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Why do believers, who are not under Gods Law, call themselves Law Breakers/Sinners, when sin is the transgression of the Law? If they are incapable of sin, wouldn't it be impossible to be a sinner?

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Josef, the words Abraham's Bosom is used once in scripture. It is used as one of MANY TERMS used to describe a place where those who have passed go. Luke gives a DETAILED description of this place. It is believed as I too believe, that when Jesus rose from the dead, this place where the righteous were, somewhere ABOVE, as we see the man LOOKED UP is the same e place Paul was taken up in the Spirit, he also called the 3rd heaven,now in heaven but before , this was the same place Jesus went, PARADISE, when He died .....we also know this place was called hell...Thou will not LEAVE my soul in HELL.....is also in scripture.

I'm sure if you read a d pray about it, the Holy Spirit our TEACHER will illuminate your understanding.
---kathr4453 on 6/9/17


then Jesus lied to Mary 2 days later when He said to Mary that He had not yet ascended to Heaven.
---Jerry6593 on 6/9/17

This is where your denomination fails you.

Jesus was talking about his physical body when he was talking to Mary. Remember, He told her, "don't touch Me"?

But that does not mean His Spirit was prevented from going to Paradise.

You see, Jesus and everyone's Spirit went to Abraham's bosom, or Paradise.

You are the one who limits Scripture. You have said before in these blogs that the story of Lazarus in Abraham's bosom was just a parable, not fact. But, Jesus told it and He knows whether it is fact or fiction. And He never said it was fiction.
---Mark_Eaton on 6/9/17


Kathr. You've not given a definition of sin from scripture.

Please read 1John 1 and note context. It "bear witness, and declare to you that eternal life" (verse 2). It declares gospel of eternal life. To who? The lost, who are still in sin.

1John 1:6 describes these lost/sinners, who claim to know God, but walk in darkness/unbelief. They're self righteous, claiming to be without sin (1John 1:8) by their own works (much like Paul before conversion, Phil 3:6).

Note below the position of lost/sinner.

1John 3:6 Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him
1John 3:8 He who sins is of the devil
John 8:34 Most assuredly, I say to you, whoever commits sin is a slave of sin
---Haz27 on 6/9/17


David. I suspect you say you're sinless because you think you obey the law perfectly. ---Haz27

Haz
I know you mean well in telling me these things, but just like Paul, God used a commandment/Law, to bring about my death to sin. (Romans 7:9)

I'm not arguing doctrine, I'm telling you a fact. I was a sinner, and I broke the commandment God put into my mind. For many years I broke it, and God would punish me every time I did.

But when I actually turned to God, at 41, and began a relationship with him, I tried to keep that commandment for a different reason. That reason was love. And after about 6 months, the desire to sin died. Not the Law, but sin.
---David on 6/9/17


Mark E: You are confused. If your interpretation of Jesus' remark to the thief is correct, then Jesus lied to Mary 2 days later when He said to Mary that He had not yet ascended to Heaven. On the other hand, my take on Jesus' remark does not make a Liar of Jesus, because He said:

Luk 23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee today, Thou shalt be with me in paradise.

What a difference a comma can make!

Your Jesus is a liar. Mine is not.




john: Blah, blah, blah. You still admit that God wrote the Ten Commandments in stone, yet you still maintain that they are Moses' creation. Talk about cognitive dissonance!"


---Jerry6593 on 6/9/17




First to Haz27, I see you put scripture, but fail to really grasp those verses. Haz our old man IS SIN. Sin is the very essence of our OLD MAN. And yes, our old man is crucified with Christ and we are raised up a new creature. The NEW CREATURE is sinless, HOWEVER, we still carry around our old man, and that old man, if NOT kept under check to DIE DAILY, can and will SIN.

Once our bodies are changed in the twinkling of an eye, and we become immortal with our GLORIFIED BODIES, and in heaven we will no longer have to die daily. And scripture in Rev says SIN WILL NOT EBTER IN. If you KNOW your Bible Haz27, you SHOULD KNOW where all of this is taught.

