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How Is God Love

Fathom the love. How do we fathom the love of God? God destroying the whole earth by flood (sparing 8 people). God destroying Sodom and Gomorrah in light of Matthew 11:23 (and sparing 3 people). God sending most us to eternal torment. God so loves us, and GOD IS LOVE! How can we fathom the love of God?

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"those who live in obedience would be subjected to his Grace?"
David how does one live in obedience?
---josef on 3/22/17

Good question, for those who believe God the Father loves everyone. When you look at all the examples you have given, you discover one thing they all had in common. The one thing they all had in common, was they were all living in disobedience to God.

Now doesn't it seem logical, if those who live in disobedience to God were subjected to his Wrath, those who live in obedience would be subjected to his Grace?

But unfortunately this teaching in (John 14:21-23) and many others like (John 8:34-35), taught by Jesus Christ, are considered blasphemy in the church today.

Could you just imagine a teacher teaching (John 14:21-23) in the church today, along with ((Romans 2)?
I did it, and I was asked to leave.
---David on 3/21/17

mike, just look at it this way, No one deserves salvation, we have all sinned against Almighty God, yet He showed His love for us that He send His only Son to die for our sins. He loved us so much He had mercy on us sinners, who have sinned against Him. Now, that is love. Now, those who are not chosen, He did nothing wrong to them. He just didn't choose them. People don't like that, because He did not choose them. They say it is not fair that some were chosen and others were not, as if any deserved salvation.

God has the right to choose whoever He wants to choose. He is under no obligation.
---Luke on 3/16/17

My son wants candy.
I say no.
How can I be a loving father?
Answer: by not making a spoiled brat.
God is not a vending machine.
Rom 8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to [his] purpose.
Mark 4:17 And have no root in themselves, and so endure but for a time: afterward, when affliction or persecution ariseth for the word's sake, immediately they are offended.
---micha9344 on 3/7/17

God loves his people so much that he sent his only begotten Son to suffer and die in their place. God so loves his people so much that he made a way for sinners to be with him eternally. God so loves his people that one day he's coming back to earth to reunite them body, soul, and spirit.

He is a God of love. A god of hate would never have sacrificed so much to save sinful man.

By the way, it wasn't God that brought sin into the world.

Ro 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin, and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: (KJV)
---trey on 2/26/17

Yes thank jerry. That would make my comment clearer. Assumed correctly
---therese on 2/25/17

Steveng: Let's let the Bible speak, shall we.

Mal 4:1 For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven, and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.
Mal 4:2 But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings, and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.
Mal 4:3 And ye shall tread down the wicked, for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts.

---Jerry6593 on 2/24/17

Jerry6593 wrote: "She probably meant to say:.."

Probably? You assume too much.

Jerry6593 wrote: "After the Lake of Fire has done its work, the unsaved remain dead. No lake of fire will be remaining."

There will not be any dead in the new heavens and the new earth for God is a god of the living.
---Steveng on 2/23/17

steveng & barb: I think that Therese is agreeing with you. She probably meant to say:

After the Lake of Fire has done its work, the unsaved remain dead. No lake of fire will be remaining.

---Jerry6593 on 2/23/17

therese wrote "The unsaved are dead. No lake of fire remaining."

There are to be two resurrections. The first at the beginning of the thousand year reign of Christ when the dead in Christ shall rise and the living shall be caught up with the dead.

The second resurrection is at the end of the thousand years when all the other dead shall rise and be judged from the Book of Life according to their works - some to everlasting death and some to everlasting life. There are people who never knew of God or of Jesus or even that the bible existed, but they had love in their hearts for others.

Blessed are those that rise at the first resurrection.

God is looking for those who will populate his kingdom on earth.
---Steveng on 2/20/17

God destroyed the earth with a flood because the whole earth was polluted with sin. The people of Noah's time had filled their cup of iniquity to the brim and they had gone beyond the limit of forgiveness. Gen 15:16, Matt 5:29-30. Same with Sodom and Gomorrah.

The torment of hell is not eternal. The lake of fire will burn until it is nothing but ashes under the feet of the Saints. The second death is eternal and the people who are burnt up will be as if they never were.

---barb on 2/20/17

Having read all the comments so far on this question, there are not many that attempt to answer the question.

This idea of God punishing the unsaved for all eternity comes out of greek mythology, not the bible.

One of the biggest lies about God is that He would punish the unsaved for all eternity.

Revelation 20:15 says the unsaved will suffer the 2nd death in the lake of fire, which is on the earth. God then creates a new heavens and earth, this earth we live on will be changed as Psalm 102:26 indicates.

