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The Power Of The Law

What role do you believe, "The Law", plays in our lives, taking into consideration Paul's use of the Law in (Romans 7:10 & 11)?

And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death. For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.

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I disagree. Heb 7:14 doesn't mention the Law - only the nature of the priesthood (Levitical vs. Melchisedec).--Jerry 4/27

Jerry
My mistake, I meant (Hebrews 7:12).
For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law
Jesus is a new priesthood in the order of Melchizedek, correct?
---David on 4/29/17


I abide in Him, and again, in Him there is no sin. Why should I spend my time battling something that I am dead to?--Josef

Josef
But don't you need to defend yourself, if your wrong? For if your wrong, there will be no Eternal Life.

It was Jesus who said, "If you want Eternal Life, Keep the commandments." Please,... I ask you take notice of the commandments Jesus gave in (Matthew 19: 16-19), and the fact that Paul uses one of those very commandments, when he gave his testimony in (Romans 7:7-12).

You say you have died to sin, but does your testimony have anything to do with keeping the commandments? No
Do any one of your teachers hold to Paul's testimony? No
Think about it brother.
---David on 4/29/17


"Josef That's why I hope you wake up, it's because you don't battle sin." David Christ in me, is my hope of glory. I abide in Him, and again, in Him there is no sin. Why should I spend my time battling something that I am dead to? When the Father lead me to His Christ, by His grace I acknowledged myself a sinner in need of His salvation, thus confessing my sin. He then lead me to repentance, as an empowered turn from the kingdom and power of darkness, to the kingdom and power of His dear son, cleansing me from all sin. David this is simply a response to you concerning my position in Christ, and my relationship with the Father. It is not meant as an argument, nor do I feel any need to defend myself. I simply love sharing.
---josef on 4/28/17


I don't battle sin---josef on 4/27/17

Josef
That's why I hope you wake up, it's because you don't battle sin. I got the term "Wake up" from (Revelation 3:2) NIV. Revelation, where Jesus advised every one of the seven churches to "Repent".That's the same advise I give to you.

Jesus Christ was sent to save us from sin, sent as the only acceptable sacrifice for sin. Now if you believe Jesus Christ is the "Lamb of God", sent to save us from sin, wouldn't confession of sin be to the best way to show God you believe in him?
---David on 4/28/17


David what is it about the statement "Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believes that Jesus is the Son of God?", or any other statement that I've made, that gives you the impression that I need to :o)"wake up"? I don't battle sin, I focus on and embraced the righteousness of God through Christ, for His word abides and endures within me. My hope, is in Christ.
---josef on 4/27/17




"If Sin is in the world, and you still sin, have you overcome the world?"
My belief is as it is written, Jesus has taken away the sins of the world. With the world, as used here, representing the inhabitants of the planet that believe, adheres to, trust in, and relies on, Him. I do believe, without question, that He is the Son of God, referred to, for sins sake, as the lamb of God. I believe Jesus was the atoning sacrifice for sin. Therefore yes David, I know that I have overcome the 'world', as in this sensually based system of things with its rules and adornments. Adornments that entice and seduce the senses, and rules conforming to and dependent upon sensual dictates and passions.
---josef on 4/27/17


Romans 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

The law tells us what sin is. We are convicted by the law which is a tutor to bring us to Jesus. Galatians.

James also compares the law to a mirror. It shows us the dirt in our lives. But Paul makes sure we know the law tells what sin is.

But it is not the cure. Grace and being Born Again filled with the Holy Spirit is the cure.

Let us look to Jesus. So we will not walk in sin. But live in love. Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 4/27/17


"Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believes that Jesus is the Son of God?" ---josef

Josef
If Sin is in the world, and you still sin, have you overcome the world?

That sin in your life, the one you really battle with, may look like a curse, but it's really a blessing. Haven't you wondered why the sin is still there, after all these years?

It's a blessing, because when the power it had over you, the power which causes you to sin is gone, it's your sign, which tells you, you have been adopted by God, adopted as a son. (1 John 3:10)

Josef, I have a great hope for you, a hope you wake up in time.
---David on 4/27/17


David: "there is No way, you could have received this knowledge from one of the many man made doctrines"

You're right. I got it from the Bible. The Antinomians are politically correct snowflakes, in that they want a trophy for winning the race without ever leaving the starting line.