If you can sin, you are not sinless. Your OLD MAN can still sin, and DOES.
---kathr4453 on 6/9/17


1 John 1: 8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Haz27, 1 John was written to Christians, is not a book on HOW to become saved. We are saved by believing Jesus died and rose again for our sin. 1 John is about our walk AFTER we are born again. Confessing our sin .... Just think about it. Where is salvation taught that is is solely on confessing our sin? It's not. No one is saved because they confessed sin ONCE, and walla, their sinless?????? Where is that taught Haz27?
---kathr4453 on 6/9/17


Kathr. I note you have no scripture to support your claim that Christians still remain in sin.

BTW, JW doctrine does not say Christians are without sin.

Can you give us your definition, from scripture, of sin, and how Christians can be charged with that sin.

As you allege we have a faulty understanding of 1John 3:9, then really you are obliged to justify your claim.
---Haz27 on 6/8/17


"So Paradise AKA Abrahams Bosom"
Where in scripture is Abraham's bosom referred to as paradise, or paradise as Abraham's bosom? Kathr please document your statement. Thanks
---josef on 6/8/17


Jerry6593 states, "john: You now admit that God wrote the Ten Commandments in stone, yet you still maintain that they are Moses' creation. Talk about cognitive dissonance!"


Sir, pay attention, did you not read the Lord Jesus's Words Lk 16:29-31, Lk 24:44-45.

Then listen to the words of the Lord Jesus in Jn 14:15-23.

You still haven't established from "Scripture." that the 10C is not apart of the Mosaic Law.
---john9346 on 6/8/17




Kathr, on any given day the church fathers could quote, cite along with chapter and verse "Scripture." (books and chapters)

Tell us, How many books of the bible you can quote, cite from memory without reading or looking up the verses??

The church fathers could do this with no problem can you?
---john9346 on 6/8/17


I believe if one understands scripture, as say in Hebrews, we see before Jesus died and rose again NO ONE was in the presence of GodRE HEAVEN. So Paradise AKA Abrahams Bosom, AKA Hades, Sheol etc describe a place we see that had a great gulf to divide, separated the righteous from the unrighteous. TODAY now that the blood of Christ has ALSO cleansed heaven, NOW those who were in Paradise...the righteous side of Hades, are NOW in heaven as Hebrews 12 CLEARLY STATE. THE SPIRITS OF JUST MEN MADE PERFECT. Their PERFECTION CAME when Jesue rose from the dead. Jesus lead captivity captive and lead the way. What did you think that meant? He set the captives FREE.
---kathr4453 on 6/8/17


There is something called OUR POSITION IN CHRIST. IN CHRIST we are righteous, but that does not mean we are sinless. When we are in Heaven as NEW CREATURES WITH OUR NEW BODIES, then we will be sinless. Only Christ is sinless. Taking our sin and dying for our sin renders us forgiven. If we still have the capacity to sin, we are not sinless. Jesus COULD NOT SIN. There is no such teaching in scripture we are sinless. That would make us GOD OR EQUAL TO God.
That is a JW DOCTRINE. And the righteousness of Christ is IMPUTED, NOT IMPARTED. We still have a sin nature WE need to keep in submission to the cross. Once in heaven that won't be necessary.

You have a faulty understanding of what John was saying in 1 John.
---kathr4453 on 6/8/17


David. I suspect you say you're sinless because you think you obey the law perfectly.

But reality is that for Christians, we're sinless because we're not under the law for righteousness (Rom 3:19, Rom 8:2, Rom 10:4, Gal 5:18).
Christians cannot be charged with sin (Rom 8:33, 1John 3:9) because our life is hid with Christ in God (Col 3:3, gal 2:20), and in Christ there is no sin (1John 3:5).

Christians are righteous (Rom 4:5). Our faith is counted for righteousness.

Christians are holy (Rom 11:16) as we're in Christ, and it is he that is holy.

Christians are (spiritually) perfect (Heb 10:14). As for that flawed old physical man, it's already dead (Rom 6:6), by faith, because of sin (Rom 8:10).
---Haz27 on 6/8/17


BTW, are you righteous, holy, sinless, perfect?---Haz27

Sinless, yes
Righteous, maybe
Perfect, no
Holy, no
---David on 6/8/17


Anyone who believes that Jesus went to Paradise on Crucifixion Day places his confidence in the placement of a comma some 1500 years later.
---Jerry6593 on 6/8/17

Do you even know how to read dialog?

You are so ingenuous.

