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Why do churches have Easter and Christmas. Are these invented by the pope?

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The Biblical Priesthood was fulfilled in the Lord Jesus Christ have you ever read Heb 7????--john9346

Sorry for my late response.

I believe you do not understand Hebrew 7 yourself.

It's about Melchizedek who was a King and High Priest at the same time.

What did he offered in honor of Abraham's victory?

Bread and Wine.

Jesus is the TRUE High Priest and King as His told His Disciples in John 6.

You deny Jesus claims of His Body and Blood being REAL AND TRUE for us to eat and drink as His Disciples refused in John 6:66.

Jesus TOLD the Disciples to offer up His Body and Blood ALWAYS until He returns.

Only the Catholic and Orthodox Churches have VALID Priests in following Jesus' Commands.
---Nicole_Lacey on 4/28/17


Nicole said, "No Samuel is saying as if one is an Apostolic Church and the other isn't. That's why he placed the word 'real' in front of Apostolic.,"

But each does think the other is wrong I believe that is his point if not that is in fact the Historical Contention...
Nicole states, "Cluny and I are saying both of us can point our Church Leaders back all the way to all the Apostles."

Every system claims this until "Real-historical Examination."...
---john9346 on 4/25/17


Nicole states, "To have a valid priesthood in your Church you have to be able to connect today's Priests back to one of the 13 Apostles. (Paul and Matthias as part of the 13)."

Nicole, The Biblical Priesthood was fulfilled in the Lord Jesus Christ have you ever read Heb 7????
---john9346 on 4/25/17


Nicole_Lacey:

Religions have been co-opting each other's holidays and places of worship since the dawn of man. It works both ways. The Christian church has been building churches over the ruins of pagan temples and shrines. Islam does the same thing - it turned the Hagia Sofia into a mosque.

Pagans had Samhain. Christians turned it into All Hallow's Eve. Secularists turned it into Halloween.
Pagans had Saturnalia. Christians turned it into Christmas. Secularists turned it into a frenzied spend-fest.
Pagans had spring fertility rites. Christians turned it into Easter. Secularists turned it back into a bunny and egg and chocolate fest.
---StrongAxe on 4/24/17


//Nicole, Samuel is correct when he stated, "Both insist they were the real apostolic church."//

No Samuel is saying as if one is an Apostolic Church and the other isn't. That's why he placed the word 'real' in front of Apostolic.

Cluny and I are saying both of us can point our Church Leaders back all the way to all the Apostles.

//Cluny himself has stated this same belief.--john9346 on 4/22/17

No not as Samuel and you are thinking.

To have a valid priesthood in your Church you have to be able to connect today's Priests back to one of the 13 Apostles. (Paul and Matthias as part of the 13).

Samuel thinks the Orthodox has to accept Pope Francis as their head to a be a 'real' Apostolic Church
---Nicole_Lacey on 4/23/17




john, this is a 6th century Nestorian theologian I quoted. What he said is basically the Definition of Chalcedon.
---Cluny on 4/22/17

Ok thanks, but I am still cautious of how I use "Heretic." Wording to confirm the truth...


---john9346 on 4/23/17


nicole states, "Cluny, is correct. I believe you are confused in the understanding of Apostolic Church."

Nicole, Samuel is correct when he stated, "Both insist they were the real apostolic church."

Cluny himself has stated this same belief.
---john9346 on 4/22/17


john, this is a 6th century Nestorian theologian I quoted. What he said is basically the Definition of Chalcedon.

It's the same one who compared patriarchs to popes.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/22/17


Bill, Pagans chose our days after Christians being celebrating Christ's Birth and the Resurrection on certain days

Secularists invented a bunny and decided to celebrate that bunny with it's fixings on the same day Christians celebrate the Resurrection.

Think about it, you haven't read about a bunny with Easter from Historians 200 years ago.

//may be we could say he is not inventing, but reinventing??//

YES, by Pagans!