"Jesus did not take away the Law, he changed it (Hebrews 7:14)."

I disagree. Heb 7:14 doesn't mention the Law - only the nature of the priesthood (Levitical vs. Melchisedec).

Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.


---Jerry6593 on 4/27/17


Re:"Rev 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne." How is this done? "The word of God abides in you, And you have overcome the wicked one." How did we overcome? "[We] overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of [our] testimony" Who are we? "Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believes that Jesus is the Son of God?" How is this victory obtained? "Whatever is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world, our faith."
---josef on 4/26/17




We must fight the good fight of faith and wrestle against temptation to sin, so that by God's power (Grace) we may become over comers--Jerry

Jerry
You must be speaking from your experience, for there is No way, you could have received this knowledge from one of the many man made doctrines. Their doctrines come from experience too, only their experience comes from those who merely start the race, and not from those who have finished.

They are not taught we are under the Law of Christ, that Law, God puts into their minds and writes on their hearts. When we say Law, they think we refer to the Law God gave Moses, not the Law of Christ (John 1:17).

Jesus did not take away the Law, he changed it (Hebrews 7:14).
---David on 4/26/17


David: I think you are on the right track. Salvation is not completed at the initial acceptance of Jesus. It is just beginning with this Justification - the blotting out of past sins. We must then walk with Jesus the rest of our lives in Sanctification - being made holy. We must fight the good fight of faith and wrestle against temptation to sin, so that by God's power (Grace) we may become overcomers.

Rev 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.



---Jerry6593 on 4/25/17


Josef
It's all about Love, not imagined... but real. Our love for God, and his love for us. Love that can only develop from a daily walk with God. A walk that's impossible, when we go through life with unforgiven sin.

Most believers, unknowingly, go through life separated from God, with only an occasional confession of sin, which can only temporarily restore the light. In this type of relationship, the love for God, needed to break this sin bondage, becomes impossible.

Stay in the light and this relationship will develop. Sin becomes less, when your love for God grows greater than your temptation to sin. Eventually sin dies.
---David on 4/24/17


David: Peter spoke of these lawless interpreters of Paul's writers. He said:

2Pe 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

Paul also wrote:

Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

Either Paul is self-conflicted or these Antinonianists are. I think that Paul is OK, but the pseudoscholars here on CN need educating.

Look to Jesus for your answers. Did He keep the Law? Yes!



---Jerry6593 on 4/24/17


David, by the way, I do believe you, I have no reason not to. What would be the purpose of your lying to me. Who am I. I can take you at your word because I believe, as it is written, the believer can do all thing through Christ, which strengthens them. I believe that with the Father, all things are possible, to them that believe. That's why I said in my previous post, good for you. That wasn't a dig.
---josef on 4/23/17


Here is a verse that may answer your question about the Law:
"Dont assume that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill." Matt 5:17-18 (HCSB)

The purpose of The Law is to show us what God requires to obtain salvation, but the only person able to do that was Christ. By accepting Christ as Saviour, a person meets God's requirements to be with Him in heaven. Bottom line: We don't work FOR our salvation but BECAUSE of our salvation. A Christian should say, "What would Christ do in any situation they confront, not what does the Law require?
---WIVV on 4/23/17


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David, and I never said you were bragging, I took what you said then, as now, as an explanation of how you overcame sin in an attempt to help me. I understand the concept, It is the love of the Father that has enabled me to accept His word that Jesus took upon Himself the sin of the world, and that His presence in the world signified the fulfillment of the law and the prophets. That their purpose was complete in Him, for those of us who believe. As one regenerated spiritually, and renewed mentally from above, I know that I can not sin because I understand that to sin under the covenant of grace is to miss the mark of my high calling, in Christ. I hit that mark when I, by His love and grace, acknowledged and confessed Jesus as Lord and Saviour.
---josef on 4/23/17


Josef
Believe me,.... though I understand why you may think I'm bragging,.... I don't think of myself more highly than I should. I overcame sin, not because I posess the strength of an Arc Angel, but because I possessed the love a son has for his Father.

