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Where Is Elijah And Enoch

For those who believe that no man is in heaven, where are Elijah and Enoch?

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"Mat 17:3 And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him.
Mar 9:4 And there appeared unto them Elias with Moses: and they were talking with Jesus."

Micha this was a vision, "a sight divinely granted in an ecstasy". The word used in the same way that it is used in Act 9:10,12,10:3,17>11:5 Etc.
---Josef on 5/2/17


/...when he(Peter) had at length suffered martyrdom, departed to the place of glory due to him...suffered martyrdom under the prefects. Thus was he(Paul) removed from the world, and went into the holy place...\-Clemente of Rome 30-100AD
/...and that they are [now] in their due place in the presence of the Lord, with whom also they suffered...\-Polycarp 65-155 AD (the angel of the church at Smyrna)
---micha9344 on 5/2/17


Mat 17:3 And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him.
Mar 9:4 And there appeared unto them Elias with Moses: and they were talking with Jesus.
-Did Moses and Elijah go back to the grave after they appeared with Jesus.
-If it wasn't Moses and Elijah talking with Jesus, to whom was Jesus talking?
Mar 9:5 And Peter answered and said to Jesus, Master, it is good for us to be here: and let us make three tabernacles, one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.
-If it wasn't M+E, why didn't Jesus correct Peter as He had done before?
-If it wasn't M+E, but merely angels appearing as them, why deceive?
-Or was Jesus just talking to thin air?
---micha9344 on 4/29/17


Moses is dead.

God buried Moses in a secret place: Deuteronomy 34:5-6 (KJV) So Moses the servant of the LORD died there in the land of Moab, according to the word of the LORD. And he buried him in a valley in the land of Moab, over against Bethpeor: but no man knoweth of his sepulchre unto this day.

Elijah is also dead. Moses and Elijah are dead awaiting to be resurrected at the last day. They will never die as all true christians are not dead, but asleep until the resurrection.
---Steveng on 4/29/17


Moses and Elijah are in heaven. They were taken up into heaven.

Jesus went up by his power. I don't know if that is the correct answer. But the Bible is plain those two went up. Elijah and Moses appeared to Jesus.

Others propose that the going up of Jesus is different because of his primacy.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 4/19/17




No man : ascended up to heaven -

John 20:17 Jesus said to her , do not cling to me , for I have not yet ascended to My father: But go to my Brethren and say to them, I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to My God and your God,

( Jesus : Body and spirit ascends to
Heaven )

Ecclesiastes 12:7 - Then the dust will return to the Earth as it was, and Spirit will return to God who gave it.

{ Spirit : The non physical part of the person, That is the seat of emotions of Character, }
---RichardC on 4/10/17


/Proof that Elijah was not dead and still on earth was when he wrote a letter many years later...2 Ch...21:12-15.\-Steveng on 3/11/17
2Ki 1:17 So he died according to the word of the LORD which Elijah had spoken. And Jehoram reigned in his stead in the second year of Jehoram the son of Jehoshaphat king of Judah, because he had no son.
Steveng, Please let me know who were the kings of Israel and Judah when Elijah was translated.
Elijah wrote the letter before he was translated, because he was not found afterwards.
Also, what about his mantle? He let Elisha keep it?
And the Spirit, not on Elijah, but on Elisha?
Was not Elisha a prophet before Elijah was translated?
Please let the Bible answer theses questions, not opinion.
---micha9344 on 4/9/17


/yet those who were before us did live [to such an age], and those who were translated do live as an earnest of the future length of days, and [as it might also appear impossible] that from the whales belly and from the fiery furnace men issued forth unhurt, yet they nevertheless did so, led forth as it were by the hand of God, for the purpose of declaring His power: so also now, although some, not knowing the power and promise of God, may oppose their own salvation, deeming it impossible for God, who raises up the dead, to have power to confer upon them eternal duration, yet the scepticism of men of this stamp shall not render the faithfulness of God of none effect.\-Irenaeus, Against Heresies, Book V, 2nd Century AD.
---micha9344 on 4/8/17


micha9344 wrote: "I choose to believe the Bible ..."

Jesus himself said: "No man hath ascended up to heaven." So Enoch could not have gone to heaven or Jesus is a liar.

Re-read Hebrews 11:5 very slowly and read the "past tense" words of the verse. If Enoch is in heaven now he would still be pleasing God.

Read about christians being "translated" Colossians 1:13

What does the word "translate" mean? To move from one place or condition to another, carry over, transport. "Translate" does not mean to make immortal.

God removed (translated) Enoch so that he was not found. God took Enoch and buried him! The same God did with Moses. Deuteronomy 34:6
---Steveng on 4/5/17


Oh, and one more note concerning "all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years:"

If one uses the bible as its own reference, one would find "all the days of" used in several other places meaning how old the person was before their death. Read:

Genesis 5-31,
Genesis 9:29,
Deuteronomy 4:9,
Deuteronomy 16:3
Joshua 24:31,
1 Samuel 1:11,
1 Samuel 7:13,
1 Kings 4:21
Psalm 23:6,
Proverbs 31:12,
Ecclesiastes 5:18,
Isaiah 38:20,
Jeremiah 52:33,
Luke 1:75,

When it is written that Enoch shall not see death is the same as all true christians will not see death.
---Steveng on 4/4/17




micha9344, you are calling Jesus a liar when he said no one has ascended into heaven.

