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Which modern Christian Denominations teach that we are NOT bound by the Ten Commandments?

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David:

A nswer this: Why did Paul say we are no longer under the law? Either he was a valid Christian teacher, and his teachings should be believed, or he was an apostate heretic, and his letters should be ripped out of the Bible and burned. Which of these two do you believe?

If we love our neighbor and God, we will refrain from murder, blasphemy, etc. without needing the law to tell us so, and we won't teach anyone to murder and blaspheme - so we will be fine under Matthew 5:19.
---StrongAxe on 5/6/17


Teaching that believers are under the law is a heresy, contrary to the Bible.
Rom 3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
Rom 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
Gal 3:23-25 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
Gal 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
---micha9344 on 5/6/17


"Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven." (Matthew 5:19)

For those of you who don't believe you are under any Law.
Why does the Lord call those who keep and teach the commandments, "Great in heaven", if we are not under the Law?
---David on 5/6/17


John, what do you believe Jesus meant when He said, "For the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath Day"?

You are correct that the Scribes and Pharisees were trying to trick and condemn Jesus and His disciples. What do think Jesus was teaching in Matt 12? Why did He tell them they had condemned the guiltless? His disciples had not done anything that was not lawful. Right? Some people today do the same by asking, do you drive to church on the Sabbath, do you pick up something that has fallen on the floor, do you cook, do you do this or that?
---barb on 5/6/17


Cluny, Matthew 12:1-25 and John 5:1-18.
---barb on 5/5/17




barb ask, "If they could not possibly keep the Sabbath, why would Jesus bother to correct them and why would He lead them on to believe they could?"

ma'am, remember, the context they were not keeping the Sabbath, "15 The Lord then answered him, and said, Thou hypocrite, doth not each one of you on the sabbath loose his ox or his ass from the stall, and lead him away to watering?"Lk 13.

Also, the passage tells us they raised these thing to try to find fault with the Lord Jesus to discredit him with the people.
---john9346 on 5/5/17


The Holy Spirit instructs us in Heb 4:1-10that the Lord Jesus Christ is our "Sabbath Rest." not a day.

The Lord Jesus is our "Sabbath." and we don't have to wait to Saturday or Sunday to rest in him we can rest in him 24 hours a day 365 days a year...
---john9346 on 5/5/17


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John, and yet Jesus never told the Scribes and Pharisees that He was keeping the Sabbath and the other nine commandments for them, instead He corrected them in the way of Sabbath keeping.\\

BCV, please, barb.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/5/17


John, and yet Jesus never told the Scribes and Pharisees that He was keeping the Sabbath and the other nine commandments for them, instead He corrected them in the way of Sabbath keeping. If they could not possibly keep the Sabbath, why would Jesus bother to correct them and why would He lead them on to believe they could?
---barb on 5/5/17


Barb ask, "Did Jesus break the Sabbath?"

No ma'am, the Lord Jesus Christ (God incarnate) was the fulfillment of the Sabbath. Simply because only God alone could keep and obey fully the Sabbath and the entire Mosaic Law.

"Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath." Mk 2:28
---john9346 on 5/4/17




In the New Testament Jesus was accused by the Scribes and Pharisees quite a few times of breaking the Sabbath and on at least one occasion they sought to lay hands on Him for it. Did Jesus break the Sabbath? Did His disciples break the Sabbath?
---barb on 5/4/17


Dear jerry:

Sir, I appreciate your honesty in stating that you can not answer the Biblical Fundamental Questions that we all have asked you regarding the 10C and the Mosaic Law:

Keep in mind the following:

1. The Ten Commandments being of the "Mosaic Law." were fulfilled in our Lord God and Saviour the Lord Jesus Christ Matt 5:17-18...

2. The Mosaic Law (Schoolmaster) served its purpose by leading us to Christ.

3. No one can keep the10C if we could then there would have been no need for the Lord Jesus.


---john9346 on 5/4/17


Jerry:

Sir, again, I affirm the London Baptist Confession of faith of 1689

What you cited was a manual not a "Confession of faith."

Like I said to you before read ch 19 of the LBC of 1689 and then raise objections.


Thanks,

John
---john9346 on 5/4/17


Violating the Sabbath was a serious offense, and the person who worked on the Sabbath was to be cut off from among his people, *Exodus 31:14 .