You see for many years, I fought against sin as a man would fight against a foe. My strength against his strength, when the true strength against sin, comes from our love for God.

It's kind of like someone in a vain attempt to fight a vampire in a movie. They lose the battle when it's their strength against the vampires strength. When all they really have to do is show them the Cross, or throw open the curtains, and let the light in.
---David on 4/23/17


The Law of Moses helps to expose sin . . . exposing what in me makes me able to sin.

And in the Law I see things which help to show me how God is and how He wants us to love.

For one example > Leviticus 19:18 < this is where our Second Love Commandment is, to love others as ourselves. And in this same verse it says not to hold grudges or seek revenge. So, loving others as myself includes being as willing for others to be forgiven, as I am willing to be forgiven, myself, I can see from this.
---Bill on 4/21/17


But now, we are not under the law which was contrary to us Col 2:10-14. Observing days is weak and beggarly, as is the law Gal 4:9-11, Rom 14:1-7.
---michael_e on 4/21/17


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I have not committed that, or any other sin. Good for you David. You have obviously reached a point that the Father has yet to bring me to. Personally Father has shown me not to consider myself more highly than I should. For like the rich man who came to Jesus sincerely believing that he had kept the law, Jesus loving him, gently pointed out to him that as earnestly as he had attempted, and perhaps successfully, kept the letter of the law, he unfortunately failed miserably when it came to the spirit of the law. David I'm not suggesting that you have done the same, I'm simply saying that I know that I have failed. Therefore I look to the faith of Jesus and His atoning sacrifice to justify me, rather than the law, kept or otherwise.
---josef on 4/21/17


(Romans 7:13).....But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good, that sin by the commandment might become exceedingly sinful.

Josef
I was once given a commandment like the one Paul mentions above. I didn't know why it was there, but it was. When I broke the commandment, God punished me. This went on for many years, but after I started following the Holy Spirit, the sin became exceedingly sinful.

Exceedly to the point, where one day after I sinned, I dropped to my knees in tears, crying like a baby for about and hour, as I sat alone with God, asking God to forgive me. Relief came, and ever since that day, I have not committed that, or any other sin.
---David on 4/21/17


---Samuelbb7 - So the law tells us what is sin and what we should not do. James says the law is like a mirror. It shows us our problems but does not cure them.

Do you limit the law here to the moral law or to the law given by Moses. Say, for instance, do you believe you can break the law about lighting a fire in your home on the Sabbath.

Ex 35:3 Ye shall kindle no fire throughout your habitations upon the sabbath day.

If you impose the Jewish Sabbath onto people, you must also impose how it is to be observed.
---riolion on 4/20/17


We are not under the Law after sin dies, but we are under the Law before sin dies. Paul says the same in (Romans 7:1) David, sin doesn't die, the believer dies to the law, which is sin's strength. How? See (Rom 7:4) "I have been crucified with Christ, it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me, and the life which I now live in the flesh, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me, and gave Himself for me. But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world. For [Father] made [Jesus] who knew no sin to be [the] sin [offering] for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him." In our unity with Christ, there is no sin.
---josef on 4/20/17


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Correction to previous post, this line should have read, "I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave Himself for me". The former makes it sound as if I thought I had something to do with this new life, I don't, I simply acquiesce by His grace, and the empowerment of His Spirit.
---josef on 4/20/17


Josef
Great answer!
Did you notice (Galatians 3:23) says, those who need a School Master are Under The Law?

We are not under the Law after sin dies, but we are under the Law before sin dies. Paul says the same in (Romans 7:1).

And how do we know sin has died? (1 John 3:9-10) KJV
So it's True, "We are not under the Law", but it's only true,....of those who have been born of God.
---David on 4/20/17


True the law leads us to Jesus. It tells us we are sinner and need to be saved.

Romans 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

So the law tells us what is sin and what we should not do. James says the law is like a mirror. It shows us our problems but does not cure them.

That takes Grace and the blood of Jesus.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 4/19/17


AMEN, Josef.
---Rob on 4/19/17


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'What role do you believe, "The Law", plays in our lives.."
"The law was our schoolmaster, instructor, tutor, or guardian to bring or lead us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith." Gal 3:24 seems clear to me.
---josef on 4/19/17


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