is not Calvinism, makes me wonder if John really has all his ducks in a row. When I attended a Calvinist Church years ago we studied why Calvinists do not pray this prayer. Now I'm not a Calvinist, but on that one I give them 100% accuracy on why.

I posted the WHY's in the 1,2, and 3. This view is also held by many grounded Christian churches not Calvinist.

All scripture is truth, however not all scripture applies to Christians today. For example..the Sabbath. The Curses under the Law of Moses, just a couple here.
---kathr4453 on 2/7/17


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Obviously if the Apostles prayed 'Our Father' and taught the prayer to other Christians it is meant to be prayed today.
---Nicole_Lacey on 2/7/17

This is the problem too of exalting the so called church fathers. There is no scripture to back up this statement. Someone can quote anyone saying the Apostles this or that, prayed standing on their head, whatever, but if there are no scriptures to back that up, it holds no weight. If it were as important as communion, it would be noted in scripture.
---kathr4453 on 2/7/17


I don't see any scripture saying all the apostles prayed this, or stated we should pray this over and over. Jesus never said we should memorize and pray this...He gave an outline on HOW to pray, not WHAT to say. This prayer also is not to the church, but to the. Earthly kingdom that will be on earth as in heaven, the 1000 year reign. Jesus said regarding the Church, MY KINGDOM IS NOT OF THIS WORLD. We have been translated out of this present evil world into the Kingdom of His dear Son. Paul said we are crucified to the world and the world to us.

Know your KINGDOMS folks. Judas didn't and betrayed Jesus. Don't make his mistake.
---kathr4453 on 2/7/17


//The Didache an not an epistle. It's just a list of items that the apostles taught and applied.//

So you agree with John.

Obviously if the Apostles prayed 'Our Father' and taught the prayer to other Christians it is meant to be prayed today.

//But one can tell this is from the catholic or orthodox church--Steveng

Because the Church is CATHOLIC
---Nicole_Lacey on 2/7/17


john9346,

The Didache an not an epistle. It's just a list of items that the apostles taught and applied. But one can tell this is from the catholic or orthodox church because some of the items in "chapters" 7,8,9, 11, 12, 13, 14 are not biblical.

Test those items. Study the bible (NT) and apply each item to scripture.
---Steveng on 2/6/17


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Most people repeat prayers in vain expecting different results like praying the Lord's prayer (which is set as an example on HOW to pray not to keep repeating it). Most people pray prayers that are vague like asking for peace in the world.
---Steveng on 2/4/17







The Didache an epistle of the Early Church tells us that the apostles prayed the Lord's Prayer (Our Father) twice aday.

If it was good enough for the apostles, then its sure good enough for all Christians...
---john9346 on 2/5/17


"Grant, Almighty God, that, since to a perverse, and in every way a rebellious people, thou didst formerly show so much grace, as to exhort them continually to repentance, and to stretch forth thy hand to them by thy Prophets, O grant, that the same word may sound in our ears, and when we do not immediately profit by thy teaching, O cast us not away, but, by thy Spirit, so subdue all our thoughts and affections, that we, being humbled, may give glory to thy majesty,

prayer by john Calvin
---john9346 on 2/5/17


There is no difference between singing hymns and praying from a book. Both use the mind.

Real prayer is simply communicating with God from the heart like you would a very close friend. You talk about things that are important to you - healing of a friend, for instance. The bible is full of examples of prayers. They are not all the same.

Most people repeat prayers in vain expecting different results like praying the Lord's prayer (which is set as an example on HOW to pray not to keep repeating it). Most people pray prayers that are vague like asking for peace in the world.

Asking God for help in a certain matter comes from the heart and must be made specifically.
---Steveng on 2/4/17


What is the difference between singing from a hymnal and praying from a book?
---Cluny on 2/2/17

I hope this question means that you are on the mend and doing better physically. You are missed.

My church does not use hymnals but I do listen (and sing) to worship music at home and in the car.

I also have several books of prayers that I use daily. One is from the author of "the power of a praying husband" and is specifically prayers for my wife. A second book is a book of prayers "for men by men". It was this book that got me thinking about my behavior within these blogs.

I think anything that "keeps your mind stayed on God" is a good thing and can be used by God.
---Mark_Eaton on 2/3/17


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All those who sing from a hymnal pray from the same book.
---mike4879 on 2/3/17


"Lord Jesus Christ The Son of God have mercy on me a sinner."
(An Ancient Prayer)
---john9346 on 2/3/17


The person who takes baptism must discard wrong religion and worship the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit till the end of days. Rejecting own preference, bear the cross and follow Jesus Christ. I/we promise to try and put into effect all the principles a believer should follow. Grant upon me/us the Holy Spirit so that I/we do not break my/our promise and abide with the principles all the days of my/our life/lives. I/we reverently pray that when I/we pass away from this world let me/us be at thy foot together with the saints enjoying the never-ending heavenly riches, through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen.[1]
---john9346 on 2/3/17


"Lord Jesus, take from us now everything that would hinder the closest communion with God. Any wish or desire that might hamper us in prayer remove, we pray You. Any memory of either sorrow or care that might hinder the fixing of our affection wholly on our God, take it away now.

Charles Spurgeon
---john9346 on 2/3/17


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cluny ask, "What is the difference between singing from a hymnal and praying from a book?"

Nothing at all, its good to ssing songs written hundreds of years before time and to pray prayers written years before my time.

I'm actually putting to gather aPrayer Book.

Some of the prayers I have collected are by John Calvin, Spurgeon, and Adonarim Judson
---john9346 on 2/2/17


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