During their wandering in the wilderness the Israelites brought to trial a man found gathering wood on the Sabbath. He was stoned to death according to the commandment of the Lord for profaning the Sabbath, *Numbers 15:32-36

OK, so exactly where in the NT do we see ANY example of someone accused or punished for violating the Sabbath? This is really the bottom line to this question.

Christ in me has fulfilled the 7th day, pointing to Genesis 1 and we now ENTER HIS REST, as so clearly explained by Christian Jews in Hebrews 3-4. We don't keep it we ENTER IT.
---kathr4453 on 5/4/17


Dear John (I like the sound of that): I have neither the time nor the inclination to reread your irrelevant drivel. It appears that you are a Baptist. OK then:

"We believe that the law of God is the eternal and imperishable rule of His moral government." - Baptist Church Manual.

So then, if you are indeed a Baptist, then you are not adhering to your church's foundational beliefs.



---Jerry6593 on 5/4/17


jerry6593 ask, "what did you say concerning the blog question."

Sir, i'd invite you to please rereadthe Blog Responses... my response and others are all there in writing.

I affirm the London Baptist Confession of faith of 1689 i'd invite you to read ch 19 on the Law of God.

Sir, are you going to answer our questions this is the third time asking you to do so?
---john9346 on 5/3/17


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Jerry6593 said, "
Now for your daily Bible lesson:

Deu 6:5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

Lev 19:18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD."

Sir, tell me, who fulfilled these 2 commandments??
---john9346 on 5/3/17


My SDA Friends either refuse or can't answer "Scripturally." the following questions that certain individuals have asked them:




1. If we are under the Law of Moses, why wasn't the Priesthood of Jesus Christ, compared to the Priesthood of Aaron's?

2. What about the other 603 commandments from the Law of Moses?

3. why do the same Christians who insist on obeying the Ten Commandments feel free to ignore many parts of the Law of Moses? If they weren't, why did the Jews feel obliged to obey them, and why did none of the old testament prophets say anything against them?

4. Do you understand according to the Mosaic Law eating at restaurants that prepare Unclean Foods means you are cursed??
---john9346 on 5/3/17


john: "Sir, first, everyone here has addressed your question now we are all waiting for you to answer ours:"

Really? I must have missed them. If you obeyed the Ten Commandments, you would tell the truth. Speaking for yourself, what did you say concerning the blog question. What denomination are you, and what is your founder's position on the 10C?

Now for your daily Bible lesson:

Deu 6:5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

Lev 19:18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.


---Jerry6593 on 5/3/17


Jesus tells us several times that He and His Father are one which leads me to believe that the commandments of God that Jesus kept are the same commandments that He tells us to keep if we love Him.

A new commandment does not do away with the ten commandments of God. To understand why Jesus gave a new commandment to His disciples we can go back to John 13 where He first gives them the new commandment "A new commandment I give unto you, that you love one another, as I have loved you, that you also love one another. By this shall All Men know that You are My Disciples, if You have Love One to Another". John 13:31-35. By keeping this new commandment, Jesus' followers would be known to all men as His disciples.
---barb on 5/3/17


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Jhn 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love, even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
- So, what is the difference between Jesus' commandments and the Father's commandments?
-Jesus, above, differentiated between them, so they must be different.
-I remember the tenor of this discussion with Trav and it seems to fit here and another recent blog about the spirit.
-Just because the same word is used in different passages does not give it the same meaning. Context, context, context.
-Commandments do not always mean the 10C.
Jhn 13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another, as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
---micha9344 on 5/2/17


Jerry,

Sir, first, everyone here has addressed your question now we are all waiting for you to answer ours::

Again:



1. If we are under the Law of Moses, why wasn't the Priesthood of Jesus Christ, compared to the Priesthood of Aaron's?

2. What about the other 603 commandments from the Law of Moses?

3. why do the same Christians who insist on obeying the Ten Commandments feel free to ignore many parts of the Law of Moses? If they weren't, why did the Jews feel obliged to obey them, and why did none of the old testament prophets say anything against them?

4. Do you understand according to the Mosaic Law eating at restaurants that prepare Unclean Foods means you are cursed??

---john9346 on 5/2/17


jerry6593:

"But did you know that Jesus was quoting them from the Old Testament?"

Chapter and verse?

