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So much arguing and bickering on here. Is this what it looks like to be a Christian? Is this a picture of the Gospel?

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NURSE. And yet again you deflect to justify your loyalty to your evil Leftist puppet masters.
Sugar coating the Left's record of dehumanizing babies, and it's deceitful claim that's it's simply about the woman's CHOICE, only confirms your consent.

The Left's destructive agenda of welfare dependency for blacks over the decades, is an example of how it lowers education, encourages marriage and family breakdown, and increases abortions, etc.

The Left's drive for same gender marriage, LGBT agenda, deviancy indoctrination of school children, its divisive identity politics, etc, are further examples of the deliberate destructiveness of the Left.

NICOLE. We have Leftists even dominating our supposed conservative government.
---Haz27 on 6/26/17


Haz27:

It's fine to be a cultural follower or babe in Christ. However, people in those categories should be treated honestly as such, and not as prophets or great spiritual leaders.

Pro-choice does NOT mean pro-abortion. I keep pointing out that "baby slaughter" abortion is actually LOWER in blue states with pro-choice sensibilities than in red ones with pro-life sensibilities, yet you totally ignore that because it doesn't fit your narrative. The same is also true for infant mortality, which is 3% higher during Republican presidents than Democratic ones.
---StrongAxe on 6/26/17


"You made an impossible statement claiming he has done nothing."

He has consistently refused to answer the question. His silence gives him away.

"Maybe his Country is ran by the Leftist Nazis that monitor his Internet?"

LOL yeah, right..


the crazy Lefties passed a bill ..."

The Canadian Senate passed a bill, the house has not. Not a law.

"Try it again. It doesn't pop up as you claim."

I know you have problems looking things up. It's there. Spend a little time researching.
---NurseRobert on 6/26/17


//since Haz is not from this country, he couldn't vote for Trump.//

The point is that he can vote in her own Country.

You made an impossible statement claiming he has done nothing.

Maybe his Country is ran by the Leftist Nazis that monitor his Internet?

The crazy Lefties passed a bill making a crime for calling someone by the wrong gender. Idiots.

Watch: someone will get off from a serious crime due a gender technicality.

//I did quote the source of Trumps quote. Google Christian Post trump wine and cracker. Look on the list for Donald Trump: 'I'm Not Sure If I Ever Asked God's ... - The Christian Post.--NurseRobert

Try it again. It doesn't pop up as you claim.
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/26/17


Haz - Your record is stuck.

Trump: Pre 2015 - Pro choice, 2015 pro-life, :ith certain exceptions. March 2016 - women who have abortions should face some sort of legal punishment. He changed his mind because it was politically expedient. How do you not see that?

Abortion is abhorrent, but sometimes is necessary. It should be legal and safe, but used a whole lot less. Instead of just sitting around praying (which is not a bad thing!), get up and fight for proper education and birth control - both of which are proven to decrease the need for abortions.


If you could vote here, you would cuts to medical care and food programs for the poor and increase money for the military and the rich.
---NurseRobert on 6/26/17




NURSE. Trump was formerly pro abortion, but later changed his mind after seeing a friend who decided not to go through with an abortion.
There's nothing wrong with changing ones position after realizing the error of former beliefs.
I'd like to think that at least sometimes you too changed your mind after realizing your error.

And yet again you deflect from the important issues just to defend your beloved Leftist puppet masters.

And again I'll say that as an individual most of us can only just pray and vote against powerful Leftists like the DEMs who always push for easier abortions, etc.

But sadly, voters like you actually vote for these baby slaughtering Leftists, thus proving your consent.

---Haz27 on 6/25/17


---Nicole_Lacey on 6/25/17

Well, since Haz is not from this country, he couldn't vote for Trump. I have asked this question of Haz multiple times and he has dodged it each time.

Which view on abortion?? Trumps position changes when it suits his purpose and which way the political wind is blowing.

And I did quote the source of Trumps quote. Google Christian Post trump wine and cracker. Look on the list for Donald Trump: 'I'm Not Sure If I Ever Asked God's ... - The Christian Post.
---NurseRobert on 6/25/17


Haz, what have you done to stop the need for abortions??