If we were discussing me calling you after I got home, our conversation might go something like this:

Jerry: "Please call me when you get home"

Mark: "I will call you the minute I get home"

Now, why do you insist in not reading Scripture in the same way?

Luke 23:42-43

Thief: "Please remember me when you come into your kingdom"

Jesus: "You will be with me in Paradise today"
---Mark_Eaton on 6/8/17


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David. Thank you for your honesty that you can't prove your argument.

BTW, are you righteous, holy, sinless, perfect?
---Haz27 on 6/8/17


When Paul saw paradise (2Cor 12:4) it clearly was not Hades as you suggest.---Haz

Haz
Hades was not the paradise Jesus referred to, it was death. I can't prove it, but for someone being crucified, I would think they would prefer death to life. Death is not as bad as folks think it is.

(Ecclesiastes 7:1) A good name is better than precious ointment, and the day of death better than the day of one's birth.
---David on 6/8/17


john9346:

Please explain how I am being logically inconsistent. I try to quote chapter and verse when possible and necessary, but many biblical quotations are sufficiently well known that they need not be explicitly referenced (and for those who NEED exact chapter and verse, a simple google or Biblegateway search will find them in seconds).

When you can only post 125 words per message, and aren't allowed multiple messages in a row, you must NECESSARILY be curt. Being elaborate is, indeed, difficult.
---StrongAxe on 6/8/17


john: You now admit that God wrote the Ten Commandments in stone, yet you still maintain that they are Moses' creation. Talk about cognitive dissonance!


Concerning Paradise: Is Paradise a part of hell? Try to follow this logic:

(1) God the Father's throne is in heaven.

(2) The river of life flows from His throne.

(3) The Tree of Life spans this very river.

(4) The tree of life is in PARADISE!

(5) Therefore, either Paradise is in Heaven or a real river flows from Heaven to hell - putting out the flames I suppose.

Anyone who believes that Jesus went to Paradise on Crucifixion Day places his confidence in the placement of a comma some 1500 years later.





---Jerry6593 on 6/8/17


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As there is a difference between what Jesus and God said with what David quoted Them as saying, so also there is a difference between my being "not under the Law" and
"not under Gods Laws."
Consider:
Rom 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law,
-So, despite David's assumption that you need the Law to sin, the Bible says otherwise.
And:
1Ti 1:9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient...
-Opposed to David's view that laws are for the obedient.

---micha9344 on 6/7/17




---john9346 on 6/7/17


David, You haven't really explained yourself.

Death and Hades are associated (1Cor 15:55, Rev 6:8, Rev 20:14), and they do not fit the description of paradise, as you suggest.

Instead the New Testament use of the term paradise is consistent with that of Jewish heritage.

When Paul saw paradise (2Cor 12:4) it clearly was not Hades as you suggest.

So are you righteous, holy, sinless and perfect?
---Haz27 on 6/7/17


David. Why think in man's limited physical terms (1Cor 2:14).--Haz

Haz
Mans terms? Who created the day, God or man?

If "today" is a physical 24 hour period in the context Jesus used it, then that would suggest you're saying that Hades is paradise (Acts 2:27).--Haz

If you look up the word "paradise", you will see it's defined as heaven in our dictionary, but it is not defined as such in the Greek dictionary. Now, who is limiting their self to mans terms?

If Jesus was ministering in hades, do you honestly think the thief got to heaven before his savior?

---David on 6/7/17


Jerry6593 ask, "john: Who do you think wrote the Ten Commandments in stone?"

God (The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit)

Sir, you cited Lk 16:31 where the Lord Jesus identify Moses with the law. Also, see, vs 29 as well as Lk 24:44-45.
---john9346 on 6/7/17


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Jerry6593:

You cited Matt 5:19, but sir, did you read vs 17-20??

"The antinomianism you teach is an affront to God."

Sir, recognizing "Scripturally." that there is a change in law identification resulting in change of commandments is not, "antinomianism."

Tell us sir, should a disobedient child be stoned? Should a sorcerer be put to death? if no then you are a antinomianist. Not to mention you are under God's Curse.... Deut 27:26 Gal 3:10-11.
---john9346 on 6/7/17


David ask, "Where did Jesus go when he died? Did he go to heaven? Wasn't he in the tomb for 3 days, and seen on Earth for many days after that, before he ascended into heaven?"