"Did you also know that Paul quoted the New Covenant from the OT, and that it was Jesus Himself who wrote the 10C in stone? That's why He called them "MY Commandments"."

Chapter and verse?










Bill: You're right about the two love laws and the 10C. But did you know that Jesus was quoting them from the Old Testament? Did you also know that Paul quoted the New Covenant from the OT, and that it was Jesus Himself who wrote the 10C in stone? That's why He called them "MY Commandments".





---john9346 on 5/2/17


john: You apparently are unable to address the blog question, instead raising the same old tired and irrelevant distractions. I will make it simple for you. What denomination are you? You do know that, don't you?



Bill: You're right about the two love laws and the 10C. But did you know that Jesus was quoting them from the Old Testament? Did you also know that Paul quoted the New Covenant from the OT, and that it was Jesus Himself who wrote the 10C in stone? That's why He called them "MY Commandments".



---Jerry6593 on 5/2/17


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Jerry6593 states, "ALL will be FULFILLED when - and only when - heaven and earth pass away."

Sir, before the Lord Jesus stated, "heaven and earth pass away." He had all ready stated how the law would be fulfilled.

"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil."

vs 18 is a continuation of vs 17.
---john9346 on 5/1/17


Jerry sir,

Hope you will answer the questions that have been asked of you by me and others here see below:

1. If we are under the Law of Moses, why wasn't the Priesthood of Jesus Christ, compared to the Priesthood of Aaron's?

2. What about the other 603 commandments from the Law of Moses?

3. why do the same Christians who insist on obeying the Ten Commandments feel free to ignore many parts of the Law of Moses? If they weren't, why did the Jews feel obliged to obey them, and why did none of the old testament prophets say anything against them?

4. Do you understand according to the Mosaic Law eating at restaurants that prepare Unclean Foods means you are cursed??
---john9346 on 5/1/17


Jerry, I do not try to keep track of what denominations teach.

According to what I find in the Bible, we are not keeping the Ten Commandments, if we are not keeping the two greatest commandments, which are to love God with all we have and love our neighbor as ourselves. Without loving the way God wants, we are not keeping the Ten.

Our Sabbath commandment includes that our servants do not work. We love our servants as ourselves, by making sure they also benefit from rest.

But our Heavenly Father works on the Sabbath. And we are commanded to love God by following His example >

"Therefore be imitators of God as dear children." (Ephesians 5:1)

So, we always are to work with God > Philippians 2:13 (c:
---Bill on 5/1/17


john: This is not that difficult. ALL will be FULFILLED when - and only when - heaven and earth pass away. Until then not one jot or tittle shall pass from the Law of God.

Stop your tap-dance and answer the blog question. If you want to really be a Christian, try a little honesty.


---Jerry6593 on 5/1/17


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jerry6593:

Sir, what the Lord Jesus states in vs 17 "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil."

He states a Second Time in vs 18, "For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."

Note, he stated twice, "fulfill in vs 17 and 18."
---john9346 on 4/30/17


Jerry6593:

You wrote: They 10C are NOT destroyed. Answer the blog question and stop wasting space.

No, they aren't, and neither is any of the Law of Moses. It is a covenant God made with the Jews, and it is still in effect, for anyone who wishes to be part of it (i.e. Jews). Becoming part of that covenant is signified by males being circumcized on the 8th day.

We, as Christians are NOT part of that covenant. We are part of a NEW covenant. We signify accepting that covenant by baptism, not circumcision. See what Paul said about circumcision, and about exactly WHICH parts of the Jewish Law new Christians are required to believe.
---StrongAxe on 4/30/17


Barb, the Everlasting Covenant was promised BY GOD, and spoken before the Law or Mosaec Covenant. Even in the OT God fortold of away with the old, and make a New Covenant with Israel. Ezekiel 36, BUT The covenant God made with Abraham, the promise of Isaac, had nothing to do with the Mosaec Covenant, except that Jesus was fortold to be coming through the line of Judah. In Isaac will thy seed be called, and the seed is Christ. Abraham saw in a vision the death and resurrection of Jesus, through the experience of sacrificing Isaac. Jesus said, ABRAHAM REJOICED TO SEE MY DAY...HE SAW IT AND WAS GLAD. I don't think you understand the Bible at all Barb if your faith ends with Jesus before His death and resurrection. You're still in your sin.
---kathr4453 on 4/30/17


Kathr, God made the oath, I committed/promised to the keeping of His ten commandments.