Let me answer it for you..
NOT ONE THING....--NurseRoberton 6/25/17

WRONG!

Trump was elected by many solely due to his views on abortion with a promise of appointing an Conservative Supreme court Justice.

Planned Parenthood even admitted that Gorsuch's appointment was a HUGH BLOW to women's rights to abortion.

If Justice Kennedy steps down I pray Trump appoints Pryor from Alabama next!

Besides, how do know what Haz does to fight abortion?

Praying is NOTHING to you?

BTW, cite that so called quote of Trump. He didn't say that in StrongAxe's cited source.
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/25/17


AXE. Like I said, conservatives like the REPs are the lessor evil.

Many politicians label themselves Christian but often are just cultural followers or babes in Christ.

Whatever the case we as Christians are left with poor political choices. I suggest the scrutiny Christians apply should be on far more important issues like baby slaughter, the anti Christian and marriage and family agenda of LGBT and deviancy indoctrination of children, etc, instead of scrutinizing the supposed "Christian" credentials of political leaders.

NURSE. Like I said before, the issue is not about an individual voter. Instead it's about what a powerful political power STANDS FOR. And the Left clearly stand for baby slaughter.
---Haz27 on 6/25/17


Haz, what have you done to stop the need for abortions?? Ive ask this question of you a number of times and each time you deflect.

Let me answer it for you..
NOT ONE THING....
---NurseRobert on 6/25/17




Haz27:

The reason Trump's knowledge of Christianity or practice bears closer scrutiny is this. He has actively courted the Evangelical Right by claiming to be one of them. Many American evangelical leaders have called Trump "God's chosen". Such claims on both sides are subject to scrutiny.

This is also why the sexual mores of Repubican politicians are more worthy of scrutiny than those of Democrats - because Republicans actively claim to be pro-family, and pro-morality. An adulterous pot-smoking pro-pot pro-free-love Democrat is a reprobate. An adulterous pot-smoking pro-family anti-drug Republican is a reprobate AND ALSO a hypocrite. Jesus was very forgiving of sins of the flesh, but loudly condemned hypocrisy.
---StrongAxe on 6/25/17


NURSE. Of course you revil in any debate about frivolous issues on what Trump may have said on his Christian views, thus proving his ignorance on Christianity. But considering your own ignorance of Christianity, and that of your Leftist leaders BO, and the occultist Hillary, you truly are coming across as a opportunistic hypocrite.

Face it Nurse, such minor issues about Trump suits your desperate need for anything that can deflect attention away from the real important issues of the baby slaughter, deviancy indoctrination of children, LGBT agenda, divisive identity politics, hate, bigotry, greed, poverty through welfare dependence, etc, of your beloved Leftist puppet masters.
---Haz27 on 6/24/17


ou left out the words "..I try not to make mistakes."
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/24/17

You also left out the part where he said: "I think if I do something wrong, I think, I just try and make it right. I dont bring God into that picture. I dont.

Why would he not want God in that picture?
---NurseRobert on 6/24/17


//Trump said:Why do I have to repent or ask for forgiveness, if I am not making mistakes?" 1 John 1:8
Who would you rather believe? Trump, or the Apostle John? I personally would rather trust John.---StrongAxeon 6/23/17

I don't have to answer a straw man's question because only one of your quotes is actually true.

You quoted John correctly, but not Trump.

Trump SAID drinking the wine and eating the cracker FORGIVES his sins.

You left out the words "..I try not to make mistakes."

Read NurseRoberts' blog. He quoted him using the word 'try'.
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/24/17


---Nicole_Lacey on 6/23/17

It's hard to take Trump's statements out of context if you never read what he said.

If you had actually looked at the story in the Christian Post (Christian Post, 7/23/15, which is described as a nondenominational, Evangelical Christian newspaper) you would have seen there is no video, but a story about his interviews. The Christian Post said "Trump claims to be a Christian, yet says he has never asked for forgiveness."