Valentine Day
Real Christian Saint- Centuries ago

Cupid - Pagans

St Patrick's day March 17th.
Real Christian Saint's death. A Bishop of Ireland Centuries ago.

Leprechaun and pot of gold - Pagans.

//Satan does not own any days.---Bill

AMEN!
---Nicole_Lacey on 4/22/17


One is Christ the Son of God,
Worshiped by all in two natures,
In His Godhead begotten of the Father,
Without beginning before all time,
In His humanity born of Mary,
In the fullness of time, in a body united,
Neither His Godhead is of the nature of the mother,
Nor His humanity of the nature of the Father,
The natures are preserved in their Qnumas*,
In one person of one Sonship.
And as the Godhead is three substances in one nature,
Likewise the Sonship of the Son is in two natures, one person.
So the Holy Church has taught.
---Cluny on 4/22/17




//Both insist they were the real apostolic church.---Samuelbb7 on 4/19/17


Cluny, is correct. I believe you are confused in the understanding of Apostolic Church.

Both are Apostolic Churches capable proving no breaking link of the 'laying of the hands' back to the Apostles.

Meaning both have VALID Priesthood and all VALID SEVEN Sacraments.

The Catholic Church states Pope Francis is the Successor holding the Keys given to Peter by Jesus.

Many Orthodox Churches proudly can direct their Successors (called Patriarchs not Popes) back to Andrew (Peter's brother) and John (The Beloved Disciple), Phillip, James and other Apostles.

The Catholic Church AGREES with these Links of the Orthodox Churches
---Nicole_Lacey on 4/22/17


Cluny,

Well, then he is either a "Nestorian." or not talking about the person you cited from the 6thcentury.

You don't want to risk approving heresy you know??

Remember, the Chalcedonian Creed.
---john9346 on 4/21/17


\\Cluny,

Sir, why would you be quoting "A Nestorian theologian." which is a "Heretic."????\\

You've asked a good question.

The person who wrote this flourished in the 6th century. I could tell you where to find it on line, but I think it's against the ruled.

NOBODY today is a Nestorian as condemned by the Ecumenical Council (except some fringe Protestants). In fact, a few years ago the Nestorian Patriarch Mar Dinkha and Pope John Paul II signed a statement of common Christology, to which the Nestorian Synod agreed.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/21/17


Well, there are people who claim that December 25 is the birthday of a sun god, and Easter is a day of pagan something.

And ones say that Christians took over those days, in order to use them for celebrating Jesus Christ's birth and His resurrection. They believed it was good to re-invent those days, for God's purpose.

So, in case a pope is using these days, may be we could say he is not inventing, but reinventing??

However, plenty of Jesus Bible believers celebrate Christmas and Easter as holy days, not only for material and social reasons. We can make good use of what is used the wrong way.

Satan does not own any days.

1 Corinthians 3:21-23.
---Bill on 4/21/17


Cluny,

Sir, why would you be quoting "A Nestorian theologian." which is a "Heretic."????
---john9346 on 4/20/17


Not quite, Samuelbb. but close.

Orthodxy has alsways believed that the Pope was the head, but we disagreed with Roman Catholics about what this headship means.

We see it as a primacy of honor, as first among equals. As a Nestorian theologian put it, As the Patriarch is among the bishops, so is the Pope among patriarchs.

Pastor Aeternus, however, defined this headship as a "primacy of ordinary jurisdiction over all the faithful," which we reject.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/20/17


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There was one united Church until 1056 AD. Then it split in two. Often referred to as the Great Schism.
---Samuelbb7 on 4/19/17

Samuel, it was 1054 AD not 1056 AD...

Papal Positions developed over time along with the dogmas...