Your argument is not with me, but with God. "For this commandment that I command you today is Not too difficult for you, nor is it out of reach." Duet 30:10-20, 1st John 5:3.
---barb on 4/30/17


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Kathr, God made the oath, I committed/promised to the keeping of His ten commandments.

Your argument is not with me, but with God. "For this commandment that I command you today is Not too difficult for you, nor is it out of reach." Duet 30:10-20, 1st John 5:3.
---barb on 4/30/17


john: ""Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil." Matt 5:17

Too bad you stopped at v. 17. If heaven and earth no longer existed, you would be right. But they do, and you're not. They 10C are NOT destroyed. Answer the blog question and stop wasting space.

Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
---Jerry6593 on 4/30/17


(Hebrews 7)
11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.


Jerry
In the above passage, of the two Priesthood's mentioned, notice the Priesthood of Jesus Christ is being compared to Melchisedec's. If we are under the Law of Moses, why wasn't the Priesthood of Jesus Christ, compared to the Priesthood of Aaron's?
---David on 4/30/17


"Cursed be he that confirmeth not all the words of this law to do them. And all the people shall say, Amen." Deut 27:26.

Barb, no one can keep the words of the law to do them. You stated on another blog the curse ONLY applies to those who have taken an oath to do them. Ok...so you took this oath( which by the way in the NT we are not to take oaths). But since you did, you placed yourself under the curses. CORRECT. Now If you say you have never broken the law, I would say that is a lie. Every single person but Jesus has broken the law. So, please tell us all the curses you have personally experienced WHEN you broke the law. Now remember there is no verse in the OT that says UNLESS you repent.
---kathr4453 on 4/30/17


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Kathr, the only Words I savor proceed from the mouth of God. Duet 8:3, Matt 4:4, John 12:43-50.
---barb on 4/30/17


Barb, the covenant we are under is the "everlasting covenant" sealed with the blood of Jesus. Hebrews 13: 20-21

Now the God of Peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, that great shepherd of the sheep, THROUGH THE BLOOD OF THE EVERLASTING COVENANT make you perfect in every good work to do His will, WORKING IN YOU that which is well pleasing in His sight, THROUGH JESUS CHRIST to whom be glory forever and ever. AMEN.

Please savor every single word in these two verses. The 10 Commandments were NOT through Jesus Christ, and the 10 is not THE EVERLASTING COVENANT.

The ONLY covenant I'm under is the "Everlasting Covenant". It's the only one WITH POWER and GLORY.
---kathr4453 on 4/29/17


michael_e,

amen amen to what you said answering Jerry's Question...



The ones that have learned right division

---michael_e on 4/28/17




---john9346 on 4/29/17


\\"But in vain, they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men." Matt 15.
---barb on 4/28/17\\

One of these traditions of men is that references to The Law in the NT mean only the Decalougue.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/28/17


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barb:

You wrote: Does anyone understand that the covenant that God made with His people and sealed with an oath was the ten commandments?

What about the other 603 commandments from the Law of Moses? Were they not also part of the same covenant? If they were, why do the same Christians who insist on obeying the Ten Commandments feel free to ignore many parts of the Law of Moses? If they weren't, why did the Jews feel obliged to obey them, and why did none of the old testament prophets say anything against them?
---StrongAxe on 4/29/17


Does anyone understand that the Ten Commandments are of the Mosaic Law which was fulfilled in the Lord Jesus Christ

"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil." Matt 5:17

Does anyone understand that the requirements of the Mosaic Law which included the Ten Commandments had to be obeyed completely and if not you were cursed??

""Cursed be he that confirmeth not all the words of this law to do them. And all the people shall say, Amen." Deut 27:26.
---john9346 on 4/29/17


The people standing there at Sinai were, "Israelites." a Nation of people not a denomination or a church...





3 And Moses went up unto God, and the Lord called unto him out of the mountain, saying, Thus shalt thou say to the house of Jacob, and tell the children of Israel,

4 Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians, and how I bare you on eagles' wings, and brought you unto myself.

5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:

6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.
---john9346 on 4/29/17


barb: You bring up a good point about the 10C being the subject of the Covenant. (After all, the stone tablets were kept in the Ark of the _____.) I find it richly humorous that many lawless ones here claim that the 10C were only for the Jews under the Old Covenant, and they are under the New C as Christians, when the New C was the same Law written on the heart, and was given to (guess who) - THE JEWS.


cluny: "You didn't answer MY question."