Trump is no friend to the Christian, regardless of what he claims.
---NurseRobert on 6/24/17


Nicole_Lacey:

Trump said: Why do I have to repent or ask for forgiveness, if I am not making mistakes?"

1 John 1:8: If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.

Who would you rather believe? Trump, or the Apostle John? I personally would rather trust John.
---StrongAxe on 6/23/17


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//I was referring to something he said on a different occasion. Google: Trump forgiveness---StrongAxe

I did Google exactly as you said and watched the video. He said drinking the wine and eating the cracker forgave his sin.

//His reponse: I try not make mistakes where I have to ask forgivness.---NurseRobert

Doesn't EVERYONE???

Note he didn't say I don't make mistakes. He said "I TRY not to make mistakes."

As I said before, you are taking Trump out of context.

I guess you don't need to try not to sin, but the REST OF US know we are NOT perfect.

After watching one video, I am not going to watch Cooper just to prove you are wrong. You intend to misunderstand Trump no matter what.
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/23/17


---Nicole_Lacey on 6/22/17

In a follow up interview with Anderson Cooper Trump was ask if "asking for forgiveness" is a central tenet in his faith life.

His reponse: I try not make mistakes where I have to ask forgivness. When further asked about repentance again by Cooper, Trump said "I think repenting is terrific. Why do I have to repent or ask for forgiveness, if I am not making mistakes?" asked Trump. "I work hard, I'm an honorable person."
In talking about his Iowa appearance, Trump said, "We were having fun when I said I drink the wine, I eat the cracker, the whole room was laughing." Christian Post, 7/23/15.

Maybe you find communion funny.
---NurseRobert on 6/22/17


Nicole_Lacey:

You wrote: 1. Trump DID NOT say he didn't do anything wrong. Watch the video again.

I was referring to something he said on a different occasion. Google: Trump forgiveness

2. Your options of his character off a statement he DID NOT say isn't very nice of you.

I agree, if I did that. But I didn't. It's based strictly on what he did say (see above).
---StrongAxe on 6/22/17


wow,somehow i dont think this is what Jesus had in mind.this thing has gotten WAY OFF topic from my original question,i believe i have my answer.
---brian on 6/22/17


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You and Nurse Robert took Trump out of context.

---Nicole_Lacey on 6/21/17

Out of context?? Trump was at the Ames Leadership Conference on July 18, 2015. Moderator Frank Luntz asked Trump if he "had ever sought God's forgiveness" Trump's response, "I'm not sure I have ever asked God's forgiveness. I don't bring God into that picture."

Trump clarified further about forgiveness in the church setting saying, "When I go to church and when I drink my little wine and have my little cracker, I guess that is a form of forgiveness. I do that as often as I can because I feel cleansed. I say let's go on and let's make it right,"

Feel free to look it up. It from the Christian Post, 7/20/15
---NurseRobert on 6/22/17


//Yet Trump boasts that he never did anything he needed to ask forgiveness for. This means Trump either a narcissistic non-Christian, or someone so holy he's on par with Jesus himself. Many of his followers believe the latter. I find the former more plausible.---StrongAxe on 6/21/17

Noooooo!

1. Trump DID NOT say he didn't do anything wrong. Watch the video again.

He said drinking the wine and cracker forgives his sins.

He might be wrong, but he ISN'T saying he didn't sin.

To say it forgives means he KNOWS he sinned to be forgiven. Remember that's the excuse you all use against the Virgin Mary.

2. Your options of his character off a statement he DID NOT say isn't very nice of you.

Matthew 7:1
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/22/17


john9346:

Only if they skimmed it quickly without actually paying attention. Note the capitalized "Christian" just before "scripture"? One doesn't normally repeat words closely in a sentence without a good reason to do so.

It's obvious they had SOME scripture - otherwise Paul's statement about scripture being profitable would have been meaningless. One must conclude the scripture they had wasn't CHRISTIAN but some other kind (i.e. Jewish).