The unsaved are dead. No lake of fire remaining.
---therese on 2/20/17

Regarding Sodom and Gomorrah, and also the Flood in Noahs day.

God did not wipe out the people of those cities and of that world without giving them a chance to be saved from the disasters.

Genesis 19:12-14. Lot was told to tell his family that God would destroy Somon . Others would have heard the warning as well. They did not believe it.

Noah spent time while building the ark to preach what was to happen. 2 Peter 2:5. None outside his family responded it seems.

Look at Jesus to learn about a God of love. The Father is also that God of love.
---therese on 2/20/17

Humans, especially in today's wicked world, could never "fathom" the love of God. People can easily define the word "love," but very difficult to apply it.

Love has practically evaporated for the face of this world just by the fact that violence has progressively increased in frequency and intensity especially within the past couple of years.

Continuously meditate daily upon the word of God.
---Steveng on 2/19/17

In truth, HOW WILL YOU LIKE to have a Superman FIRST EDITION comic book worth millions of dollars fall on top of your head while pulling paper out from a whole in your ceiling, and then that your wife or spouse cause you to lose the comic and hundreds more of rare, hard to come by comic books worth millions of dollars just to live by her sister hundreds of miles away from you and your properties? And then that you get robbed as well. This is what happened to me. And the story is worse in long form.
---mike4879 on 2/18/17

In (John 14:21), Jesus Christ tells us what brings us the Love of God the Father. Have you followed this instruction of how to receive the love of God the Father, or the instruction of man, which says there is no requirement to receive Gods love?

(John 14:21) He that has my commandments, and keeps them, he it is that loves me: and he that loves me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
---David on 2/19/17

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Mike, you married a Christian woman. Doesn't matter where she came from. She is your wife, your Christian wife. And you should love your wife unconditionally, regardless of your mother. Or regardless of any lost money or property. It may be hard, but it sounds like the Lord is trying to teach you unconditional know ..the way He Loves us no matter how badly we mess up and ruin things. There's a lesson in this somewhere.
---kathr4453 on 2/19/17

One more clarification! TRUE! My mother said she would change the will if I married this woman. I rebelled. I did not like how my mother spoke to me. My mother WAS RIGHT for the wrong reasons, and I married a woman I should not have. I disobeyed my mother and I married a christian woman on the other side of the world that I did not know well who I met on a site like this. Yes, it has been costly. I have no inheritance through my parents as all they have is going to nursing homes and late life expenses. And my own fortune is gone listening to others, and being robbed.
---mike4879 on 2/18/17

My mother is not responsible for me marrying the wrong woman. Had I listened to my mother, I would have never married some one on the other side of the world that I met on the internet. Under my mother's ideas I was celibate for 41 years. My daughters did not leave. Their mother took them and moved away from me and valuable property. I lost valuable property to be by my daughters. Too, I was robbed. The girls do not like their mother. We are happier when she is asleep or at work. Related to my wife and my mother, I live where it is cold and have lost millions. The more that I say, the more the misunderstandings. But is God doing his best?
---mike4879 on 2/18/17

Mike, so are you saying your mother is responsible for your marriage falling apart and also losing property because your wife and daughters left you and they too moved to a very cold place? Are you at your parents or did you move close to your wife so you could be close to your daughters?

Did your wife and daughters leave you to live with your parents who moved away?

The Lord does not divide marriages. We are to leave our mother and father and Cleve to our husband and wife. Once you're married, your life belongs to your wife, not your parents. Don't let them hold that verse over you to control you. Show them the other....

They held money over your head..right???? Did your wife choose their money over you?
---kathr4453 on 2/18/17

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I never said my mother abuse me, I said that she harmed me. After bending backwards for my parents, when I said I was struggling spiritually, my mother spoke of disinheriting me. When I contemplated marriage to a christian woman of another race, my mother spoke of changing the will. Under honor your father and mother, I live in the cold where I hate, and I lost millions putting their affairs ahead of mine. So, yes, my mother has hurt me.
---mike4879 on 2/17/17

My earthly dad has not harmed me. My mother has.
---mike4879 on 2/16/17

Trauma causes many problems and some are beyond our own understanding. Trauma causes us to see things incorrectly.

I can illustrate if I may ask you a few questions?

When your mother was abusing you, where was your father? Don't you think it was his job to keep you safe? Safe, even from your mother?

And I think you are projecting this abandonment from your father, onto God. God should have protected you from your mother. Where was God when your mother was abusing you? Why did God abandon you?