Besides, all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years: and Enoch walked with God and he was not for God took him just like he takes all the godly people.

Be careful HOW you read the bible. In today's world, people are trained to be more technical, more specific. This is the trouble when reading the bible. The entire bible is written with metaphors and similes and parables which teach us things spiritual using worldly knowledge.
---Steveng on 4/2/17


/The bible states: that all the days of Enoch were three hundred and sixty-five years. Enoch is dead and buried and waiting for the resurrection.\-Steveng on 3/11/17
Gen 5:
Adam lived
and he died.
And Seth lived
and he died.
And Enos lived
and he died.
And Cainan lived
and he died.
And Mahalaleel lived
and he died.
And Jared lived
and he died.
And Enoch lived
And Enoch walked with God: and he [was] not, for God took him.
And Methuselah lived
and he died.
And Lamech lived
and he died.
Heb 11:5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death...
I choose to believe the Bible over Steveng and I encourage Steveng to believe the Bible over his own opinions and current beliefs.
---micha9344 on 3/29/17


God buried Moses in a valley in the land of Moab, opposite Beth-peor, but to this day no one knows where his grave is. Moses was 120 years old when he died, but his eyesight hadnt failed and his strength hadnt diminished. Deuteronomy 34

If Moses, Enoch and Elijah are in heaven why not all the other godly people?

There are two resurrections: the first when Jesus returns when the dead in Christ shall rise and the living shall be caught up with the dead.

The second at the end of the thousand year reign of Christ when ALL THE OTHER DEAD shall rise and be judged from the book of life according to what they did on earth.
---Steveng on 3/23/17


Mary said to Jesus saying "I will see him [her brother] at the resurrection." Jesus left for heaven, while Mary was still on Earth. No one is in heaven yet as Jesus will prepare a place for christians.

Jesus will come again in great glory, with the sound of trumpets. The dead in Christ shall rise first and the living shall be caught up with the dead. This is the first resurrection.

The second resurrection is at the end of the thousand year reign of Christ when all the other dead shall rise and be judged from the book of life according to their works.

Blessed are those that rise in the first resurrection.
---Steveng on 3/14/17


Luke 8:55 - And the spirit came again, and she rose straight away: and commanded to give her meat,

Genesis 35:18 - And it came to pass , as her soul was departing { for she died} that she called the name Ben -oni But his father calls Benjamin.

2 Corinthians 5,8 - We are confident , I say , and willing rather to be absent from the body, and present with the Lord

Present : Being, Existing or occurring in a place,

Now in 2 corinthians It says absent from the body, On earth man has a body of flesh, When man raise he has a spiritual body, Is not 2 Corinthians saying no body at all ? Hence man is two things, Spirit the man, Body - vessel ,
---RichardC on 3/14/17


Moses was resurrected.

Enoch and Elijah were translated without seeing death.

All three are in heaven with Christ.


---Jerry6593 on 3/14/17


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Strongaxe yes, up until the time Jesus ascended no man had ascended to Heaven. "so it cannot speak to what happened or will happen afterwards." The fact that David hasn't speaks to that. If any man, other than Jesus was in Heaven it would be a man after "Gods own heart". Man will be raised and will spend the millennia on earth. Rev 20:6>Rev 5:10 I believe that the only Heaven that any of us will see is Heaven here on earth when the Father in His fullness dwells with man for the eternity. Rev 21:1-3
---joseph on 3/12/17


joseph:

The chronology of John 3:13 took place before Jesus ascended, so it cannot speak to what happened or will happen afterwards. If John 3:13 were perpetually true, then either Jesus did not ascend to heaven, or Jesus was not a man. Which of these two things do you believe? Furthermore it also means that none of us would ever go to heaven either. Do you believe that too? Somehow, I don't think so.
---StrongAxe on 3/12/17


Elijah and Enoch are dead.

Jesus said no one has gone to heaven. If this wasn't true he wouldn't have said this.

The phrases translated or taken away come from the Greek word metatithemi, which means to transfer to another place.

The bible states: that all the days of Enoch were three hundred and sixty-five years. Enoch is dead and buried and waiting for the resurrection.

Elijah did not die at that time he went up by a whirlwind into heaven. Which heaven, there are three heavens mentioned in the bible. Proof that Elijah was not dead and still on earth was when he wrote a letter many years later. See 2 Chronicles 21:12-15.
---Steveng on 3/11/17


Matthew 17:1 - And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James and John his brother , and bringeth them up unto an high mountain apart.
Matthew 17:2 - And was transfigured before them: and did his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light,
Matthew 17:3 - And Behold there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with them,
---RichardC on 3/12/17


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Wherever God put them.

I know they did not suffer physical death. I don't think it's likely they are living in the World to Come while still in their unresurrected bodies--but I cannot say anything about these two for sure.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/9/17


It is written that no man has ascended to Heaven. John 3:13 Not even David, a man after God's heart, is said to be in Heaven, even after Jesus ascended. Acts 2:34 So I do have biblical reasons for believing that no man is 'living' in Heaven. Concerning Elijah and Enoch, I know that they are mortal, since I know that they are destined to die, and logically, no moral has been walking around in Heaven for the last two thousand years. According to Rev 4:11 they await their assignment, and they can only be existing, or "standing by the LORD" (per Zec 4:14) in a state of stasis, or suspended animation initiated by the LORD. Can I prove this? No. However it remains my belief:o)
---joseph on 3/9/17


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