Nevertheless, now that you know what I meant, could we please move on? We've already wasted enough of this blog choking on gnats.

None of the verses you quoted says Jesus is God. Polycarp etc. were NOT in the NEW TESTAMENT. Read what I ACTUALLY WROTE.
---StrongAxe on 6/21/17


strongaxe:

Someone reading your OriginalStatement is to conclude that their were no, "Scriptures." for Christians.

Listen to your statement sir:

"The early Christians didn't have Christian scripture, because that didn't exist yet -"

Sir, you do not state what they had leading readers to believe they had nothing of, "Scripture." which is emphatically false...

Thank you for clarifying your statements later, but only when I reminded you of your Past Statements. I raised your Past Statements because your Original Statement here contradicts your Past Statements.

Logic is always consistent...
---john9346 on 6/21/17


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strongaxe states, "I was speaking specifically of Christians in Acts and in the NT period."

1. The Christians in Acts did possess a "Coherent trinitarian theology." have you not read Acts 1:4-9, 2:16-21, 32-33, and 4:23-31?

2. Sir, again, Polycarp, Justin Martyr, Ignatius, Irenaeus, Turtullian etc. witness against you inyou stating that they didn't have a "Coherent Trinitarian Theology."
---john9346 on 6/21/17


"O Lord God Almighty, the Father of your beloved and blessed Son Jesus Christ, by whom we have received the knowledge of You, the God of angels and powers, and of every creature, and of the whole race of the righteous who live before you, I give You thanks that You have counted me, worthy of this day and this hour, that I should have a part in the number of Your martyrs, in the cup of your Christ, to the resurrection of eternal life, both of soul and body, through the incorruption [imparted] by the Holy Ghost.
---john9346 on 6/21/17


Nicole_Lacey:

I just quoted one thing he said, but he has said many others that corroborate this view. The core, fundamental belief of Christians is that Jesus died to save us from our sins. This would not have been necessary if we didn't do anything wrong. Yet Trump boasts that he never did anything he needed to ask forgiveness for. This means Trump either a narcissistic non-Christian, or someone so holy he's on par with Jesus himself. Many of his followers believe the latter. I find the former more plausible.
---StrongAxe on 6/21/17


"But love without a foundation isn't love, but Make-Believe." john9346 on 6/18/17

Re:foundation: Founded upon Jesus Christ, gospel, the true picture and manifestation of love

1 Cor 3:11 "For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ."

"Nevertheless the foundation of God stands sure" 2 pet 2:19

Concerning bickering:

"For there must be also heresies (factions, sects, divisions) among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you." 1 Cor 11:19
parenthesis...words used in various versions
---chria9396 on 6/21/17


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StrongAxe, as a Former Catholic I guess don't understanding or forgot about all forms of forgiveness as well.

In the Catholic and Orthodox Faith: drinking the Body and Blood does FORGIVES Venial sins.

Not in the Protestant Churches but because they don't have a Valid Priesthood. But Trump most likely BELIEVES his Church faith is just as good as the Catholic Church.

You and Nurse Robert took Trump out of context.

He was asked a question and he said drinking the little wine (because Protestants uses tiny vessels and crackers because that is exactly what it is in their church.) We don't use crackers so he wasn't making fun of the Catholic Church as most Protestants.
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/21/17


AXE. Repeating my comments, with your political distortion, only proves you dishonestly deal with facts.
Your refusal to let the truth red pill you only proves that Left's brainwashing is strong in you.

The Left's corrupt swamp must be drained. I don't know all of Trump's efforts at draining the swamp, but seems to me he's not doing it fast enough.

I hear the DEMs being referred to as the biggest hate group in USA. And the growing violence, abuse, persecution I see in USA is clearly from the Left.
We see the same in Aust. The Left is the biggest hate group here, just as the Left's predecessors Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot, etc, were.