Sir, the Lord Jesus Christ the Second Person of the "Trinity." didn't cease being God the Physical Body of the Lord Jesus was in the tomb, but the Divine Nature of of Christ was in heaven thats why he made the Eternal Promise to the thief on the cross.
---john9346 on 6/7/17


strongaxe:

"You yourself quoted "Love your neighbor as yourself", but did not provide a scripture reference, assuming that anyone would recognize where that came from."

Actually, I was using in context your Favorite Quotation since you love to cite it. I cited it to you to show how yourdefense is Logically Inconsistency right now...

"Sadly, this site's constraints frequently make that difficult (see 2)."

Helping others seek the truth is never,"Dificult." only when anyone stop caring does it become so.
---john9346 on 6/7/17


haz27:

amen and amen...




The commandments Christians keep are seen in 1John 3:23, John 3:16, Jon 13:34. They are:
1:Believe on Jesus
2:Love one another (love does no harm to another)

We cannot mix grace and works (Rom 11:6).
Christians are married to Christ (Eph 5:31), one spirit with the Lord (1Cor 6:17), therefore you should not spiritually fornicate with another (Hagar,

We should not be like the foolish Galatians (Gal 3:1-3)
---john9346 on 6/7/17


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David. Why think in man's limited physical terms (1Cor 2:14).
Surely Jesus was not lying when he said to the criminal "TODAY you will be with me in paradise".

If "today" is a physical 24 hour period in the context Jesus used it, then that would suggest you're saying that Hades is paradise (Acts 2:27).

BTW, are you righteous, holy, sinless and perfect?
---Haz27 on 6/7/17


The criminal on the cross who called Jesus "Lord", overcame the world (1John 5:5), was cleansed of ALL sin and thus sinless---Haz27 on 6/6/17

Haz
Many people like to believe the thief on the cross went to heaven, but did he? Let's look at the facts.

Jesus said, "Today you will be with me in paradise", correct? Where did Jesus go when he died? Did he go to heaven? Wasn't he in the tomb for 3 days, and seen on Earth for many days after that, before he ascended into heaven?

So what ever Jesus referred to as paradise, it couldn't have been heaven, could it? Just think about this my friend, before you make the criminal your example of a Son of God.
---David on 6/7/17


john: Who do you think wrote the Ten Commandments in stone? Moses or God? If it wasn't Moses, then why do you call it Moses' Law?

Luk 16:31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

The antinomianism you teach is an affront to God.

Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven:



---Jerry6593 on 6/7/17


David. What commandments do Christians keep?
1John 3:23 this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment.

Christians obey God's will, which is to believe on Jesus (John 6:40).
Believing on Jesus is our works (John 6:28,29).

Christians fight the good fight of faith, and in this fight we keep this commandment (to believe on Jesus) without spot, blameless until our Lord Jesus Christ's appearing (1Tim 6:12-14).

The criminal on the cross who called Jesus "Lord", overcame the world (1John 5:5), was cleansed of ALL sin and thus sinless (1John 3:9), righteous (Rom 4:5), holy (Rom 11:16), perfect (Heb 10:14).
---Haz27 on 6/6/17


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david states, "True, but doesn't the Bible also say in (1 John 5: 2 & 3), those born of God will keep his commandments?"

David 1 Jn 5:1 is the commandments talked about in vs 2-3,

The commandments is simple,"see, vs 4-5 and 10."

Again, the question to you what law do you believe you are under the Law of Christ or the law of Moses?
---john9346 on 6/6/17


Joseph:

"Again, Where?? You've read something into my response that is not there."

Sir, do you understand the context?

"What does the definition of incarnation have to do with whether of not the word is used or implied in the verses I referenced?"

Because you stated that the Lord Jesus Christ was born and specifically in the "Scriptures." I brought to your attention yes the Lord Jesus Christ took on Humanity in the verses cited,however, he has always Existed Eternally.
---john9346 on 6/6/17


questions needing to be answered:

1. David can you tell us all what law do you believe you are under the law of Christ or the law of Moses??

2. If you believe the law of Moses,then what commandments do you keep or not keep and what gives you the right to pick and choose?