Maybe because it wasn't on the blog topic. BTW, I looked up your Orthodox Church's standing on the 10C. They are in favor of it. (With the exception that they prefer the Catholic Sabbath (Sunday) rather than the Biblical one.) Why aren't you?



---Jerry6593 on 4/29/17


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Does anyone understand that the covenant that God made with His people and sealed with an oath was the ten commandments?

"It is not what enters into the mouth that defiles the man, but what proceeds out of the mouth, this defiles the man." Matt 15:1-20.

"Why do you break the commandment of God by your tradition?" Matt 15:1-20.

"But in vain, they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men." Matt 15.
---barb on 4/28/17


Jerry6593:

You wrote: I notice that not a single response addresses the blog question, but rather most continue to espouse the same lawless drivel. What are you afraid of?

Perhaps nobody is answering that, because it's a trick question. If someone says "my denomination teaches that", you could say, "why do you believe differently from most Christians?", and if someone says "no denomination teaches that", you could say, "why do you believe differently even from your own denomination?". It's a lose-lose situation.
---StrongAxe on 4/28/17



strongaxe,

Things to note:

1. My point exactly my SDA Friends and others must answer the questions you raise about fabrics and women cycles.

2. There is "No." picking and choosing as to what part of the Mosaic Law they will obey.

3. If you pick and choose you are cursed Deut 27:26 Gal 3:10...

4. We are not under the Mosaic Law, but the Law of Christ...
---john9346 on 4/28/17


The dietary laws are not part of the ten commandments and were for the time and place wherein the Israelites were living.
---barb on 4/27/17

But the Holy Spirit instructed Moses to say otherwise:

"Do not defile yourselves by any of these creatures. Do not make yourselves unclean by means of them or be made unclean by them. 44 I am the Lord your God, consecrate yourselves and be holy, because I am holy. Do not make yourselves unclean by any creature that moves along the ground. 45 I am the Lord, who brought you up out of Egypt to be your God, therefore be holy, because I am holy.
Lev11:43-45



---john9346 on 4/28/17


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\\I notice that not a single response addresses the blog question, but rather most continue to espouse the same lawless drivel. What are you afraid of?\\

You're one to talk and complain, Jerry.

You didn't answer MY question.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/28/17


Jesus came to save us from our SINS. He did NOT come to save us from obedience to the 10C Law. He saved us from the penalty for our sins - death (Rom 6:23).
---Jerry6593 on 4/27/17

So, this is the Gospel, in your words? But must we continue to perform the 10C or else we will sin and die?

My statement of the Gospel is this:

2 Cor 5:18-19 "Now all these things are from God, who reconciled us to Himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation, namely, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and He has committed to us the word of reconciliation".

Relationship is what it is about, not performance.
---Mark_Eaton on 4/28/17


//Which modern Christian Denominations teach that we are NOT bound by the Ten Commandments?//

The ones that have learned right division
---michael_e on 4/28/17


john9346:

You wrote: But the Ten Commandments and the Dietary Restrictions are all part of the Mosaic Law

Yes. However, most of the people here who are so insistent on obeying the Ten Commandments by saying we are still bound by God's Law (especially the SDAs who use this view to justify the idea that we are obliged to keep the Saturday sabbath) say we're NOT bound by the other Mosaic laws. They say some have been fulfilled by Christ's sacrifice, but can't justify others, like no blending fabrics, separating women during their time of the month, etc.

Which parts of the Mosaic law do YOU think we are still obliged to keep?
---StrongAxe on 4/28/17


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Isa 30:9 ... this is a rebellious people, lying children, children that will NOT HEAR THE LAW of the LORD:

I notice that not a single response addresses the blog question, but rather most continue to espouse the same lawless drivel. What are you afraid of?


---Jerry6593 on 4/28/17


Barb states, "The dietary laws are not part of the ten commandments."

But the Ten Commandments and the Dietary Restrictions are all part of the Mosaic Law,

When Yahweh commandedthe the Mosaic Law to be kept he didn't say just the Ten Commandments, but all of it remember Deut 27:26...