History seems to be repeating itself, but you're on the wrong side.
---Haz27 on 6/21/17


Matthew 10:34 - Think not that I am come to send peace on earth : I came not to send peace but a sword,

Ephesians 6:17 - And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the spirit , which is the Word of God,

2 Timothy 3:16 - All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for correction , for instruction in righteousness,

{ correction }
---RichardC on 6/20/17


Haz27:

You're obviously addicted to the Right's Fake News, hence your stance in protecting your team in spite of its blatant evils.

You choose to ignore such facts because the cognitive dissonance you'd suffer would be too uncomfortable for you. (Sound familiar?)

Trump isn't just criticizing people, he's actively threatening them with lawsuits, with changing the law to make it easy to punish the media who dare to tell the truth.

Other politicians don't THREATEN their detractors. At least not in western democracies. They do in fascist countries and banana republics, but we aren't that (at least not yet).
---StrongAxe on 6/20/17


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NURSE. You're obviously addicted to the Left's Fake News hence your stance in protecting your team it spite of its blatant evils.

And of course Trump is criticizing people. The corrupt Left are so rabid about his presidency that they're attacking him every way possible, lying, and even publicly suggesting to mindless Lefty followers to assassinate him, and resorting to violence against Trump supporters.

You choose to ignore such facts because the cognitive dissonance you'd suffer would be too uncomfortable for you.


AXE. As virtually all political leaders fit the description you gave of Trump, it seems quite selective of you to just target Trump. What of Hillary's occultism?


---Haz27 on 6/20/17


Haz, Why am I not surprised with YOUR dishonesty. Winger zealots like you will of course deny or deflect any inconvenient facts.

Obvious??? Only in your mind. There are story after story of Trump supports attacking people after he won. Of course, you will deny this happened. You right wing puppet masters have you convinced the right wing does nothing wrong.
---NurseRobert on 6/20/17


NURSE. Why am I not surprised with your dishonesty. Lefty zealots like you will of course deny or deflect any inconvenient facts.

The few conservatives in Hollywood who do have the courage to speak out about the Left's dominance have suffered discrimination.
See Ben Shapiro's book "Primetime Propaganda" reveals how he spoke with scores of major Hollywood names, who admitted on tape that discrimination takes place in Hollywood, they use their programming to manipulate Americans politically, they scorn conservatives, and they twist the television market to achieve their own political goals.

As for violence, hate, etc it's obvious it almost always comes from the Left. You can't hide that one either, Nurse.
---Haz27 on 6/20/17


Nicole_Lacey:

Google: Trump cracker wine to find plenty of examples of that quote, including video clips of him saying it.

When asked if he has ever asked God for forgiveness, he said: "I am not sure I have. I just go on and try to do a better job from there. I don't think so" and "I think if I do something wrong, I think, I just try and make it right. I don't bring God into that picture. I don't."

Since forgiveness for our sins is the very central message of the Gospel, it means Trump really has no clue what the gospel is REALLY about. In religion as well as politics, he thinks he alone can fix everything all by himself without any outside help from anyone else. Jesus isn't Trump's God. Trump is.
---StrongAxe on 6/20/17


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john9346:

You wrote: Simple, here you state that the Early Christians didn't have "Scripture."

No, I didn't say that. Read what I ACTUALLY wrote. I said, "The early Christians didn't have CHRISTIAN scripture, because that didn't exist yet" - which it didn't. They only had JEWISH scripture at that time. My statements have been consistent. You have just been misreading them, and drawing wrong conclusions from them.

Sir, this is Patently False Polycarp, Justin Martyr, Ignatius, Irenaeus, Turtullian etc. witness against you...

I was speaking specifically of Christians in Acts and in the NT period.
---StrongAxe on 6/20/17


---Nicole_Lacey on 6/19/17

I am not going to do your work for you. There are videos of him saying this. Try leaning how to Google and look it up yourself. Maybe a 5th grader could help you. Did you ever learn what a PDF is?

Your right, I'm too old to put up with your false righteous indignation.
---NurseRobert on 6/20/17


The point Trump made was from him saying those words on TV.

Also if the Washington Post was indeed lying. Then they could be sued. Trump loves to sue people. Which is why one the promises he made on the campaign trail. Which I watched on TV. Was that he would make it easier to sue the Free Press.