Getting answers to these questions will help you.
---Mark_Eaton on 2/17/17

when we have all these prosperity teachers telling us OH WHAT A WONDERFUL LIFE WE WILL HAVE...
---kathr4453 on 2/16/17

I hear the same stuff in a different way when I listen to Billy Graham.

As God said, "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge".

It is easy to know that James 1, 1 Peter 1, and Romans 5 talk about trials and suffering. Romans 8 tells us we must suffer with Christ if we are to be glorified with Him.

We choose not to listen or forget what we have heard.

But, in what you have said is something I continually talk about with others.

The Christian life is a process, not an event. It is a marathon, not a sprint. God will work out our selfishness, but we must trust Him.
---Mark_Eaton on 2/17/17

Mark_Eaton, when we have all these prosperity teachers telling us OH WHAT A WONDERFUL LIFE WE WILL HAVE ONCE WE ARE SAVED, has caused so much disalusionment with so many. They teach that God blesses with health, wealth and what ever one asks, one should receive. But the truth is, Gods love is actually crucifying us to the world and the world to us, and OH what a miserable painful process that is, and the ONLY WAY one can keep from getting bitter is to be so anchored in Gods amazing unconditional love. Just look at the end of Jobs ordeal. Job said, tho He slay me yet will I trust in him. The Lord gives and the Lord takes away. Should I only love Him if I'm being blessed?
I'm so glad you are anchored in His unconditional love.
---kathr4453 on 2/16/17

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I have more issue with my mother than I ever had with my dad. You spoke of father wounds. I agreed. BUT I MEANT MY HEAVENLY FATHER WHO IS MORE MY FATHER AND NOT MY LESSER FATHER, my earthly father. I have no problem with my earthly dad. The Bible says, "I WOUND, but I also heal." Does not OUR FATHER IN HEAVEN say this? My earthly dad has not harmed me. My mother has. AND GOD DOES WHAT GOD DOES. My wounds are not from my earthly father. Even Job knew where his troubles had come from. Are you no better than his friends?
---mike4879 on 2/16/17

So I do ask your forgivness for not understanding what and where you were coming from.
---kathr4453 on 2/16/17

You are very much forgiven. There is only so much we can say in 125 words.

But painting our Heavenly Fathers face with the disappointments of our Earthly fathers is very common. I am convinced most Christians have this father wound as a result.

We stubbornly will not accept that the Father loves us unconditionally, and unfortunately, some of our theology confirms our unbelief and the lies we believe about the Father.

That is why the Trinity is so important to me. To definitively show the love the Father has for the Son and is just the same amount He loves us.
---Mark_Eaton on 2/16/17

You have issue with your earthly father. I have issue with my heavenly father.
---mike4879 on 2/16/17

I am not confused. Perhaps you are? You seem to believe that the fifth commandment (Honor your mother and father) does not actually mean father, or that Jesus meant for us to stop calling our Earthly fathers, father.

I believe Jesus was talking in Matt. 23 about the Scribes who take pride in being called a Father, as a title of learning, wisdom, and truth. Jesus told them to let no one call you Rabbi, yet we see people calling Him Rabbi over and over.

And why do you have issue with our heavenly Father?

You must resolve your resentments with the Father before you can fully trust Him.
---Mark_Eaton on 2/16/17

Mark_Eaton, thank you so much for posting what you did about many who see our Heavenly Father the way we see our own fathers. Now I know what you were talking about before. So I do ask your forgivness for not understanding what and where you were coming from.

What you say is so true. You now, the Lord had to show me over and over and over what love is, His unconditional love. My whole upbringing was based on conditional everything, and to actually be shown unconditional love was beyond anything my mind could grasp. I know you must be finding that out too. Hopefully so will Mike. As long as Mike isn't loving God on his conditions....:)
---kathr4453 on 2/16/17

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Do not call any one on earth father, for we have ONE FATHER who is in heaven.

How are you confused, Mark_Eaten? You have issue with your earthly father. I have issue with my heavenly father. Someone asks if I have father issues, I answered yes.
---mike4879 on 2/16/17

We have one father.
---mike4879 on 2/14/17

Your post is confusing.

Are you saying that God is not "Our Father"?

Do you believe Jesus was wrong to say that God is our father and to say we are no longer servants of God but Sons of God?

I see God the Father as more of a Papa than my earthly father could ever be.

I know many despise the book that got me thinking about God in a different way. The book changed my life, allowed me to drop the great load and sadness I was carrying. I suggest it to you.

The book is named The Shack. Read it before you see it.
---Mark_Eaton on 2/15/17

We have one father.
---mike4879 on 2/14/17

Yes, there is a father wound.
---mike4879 on 2/13/17

I know. I had it also.