3. How do you reconcile Gal 3:10-11 and 3:23-25?

4. Under the Mosaic Law was it possible to sin not?? (question never answered on prior blog)
---john9346 on 6/6/17


Jerry6593 states, "When it is you who claim that you are not under this law."

Incorrect, the Lord Jesus Christ stated this in Matt 5:17-18, Gal 3:10-11, 3:23-25, Rom 6:14.

In your analogy the real question is why would my daddy have to pay the fine for me? Also, when my daddy pays is he the the law giver or not?

If you pay attention, there are others responding to me not just you ok??
---john9346 on 6/6/17


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The Bible defines born of God as one who believes on Jesus (1John 5:1)--Haz

Haz
True, but doesn't the Bible also say in (1 John 5: 2 & 3), those born of God will keep his commandments? Gods commandments are called Laws, right? How do you keep Gods commandments when you are not under Gods Law?
---David on 6/6/17


john: "Sir, "Fulfillment." isn't "Disobedient [sic]."

Agreed! Fulfillment is "satisfying the requirements of", "paying the price of" or "completing the terms of (as in a covenant or a prophecy)". It is NOT the "destruction of", "removal of" or "license to break" the Law.

The wages of sin is death. Jesus paid the price. You ran a stop sign. Your Daddy paid the fine. The law still stands!

Strange that you would quote:

Deu 27:26 Cursed be he that confirmeth not all the words of this law to do them.

When it is you who claim that you are not under this law.

Again, please limit your posts.



---Jerry6593 on 6/6/17


Now back on topic
---Jerry6593 on 6/5/17

Serious question, Jerry.. (really, no ulterior motive, Im just looking at your perspective)

You have said, multiple times in multiple blogs, about following the 10 Commandments. What Levitical laws do you follow, if any, and why?
---NurseRobert on 6/6/17


"Joseph: See below your own statements in defending that sin is a "Gene." that was the context in me replying to David when you replied to me:
Again, Where?? You've read something into my response that is not there.
"Sir, can you state for us all thedefinition of the "Incarnation."
What does the definition of incarnation have to do with whether of not the word is used or implied in the verses I referenced?
---Josef on 6/5/17


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Joseph:

"Where is the word incarnation used, or even implied, in any of those verses?"

Pick one of the verses and we will start discussion.

"Your reading into those verses something that is not there, certainly not stated."

Sir, can you state for us all thedefinition of the "Incarnation."
---john9346 on 6/5/17


Joseph:

See below your own statements in defending that sin is a "Gene." that was the context in me replying to David when you replied to me:


"Sin is not a "Gene.", but is nature according to "Scripture."
Where John? Chapter and verse.
---Josef on 6/3/17


John where does any of those verses mention, or even imply, a "sin nature"?
---Josef on 6/4/17



---john9346 on 6/5/17


"Sir, if you read very carefully I explained that the "Scriptures."you cite are referencing the incarnation when the Lord Jesus Christ took on Human Nature."
Where is the word incarnation used, or even implied, in any of those verses?
"I also explained that the Lord Jesus Christ the Second Person of the Trinity is God who Eternally Existed again, Phil 2:5-8, Jn 1:1-3, 14, and Jn 17:5..."
Your reading into those verses something that is not there, certainly not stated.
"Then why are you defending it??"
Where?? You've read something into my response that is not there.
Talking about false witnessing:oD))
---Josef on 6/5/17


David. The Bible defines born of God as one who believes on Jesus (1John 5:1). Thus they cannot sin (1John 3:9) as they abide in Christ (Gal 2:20, Col 3:3), covered by Christ's sinlessness, as in Christ there is NO SIN (1John 3:5). To say we can sin is to say that there's sin in Christ.

We cannot be charged with the sin of transgression of the law (1John 3:4), because we're not under the law (Rom 3:19, Rom 8:2, Rom 10:4, Gal 5:18) for our righteousness to be judged.

Either our righteousness is by faith (Rom 4:5), OR it's by works of the law.
Christians cannot be charged with sin (Rom 8:33, 1John 3:9) because our righteousness is by faith.

Jesus was under the law, and he knew no sin (2Cor 5:21, 1John 3:5).

---Haz27 on 6/5/17


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Joseph states,"You said "The Lord Jesus Christ was never, "Born", my point was to show that you were mistaken, with scripture. Here's another, Mat 1:18."