I am not here to discuss Trump. We need to be looking to our true Savior. Jesus Christ.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/20/17


Haz27 on 6/19/17

Haz, again obfuscation from the right. I alway have to laugh when the right moans about "hollywood" but goes into fits of pleasure when right wing "hollywood" types (yes, I'm thinking about Ted Nugent, Gene Simmons and multiple others) get up to speak their piece.

You ignore the right wing violence and hate, instead only focusing on the left.

Norm for the left. My I do love listening to your hyperbole. You moan about the left but completely ignore the right starting with Trump.
You can't sit there an honestly believe that right wing hatred has not increased since Trump was elected.
---NurseRobert on 6/20/17


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//Trump's proclamations:

3. When I go to church and when I drink my little wine and have my little cracker, I guess that is a form of forgiveness. I do that as often as I can because I feel cleansed.

Just what is Trump proclaiming?---NurseRoberton 6/19/17

Friend, why don't you answer your own question since you made up those proclamation?

You are too old for this and know better.

Cite those so call proclamations of Trump.

You had very were lengthy statements.
Copy and Paste your sources.

Or they are just as fake as the Washington Posts' Sources?
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/19/17


strongaxe ask, "How is what I am saying now contradicting any of those?"

Simple, here you state that the Early Christians didn't have "Scripture."

The statements on other blog you stated that they only had the OT Scriptures.

Sir, tell the readers which is it did they have them or did they not have them?

Remember sir, logic is "Consistent."
---john9346 on 6/19/17


Dear Nurse Robert and Strong Ax
Good points. Thank you.

In the book of Acts Christians discussed what the law meant. What about Gentiles. So yes Christians still argue. But the Spirit of the Christian is to love and listen.

To think what would Jesus do and say.

GOD loves you.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/19/17


john9346:

You wrote: See below statements that you now are contradicting:

How is what I am saying now contradicting any of those? I have always maintained, and the three examples you just quoted demonstrate this, that "the scriptures" during Apostolic times were the OT Jewish scriptures alone - what we now call the Christian New Testament either did not exist yet, or was only just being written a bit at a time, and was not yet considered "scripture" until much later. For example, the gospels weren't written until long after Paul's letters.
---StrongAxe on 6/19/17


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AXE & NURSE. Yet again deflection from Lefties.

You conveniently ignore Left's dominance in media, universities, Hollywood, institutions, etc. You ignore the tirade of dehumanizing PC abuse from bullying Left over decades. You ignore lies & crimes of DEMs, Hillary, BO. You ignore the hateful Left's increasing vitriol, threats of assassination, violence since Trump's election.

And just like Muslims, you instead point finger away from your cherished & hatefully violent side.

The fact remains that hate, deceit, persecution, violence/murder are norms for totalitarian Left (e.g Stalin, Hitler, Mao, DEM/KKK, etc) & is now clearly escalating since Trump challenged Left's PC tyranny.




---Haz27 on 6/19/17


strongaxe:

See below statements that you now are contradicting:

"No. Paul didn't establish scripture - it was already established long before he wrote that word - and, at the time he wrote it, scripture consisted ONLY of the Old Testament, as the New Testament hadn't even been written yet."
9/22/16

"Yes. And at the time he was writing those words, scripture was the Old Testament only, because the New Testament did not yet exist."
9/22/16

"Timothy relied on Paul's letters, which were not yet scripture."
9/23/16

See, "How Does God Communicate Blog." for context "
---john9346 on 6/19/17


---Haz27 on 6/17/17
Of course the alt-right would NEVER stoop to dehumanizing anyone. Where were you when the right was making threats against Obama?

Regarding Matt 24. I have no doubt the alt-right will also be a part of this.

Trump's proclamations:

1. I am the messenger.

2. Why do I have to repent, why do I have to ask for forgiveness if [Im] not making mistakes?

3. When I go to church and when I drink my little wine and have my little cracker, I guess that is a form of forgiveness. I do that as often as I can because I feel cleansed.