There are 242 denominations of Catholics and 781 denominations of Orthodox.
---john9346 on 4/20/17


Cyril of Jerusalem said, "It is called Catholic then because it extends over all the world, from one end of the earth to the other, and because it teaches universally and completely one and all the doctrines which ought to come to men's knowledge, concerning things both visible and invisible, heavenly and earthly , and because it brings into subjection to godliness the whole race of mankind, governors and governed, learned and unlearned, and because it universally treats and heals the whole class of sins, which are committed by soul or body, and possesses in itself every form of virtue which is named, both in deeds and words, and in every kind of spiritual gifts."
---john9346 on 4/20/17


There was one united Church until 1056 AD. Then it split in two. Often referred to as the Great Schism.

After that there existed the Orthodox churches and Roman Catholic church.

Both insist they were the real apostolic church. The RCC states that the Popes were always the head of all the Churches from the first so called pope Peter till now. On the other hand the Orthodox totally dispute the Popes of Rome were the leaders of the whole church ever.
---Samuelbb7 on 4/19/17


pls explain?

Are you referring in the name of Roman??
---Ruben on 4/17/17

Well, remember, the name catholic meant when it was first used meant every singgle believers not referring to a specific institution. Later, believers follow this same line of reasoning and context of their usage as wellas in their many books.
---john9346 on 4/18/17


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Reuben ask, "You are kidding right??"

No sir, Absoluteley serious
---john9346 on 4/17/17


The Roman Catholic Religion that you know today wasn't in existence when Easter and Christmas was established.

Roman Catholicism didn't exist until about the 12th-13thCentury...
---john9346 on 4/17/1

You are kidding right??

pls explain?

Are you referring in the name of Roman??
---Ruben on 4/17/17


Dementio:

The Roman Catholic Religion that you know today wasn't in existence when Easter and Christmas was established.

Roman Catholicism didn't exist until about the 12th-13thCentury...
---john9346 on 4/17/17


Religious holy week ends with the crucifixion and resurrection of Christ, but the ministry of the church begins with the revelation of the gospel of the grace of God not revealed until after that week.

Religions will repeat the events of Jesus earthly ministry and mourn his death as the biggest mistake humanity ever made, in the same ignorance as the disciples as to why he had to suffer and die.
Meanwhile, the stewards of the mysteries of Christ should continue preaching the glory of the cross of Christ as the best news the world has ever received.
---michael_e on 4/17/17


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\\I don't know if Easter and Christmas wash invented by the Pope but I now know they are pagan.

Yes, I'm very guilty of celebrating them in the past before I learned the truth.
---Rob on 4/16/17\\

As a matter of fact, Rob, they are not.

The supposed pagan origin of these Christian observances is backwards. It was Emperor Julian the Apostate who paganized these Christian feasts.

I suggest you read THE APOStASY THAT WASN'T.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/17/17


Because Easter vigil is the Holiest Feast of the year and Christmas is the next with it's Midnight Mass.

Jesus rising from the dead should be celebrated.

Next Jesus birth should be celebrated because he is God with us Emmanuel.

These days you should not ignore if you are a Christian.

As directed by God himself the Jews celebrated certain day's yearly as a reminder of it's importance.

If you wish to blame the Catholic Church in keeping these days in circulation in our modern memory we are guilty and not ashamed.

We shall continue until Christ returns. We take Jesus seriously.

Blame God for traditions. He knows how humans are so forgetful.

I loved Holy Week with Easter as its climax.
---Nicole_Lacey on 4/16/17


Dementio ask, "Why do churches have Easter and Christmas."


To remember, celebrate, and above all worship The Resurrected and Incarnated God and Saviour the Lord Jesus Christ who is 100% God and 100% man...

Dementio ask, "Are these invented by the pope?"

No, the Early Christian desired to use Christmas and Easter as days to point pagans to the Real-true Saviour the Lord Jesus Christ.

You see, there were many false gods during this time and what better time to witness to the pagansthe one and only true Living God...
---john9346 on 4/16/17


I don't know if Easter and Christmas wash invented by the Pope but I now know they are pagan.

Yes, I'm very guilty of celebrating them in the past before I learned the truth.
---Rob on 4/16/17


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