Sir, if you read very carefully I explained that the "Scriptures."you cite are referencing the incarnation when the Lord Jesus Christ took on Human Nature.

I also explained that the Lord Jesus Christ the Second Person of the Trinity is God who Eternally Existed again, Phil 2:5-8, Jn 1:1-3, 14, and Jn 17:5...

"Why? I never said "that sin is a Gene"."

Then why are you defending it??
---john9346 on 6/5/17


1. In defining terms, Under the Law means striving to keep the law of Moses in order to earn salvation to which none of the NT Authors never taught.

2. When the NT Authors state, under grace they mean that Christians can onle be saved by "Grace Alone." and not by keeping the Mosaic Law.

3. The NT Writers were explicitly clear in making distinction regarding, "Mosaic Law." and "Law of Christ."

4. The NT Writers explained the purpose of the Mosaic Law see Gal 3:23-25, 1 Jn 3:4-9, Rom 3:20-28.
---john9346 on 6/5/17


When the Lord Jesus Christ in Jn 14:15-23 states, "His Commandments." he makes the distinction of his commandments not being, "The Mosaic Law." see Lk 24:44-45, 16:29-31.

If one reads Jn 14:15-23 the Lord Jesus in Previous Verses gives you his "Commandments." and in ch 15 he continues giving you note, "His Commandments." he makes the separation between "His Commandments." and "Mosaic Law."

In 1 Jn 5:2-3, John the apostle explain what is the commandments he is talking about andthese commandments aren't found in the "Mosaic Law."
---john9346 on 6/5/17


Jerry6593 ask, "Now back on topic, I challenge you to show from Scripture where Jesus commanded disobedience to His Ten Commandment Law?"

Sir, "Fulfillment." isn't "Disobedient."

Also, just want to make you aware that your much Personal Attacks and Verbal Absuive Words towards others on these blog is violation of the "Law." you claim that you are keeping.

Lev 19:17-18

Please keep in mind Deut 27:26 sir??
---john9346 on 6/5/17


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"And your point sir?"
You said "The Lord Jesus Christ was never, "Born", my point was to show that you were mistaken, with scripture. Here's another, Mat 1:18
"Pick one and we can begin the discussion? What would be the point?
"You and David must establish from, "Scripture." that sin is a "Gene."
Why? I never said "that sin is a Gene".
---Josef on 6/5/17


We're either saints OR sinners. You CANNOT be both. --Haz

Haz
I agree.
But the Bible defined a Son of God as one who doesn't sin (1 John 3:9) and a sinner as someone who does sin.

You and John appear to be saying you are Sons of God, but it's not because you don't sin, it's because you are not under the Law.
Am I understanding you correctly?

If I am, do you believe the same thing about Jesus Christ?
Do you believe the Bible say he was without sin because he was not under the Law, or was it because he never transgressed the Law?

Apples to Apples?
---David on 6/5/17


John9346 just remember the following and please never forget it sir:

"Those who do not have good arguments or verses for their views often resort to circumlocution, obfuscation and a continual regurgitation of nonsense."

Pro 10:19 In the multitude of words there wanteth not sin: but he that refraineth his lips is wise.

Now back on topic, I challenge you to show from Scripture where Jesus commanded disobedience to His Ten Commandment Law?



---Jerry6593 on 6/5/17


We're either saints OR sinners. You CANNOT be both.

Our old physical man is already dead (Rom 6:6), by faith, because of sin (Rom 8:10).
Christians are born of God (1John 5:1), a new creation (2Cor 5:17). We abide in Christ (Gal 2:20, Col 3:3), and in him there's no sin (1John 3:5). To say Christian's sin is to say there's sin in Christ.

Only PAST sin was remitted (Rom 3:25). That means once in Christ we cannot be charged with sin (Rom 8:33, 1John 3:9) as in him there is no sin.

Should Christians do wrong it's not sin (with its death penalty) that can be charged against us. Instead God disciplines us (Heb 12).

Christians are holy (Rom 11:16), righteous (Rom 4:5), perfect (Heb 10:14), sinless (1John 3:9).
---Haz27 on 6/4/17


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Joseph states, "According to whom? Born means born in any language,"

And your point sir?