Obedience to Food Laws had to with obedience to Yahweh not specific placessee, Lev 11:44...
---john9346 on 4/27/17


These are the FACTS that you Antinomians don't want to face.
---Jerry6593 on 4/27/17

What facts are you talking about?

It is you who continue to waste blog space over and over talking about the 10C and especially the Fourth commandment.

I rarely communicate with you because you seem stiff-necked (unteachable).

I choose to see Jesus as Truth, not a truth, not another truth, but the Truth and Jesus said "If you continue in My word, then you are truly disciples of Mine, and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free".

The phrase "My word" are not the Scriptures and not the 10C, but are the rhema of the Son.
---Mark_Eaton on 4/27/17


\\Jerry6593 states, "The 10C Law defines sin (1 John 3:4)." \\

That means that simple fornication is NOT sin, because it's not mentioned in the Decalogue.

I also noticed you did NOT answer my query about why you posted the same thing twice.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/27/17


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The ten commandments is the covenant between God and His people. Duet 4:12-16. And God also said, "That thou should enter into covenant with the Lord thy God, and into His oath, which the Lord thy God makes with you this day."...and "Neither with you only, do I make this covenant with this oath but with him who stands here with us this day before the Lord our God and also With Him who is Not Here with us This Day". Duet 29, John 17:20.

The dietary laws are not part of the ten commandments and were for the time and place wherein the Israelites were living.
---barb on 4/27/17


Jerry6593 states, "The 10C Law defines sin (1 John 3:4)."

And sir did you continue reading what the Holy Spirit had John to continue writing in vs 5-6:

5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins, and in him is no sin.

6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

Jerry my friend the Ten Commandments of the law of Moses can not do what vs 5-6 states...
---john9346 on 4/27/17


According to the Mosaic Law everyone has broken the TenCommandments and if you break 1 you are guilty of breaking them all... resulting in being cursed...

"Cursed be he that confirmeth not all the words of this law to do them. And all the people shall say, Amen." Deut 27:26.

Please note what Moses states, "Cursed be he that confirmeth not all." "Not just the Ten Commandments, but all."

The Lord Jesus Christ lets us know that he fulfilled the Mosaic Law Matt 5:17-20
---john9346 on 4/27/17


question for all my SDA Friends,

Do you eat at Restaurants?

If so do you understand according to the Mosaic Law that the same utensils that prepared your food also was used to prepare pork, and other unclean Foods?

Do you realize that you are sinning according to the Mosaic Law??
---john9346 on 4/27/17


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34 Of all meat which may be eaten, that on which such water cometh shall be unclean: and all drink that may be drunk in every such vessel shall be unclean.

35 And every thing whereupon any part of their carcase falleth shall be unclean, whether it be oven, or ranges for pots, they shall be broken down: for they are unclean and shall be unclean unto you.

Lev 11:34-35
---john9346 on 4/27/17


True we need to call attention to the Sermon on the mount also. It is a blueprint for how we are to live as Christians. So both as well as the whole Bible needs to be studied and followed.

All Scripture is for study to teach us. Some of higher importance but all to be understood.
---Samuelbb7 on 4/27/17


I notice how ones keep calling attention to the Ten Commandments, but they do not give attention to our Two Love Commandments.

And in His Sermon on the Mount, Jesus starts right off with how to be >

"poor in spirit".

And then He says more about how to be >

merciful, meek, and pure in heart.

This is not what to do, but how in our character we need to become. I note how this does not get much attention.
---Bill on 4/26/17


Barb both Jesus and "Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which does those things shall live by them." "But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that does them shall live in them." And "as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: Christ hath redeemed us, [as believers], from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us:" See 1 John 4:8-21. Love fulfills the requirements of law, while faith honors the Son. The question is not whether the law is in force, but whether the believer is bound by the law?
---josef on 4/26/17


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barb states, "Josef, the words you quoted were written by Paul and do not reflect the Word of God."

Ma'am, the Lord Jesus Christ himself appointed PaulThe Apostle see Acts 9, 1 Cor 15:1-9...

Have you not read what the Holy Spirit had Paul to write concerning "Scripture." in 2 Tim 3:15-17????
---john9346 on 4/26/17


barb:

You wrote: Josef, the words you quoted were written by Paul and do not reflect the Word of God.