We all have it. We are supposed to be affirmed and accepted by our earthly fathers, but so seldom are. As a result, we feel abandoned by our fathers, and feel abandoned by God.

And what we hear in the pulpits tell us that God is not for us. God only accepts us when we are "right". God turns His back on us when we sin. And even that God "punished" Jesus and turned His back on Jesus on the cross.

How could we trust a father like that?

But that is not God, not the Father of Jesus in the Bible. It is a distorted understanding, a misunderstanding of who the Father really is.
---Mark_Eaton on 2/14/17

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How can we fathom the love of God?---mike4879 on 2/11/17

His mercy, grace, provision, healing, Fatherhood, preservation of life, gift of children.
---aservant on 2/13/17

Yes, there is a father wound.
---mike4879 on 2/13/17

How can we fathom the love of God?
---mike4879 on 2/11/17

By starting with who God is and our understanding of Him.

When I say God, I speak of the Trinity, the Father, the Son, and the Spirit. The Deity of God is all three in perfect unity, in perfect love, and in perfect closeness. They created humanity to participate in their union, in their relationship, and will find a way to make it so. Read the parables of the lost sheep, the lost coin, and the lost son and remember it is God who is being spoken of.

Why we cannot relate to the Father can be summed up by the knowledge that most (not all) of us suffer from a father wound. We have painted the Father with the pain and suffering we feel.
---Mark_Eaton on 2/13/17

Israel had a King before they got one as a man, the Lord was their king as we know.

But yes indeed far on the ants brother :) To be real you spake as one who knew nothing in your question, I thought it fun to answer in kind.

God Bless you.
---Pharisee on 2/13/17

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A little far on the ants. But there are things to learn from ants. Of ants, the Bible says that ants DO NOT HAVE any commander or overseer or ruler yet they store up provisions in summer. (Proverbs 6:6-7) As such, ants DO NOT NEED YOU AS A KING (biblically speaking). Israel wanted to be as other nations and they sinned in asking for a king. In so doing, they rejected God as king. I suppose we are to be the ants in your example. Either that or you have enslaved ants.
---mike4879 on 2/12/17

To respond I would say to have poor or no vision is to have increased senses of smell touch taste and hearing.

There is none without a gift from God, there is none without opportunity to experience him.

Here let me speak and make an ant farm, then from the dust of the ant farm I'll make ants, these ants will have the unique capacity to communicate and relate to me the way that I relate, as I am the greater is this not my majestic gift to the lowly ants that I could have left as dumb animals? I want my ants to know me, doesn't that prove my love? WAIT, let me also now make an ant king, this will be no ordinary ant, I MYSELF will be the ant king and I will give myself to them as an peace offering that we may have fellowship.
---Pharisee on 2/12/17

KATHR, I do not think that each person who goes to jail deserves to be there. PAUL was in jail. JESUS was in jail. JEREMIAH was in jail. I have been in jail. I know there are people in jail who do not belong there and did nothing to deserve to be there.
---mike4879 on 2/12/17

What of Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated? (Malachi 1:2-3 and Romans 9:13)
---mike4879 on 2/12/17

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Interesting point
---mike4879 on 2/12/17

An interesting thought, Pharisee! ON THAT NOTE, that we exist as a matter of God's love, too have you read, EXODUS 4:11? Exodus 4:11, God tells Moses, "WHO GAVE MAN HIS MOUTH? Who makes him deaf or mute? Who gives him sight or makes him blind? IS IT NOT I, THE LORD?" God takes credit for these conditions of being deaf, mute and blind. Is that love? How do we FATHOM SUCH LOVE? DO YOU COMPREHEND THIS LOVE?
---mike4879 on 2/12/17

People send themselves to hell. Hell was made for the angles, not man. So that shows that God did not predestine any man for hell. Man by his own choices end up in hell.

If you are sent to jail, is it not because you did something to deserve it?

You have a choice Mike, just like all those before the flood. Romans 1-2 tell us what happened.

Fathom this Mike, God sending His own son to die on the cross in your place, taking YOUR sin and YOUR punishment so YOU can spend eternity in Heaven. Fathom that Mike. That's LOVE Mike. A LOVE beyond words....a LOVE with action.
---kathr4453 on 2/12/17


God din't have to let mankind continue, by all rights he could have scrapped the whole thing in the garden of Eden but he chose instead to create you me and everyone else to give us the opportunity to reflect his glory back to him.

Even in HELL you will have no claim against him so you might as well give it up now and start praising him.

---Pharisee on 2/11/17

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