In the Incarnation the Lord Jesus Christ the Second Person of the Trinity took on Human Flesh to himself. Did you read Jn 1:1-3, 14, and Phil 2:5-8, and Jn 17:5?
---john9346 on 6/4/17


Joseph ask, "John where does any of those verses mention, or even imply, a "sin nature"?"

Pick one and we can begin the discussion?

You and David must establish from, "Scripture." that sin is a "Gene."
---john9346 on 6/4/17


david said, "I keep Gods commandments, those he has put into my mind and writes on my heart."

Sir, tell us, which commandments are those?

David said, "I know murder is wrong because I am under Gods Law."

Sir, which law do you believe you are under, "The Law of Moses." or, "The Law of Christ?"

"You are not under the Law, and without the Law there can be no transgression/Sin."

Sir, Did you continue read 1 Jn 3:4-9??
---john9346 on 6/4/17


Jerry6593 just remember the following and please never forget it sir:

"Those who do not have good arguments or verses for their views. Often resort to juvenile remarks, snide comments and personal attacks."

Now back on topic I challenge you to show from "Scripture." where theTenC are separate from the Mosaic Law??
---john9346 on 6/4/17


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"3. Lk 2:11, Isa 9:6, and Gal 4:4 are "Direct Statements." pertaining to the "Incarnation." of the Lord Jesus Christ."---john9346 on 6/3/17"
According to whom? Born means born in any language, and pertains or refers to a woman, or female of any species, giving birth, or bringing forth an offspring. Jesus was formed and born like any other man, only the way He was conceived was unique.
---Josef on 6/4/17


"Joseph ask, "Where John? Chapter and verse." 1 Jn 3:1-9, Jer 17:9, and Rom 7:23-25.
John where does any of those verses mention, or even imply, a "sin nature"?
---Josef on 6/4/17


john: Once again you waste much blog space making assertions without Biblical corroboration. You quote scriptures thinking that you have proved your point, when the connection to them is not at all apparent. Please construct logical responses that actually make sense before posting. And please limit your posts to one per day per blog topic, as you waste the space that others could use.


"I stand amazed at how the "Scriptures." are not enough for those who claim to believe in, 'Sola Scriptura.'"

Yet you don't believe Exo 20. Amazing!


---Jerry6593 on 6/4/17


Could you be more specific as to what you are asking according to "Scripture?"---john9346

John
I keep Gods commandments, those he has put into my mind and writes on my heart. I know murder is wrong because I am under Gods Law. God has written this Law on my heart, therefore I know If I break this Law it would be a sin.

You are not under the Law, and without the Law there can be no transgression/Sin. And I'm wondering what they call these acts, defined by God as sin, in your Church. As far as scripture, the word Sin is mentioned throughout the New Testament.
---David on 6/4/17


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david:

1. Matt 2:2 is speaking of the "Incarnation."

2. "It's Unfortunate Matthew, and those who have translated the Bible into English, didn't have access to your Greek dictionary."

Sir, with the utmost respect to you, are you aware that Matthew The Apostle wrote his epistle in Greek?

3. Lk 2:11, Isa 9:6, and Gal 4:4 are "Direct Statements." pertaining to the "Incarnation." of the Lord Jesus Christ.
---john9346 on 6/3/17


The incarnation is that event where the second person of the Trinity the Lord Jesus Christ became flesh adding Humanity with his divinity... See Jn 1:14, Phil 2:5-8, and Col 2:9. In the "Incarnation."
---john9346 on 6/3/17


Joseph ask, "Where John? Chapter and verse."

1 Jn 3:1-9, Jer 17:9, and Rom 7:23-25.

david ask, "John
If you took a gun and killed someone, would it be a sin?"

Could you be more specific as to what you are asking according to "Scripture?"
---john9346 on 6/3/17


The Lord Jesus Christ was never, "Born." that is why the Holy Spirit had John to use, "Begotten." meaning "Uncreated." in Greek see Jn 1:18...--John9346

(Matthew 2) 1 Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem, 2 Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews?

John
It's Unfortunate Matthew, and those who have translated the Bible into English, didn't have access to your Greek dictionary.
---David on 6/3/17


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"The Lord Jesus Christ was never, "Born."
John what do you do with these verses?
"When the fullness of the time had come, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman,..Gal 4:4
"Unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given:" Isa 9:6
"For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord." Luke 2:11
"Sin is not a "Gene.", but is nature according to "Scripture."
Where John? Chapter and verse.
---Josef on 6/3/17


Notice how the Blog Question all ready starts by quoting half of a verse, but here is the entire verse, "4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law."
---john9346


John
If you took a gun and killed someone, would it be a sin?
---David on 6/3/17


David states, "Jesus did not sin, simply because he was born of God."