Does this mean that you believe that the writings of Paul are not the Word of God, so should therefore be excluded from the Bible? Which books of the Bible do you actually believe should be included in it?
---StrongAxe on 4/27/17


Mark E: "First, your grammar is incorrect. Your question should say "bound TO the Ten Commandments" because that is the way we were in sin, bound to the Law."

NO sir, your English is incorrect as well as your theology. The 10C Law defines sin (1 John 3:4). Jesus came to save us from our SINS. He did NOT come to save us from obedience to the 10C Law. He saved us from the penalty for our sins - death (Rom 6:23).

These are the FACTS that you Antinomians don't want to face. You continue to waste blog space on your twisted interpretations of a few of Paul's scriptures, while ignoring the blog question. If it is too hard for you, just tell me what denomination you are and I will do the rest.


---Jerry6593 on 4/27/17


Josef, the words you quoted were written by Paul and do not reflect the Word of God. "For this commandment which I command you today is not too difficult for you nor is it out of reach." Duet 30:11-20, 1st John 5:3.

"But if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments." Matt 19:17.

"For truly, I say to you, until Heaven and Earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until All is accomplished." Matt 5:18.

"Heaven and Earth will pass away but My Words will never pass away." Matt 24:35.
---barb on 4/26/17


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I am unfamiliar with any denominational teaching concerning this. However, In agreement with Father's word. "I through the law, am dead to the law, that I might live unto God." For the Christ, through The Law of liberty, has freed me from the law of sin and death, and I will not be entangled again with that yoke of bondage. I've been delivered from the law, to serve in the newness of the Spirit. Therefore I do consider myself "dead to sin and alive to God through Christ Jesus".
---josef on 4/26/17


Which modern Christian Denominations teach that we are NOT bound by the Ten Commandments?
---Jerry6593 on 4/25/17

Let me try my hand at this.

First, your grammar is incorrect. Your question should say "bound TO the Ten Commandments" because that is the way we were in sin, bound to the Law.

The Apostle Paul in Romans 7:1-3 gives us an illustration of how we were bound to the Law.

But, using the foundation that we having died with Christ (Romans 6), Paul then tells us in Romans 7:4-6 that we are no longer bound to the Law, but we are bound to Jesus.

We now live in newness of spirit, not in the old letter. Jesus brought grace and truth (John 1:17) and we are betrothed to Him.
---Mark_Eaton on 4/26/17


Jerry6593:

Sir, I hope you will listen very closely to Michael_e's Response to yourquestion see below:


The lesson of the law is found in Rom 3:19. The purpose of the law was never to make us holy. It was to bring us to Christ (Gal 3:24).
Gal 3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
Christ did for us what the law could not (Rom 8:3-4). Our identity as Christians depends on our position in Christ by faith not by our obedience to the law. Liberty from the law, not bondage by the Law, will help you advance in your knowledge of Gods will.
---michael_e on 4/26/17

Well said my friend needs no commentary...


---john9346 on 4/26/17


No matter how hard you try to obey all the 10 commandments all the time, you will fail.(James 2:10)
But those that walk by faith will have the grace that God provides for their walk and salvation.

---riolion on 4/20/17




---john9346 on 4/26/17


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jerry6593 ask, "Which modern Christian Denominations teach that we are NOT bound by the Ten Commandments?"

Jerry, sir, all Christians teach this because we understand that the Ten Commandments being of the "Mosaic Law." were fulfilled in our Lord God and Saviour the Lord Jesus Christ...

In the NT, of the Ten only 9 were affirm except the Fourth Commandments...
---john9346 on 4/25/17


Cluny: Every time you cry about it like a little girl. Why is that? Because you have no answers? Every time you and the other antinomianists waste 75 blogs without ever addressing the blog question. You consistently demean the Ten Commandments in spite of the fact that your Orthodox denomination (according to your official website) upholds them. I want to know why, without all the meaningless diversions you normally serve up.



---Jerry6593 on 4/26/17


Many teach the law not knowing the lesson it was supposed to teach.
1 Tim 1:7 Desiring to be teachers of the law, understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.
The lesson of the law is found in Rom 3:19. The purpose of the law was never to make us holy. It was to bring us to Christ (Gal 3:24).
Gal 3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
Christ did for us what the law could not (Rom 8:3-4). Our identity as Christians depends on our position in Christ by faith not by our obedience to the law. Liberty from the law, not bondage by the Law, will help you advance in your knowledge of Gods will.
---michael_e on 4/26/17


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