The Lord Jesus Christ was never, "Born." that is why the Holy Spirit had John to use, "Begotten." meaning "Uncreated." in Greek see Jn 1:18...

Sin is not a "Gene.", but is nature according to "Scripture."

Words and terminology matter wehn truth is, "At State."
---john9346 on 6/3/17


It is very, "Disingenuous." of David to continue asking questions such as this, but when he is engaged he is unable to do so in, "Meaningful Dialog." according to "Scripture."

As I am sure just as Previous Postings when the Fundamental Questions are really asked According to, "Scripture.", "The Emotional Arguments." will start... Not to mention David's "Grotesque." Handling of "Scripture."

Notice how the Blog Question all ready starts by quoting half of a verse, but here is the entire verse, "4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law."
---john9346 on 6/2/17


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In addition to 1 Jn 3:4,

John The Apostle inspired by the Holy Spirit actually explains himself in subsequent verses in the same ch vs 5-9.

David for some reason chooses to ignore what John The Apostle goes on to explain in reference to vs 4.

I stand amazed at how the "Scriptures." are not enough for those who claim to believe in, "Sola Scriptura."
---john9346 on 6/2/17


Romans 6:7- For he that is dead is freed from sin,---RichardC

Richard
Paul is not talking about every believer in (Romans), he's referring to those who have become the Sons of God, those who can not sin, as so described in (1 John 3:9-10).

Jesus did not sin, simply because he was born of God. To put into simple modern terminology, Jesus was born without the "Sin Gene", a "Gene" the rest of us were born with.

This is why we must be born again. When we are born again, we are born without the sin "Gene". And this is why the Sons of God, can not sin. But if you exhibit the symptoms of having this "Gene", by sinning, doesn't this prove you have not been born of God?
---David on 6/3/17


Great question david!

It never ceases to amaze me how supposed Bible-believing Christians can claim immunity from Law instituted by God Himself, and insist that the Law can't be kept, when the Bible from Genesis to Revelation condemns sin and pronounces a death penalty for its transgression. It is as if they think God doesn't keep His word, but just says "oh, never mind" about the Law.



---Jerry6593 on 6/3/17


I believe, David, no one here has pronounced themselves "not under God's Law."
But the Bible clearly states "we are not under the Law."
This seems to be a typical bait-and-switch tactic often used without clearly identifying terms.
You have alluded to it in your previous post - the Law of Moses, which was God's Law to a specific people group, and the Law of Christ, otherwise known as the Law of Liberty, which is God's eternal Law for His children.
It seems to me that you are causing conflict where none exists, where you're encouraging everyone to comment about "the Law" without establishing context and terms.
I think the 3 or 4 blog soapbox can be concluded.
---micha9344 on 6/3/17


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Exactly Samuel
This is a topic that needs to be addressed,... and understood,.. by those who believe they are not under Gods Law.

How can they possibly address the fact God said, "I will put my Law into their minds and write them on their hearts"? If we were not under his Law, why would God say such a thing? Obviously he is not speaking of the Law of Moses which was written in stone. He is talking about the Law of Christ, that Law he addresses in (John 14:21).

The only conclusion I can come with, for those who believe they are not under Gods Law, was that God didn't read Paul's Epistles before he said this.
---David on 6/2/17


Romans 3:31 - Do we then make void the Law through faith, God Forbid: yea, we establish the law,

Romans 3:20 - Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified, in his sight, for the law is the knowledge of sin,

Romans 6:6 - Knowing this, that are old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, hence forth we should not serve sin,

Romans 6:7- For he that is dead is freed from sin,

Romans 6:14 - for sin shall not have dominion over you: for you are not under the Law, but under Grace
---RichardC on 6/2/17


Good question. If there is no law since it is gone. Then it cannot lead sinners to repent. There in effect would be no such thing as sin.

The law puts into code would a person who loves others should do. When we love we obey the law.

Agap
---Samuelbb7 on 6/2/17


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