Just what is Trump proclaiming?

Some "lefties" have horrible behavior but what is the right's responsibility in all of this?
---NurseRobert on 6/19/17


Haz27:

As you always harp on them, no need for me to do so too. Isn't it equally disappointing that you ignore the sins of the right?

Who needs fake news when lies come from president's mouth? "No president in history has been treated as badly as I have", etc. He frequently uses superlative "Never in history" rhetoric, plain to anyone who has seen those very things in their own lifetimes.

Those who cry "foul" when the Left gives Trump a hard time did the same to Obama.

ONE crazy gun-waving leftist shot a Republican politician who sponsored a bill allowing crazy people to own guns, and voted to cut health care for pre-existing conditions (like mental illness). The irony is palpable.
---StrongAxe on 6/19/17


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NurseRobert:

"beseech: ask (someone) urgently and fervently to do something, implore, entreat."

Sir, beseech carries the same "Authority." as God pleading with Israel to repent "If You." in the OT?

"Obey is different that following."

Not according to Paul and Jude inspired by the Holy Spirit who wrote Romans and Jude. Following is obeying and Paul and Jude were well aware of these words meaning commandments to obey...

If it is wrong to obey Rom 16:17 then the Lord Jesus and all his apostles had issues of those who disagreed withthem right??

My question to you again how are you obeying Rom 16:17 and Jude 1:3??
---john9346 on 6/19/17


strongaxe:

"The early Christians didn't have Christian scripture, because that didn't exist yet -"

Sir, respectfully, on a prior posting you stated that Early Christians only had the OT Scriptures now your telling us they had none at all? Sir, your contradicting yourself??

"They didn't have a complex coherent trinitarian theology."

Sir, this is Patently False Polycarp, Justin Martyr, Ignatius, Irenaeus, Turtullian etc. witness against you...

Strongaxe, logic deals with facts and evidence not mere assertions
---john9346 on 6/19/17


Haz27:

NurseRobert said: Obey is different that following. It also goes with Jude 1:3. You are greatly encouraged to do these things, NOT commanded.

You said: Whilst it's good to see you trying to quote scripture, the fact is Jude 3 does not say what you quoted above.

Jude 1:3 contains: (I) exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

He says exhort, not command, so it does agree with what NurseRobert said.
---StrongAxe on 6/19/17


AXE. It's disappointing to see you conveniently ignore the decades of hateful, dehumanizing abuse that Leftist bullies and Fake News media have relied upon to impose their tyranny of Political correctness over society.

It's even more disappointing you now conveniently ignore the fact that the hateful, bigoted Left are so rabid since Trumps election, that they've heightened their vitriol where even leading Leftist figures suggest assassinating Trump, where Leftist's shoot REPs, and violent protests by Fascist Leftist thugs are increasing, and you obsess instead over Trump's son making a derogatory comment about these murderous Leftist hatemongers.

Maybe you should open you eyes to reality.
---Haz27 on 6/19/17


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Nurse. You said "It also goes with Jude 1:3. You are greatly encouraged to do these things, NOT commanded"

Whilst it's good to see you trying to quote scripture, the fact is Jude 3 does not say what you quoted above.

Can you check what scripture it actually is that you meant to quote.
---Haz27 on 6/18/17


john9346:

The early Christians didn't have Christian scripture, because that didn't exist yet - yet they still believed. They didn't have a complex coherent trinitarian theology. Their faith was simple. The same holds for many Christians over the ages who heard preaching, but who themselves were illiterate or who did not have access to bibles and study aids.


Haz27:

You wrote: Exactly the Left's tactics.

Really? Eric Trump said people who criticize his father "aren't really people". Is he a leftist? I guess he doesn't care for the First Amendment any more than his father does.
---StrongAxe on 6/18/17


---john9346 on 6/17/17

beseech: ask (someone) urgently and fervently to do something, implore, entreat.

commandment: a divine rule, especially one of the Ten Commandments. A rule to be observed as strictly as one of the Ten Commandments.

Now you tell me the difference.

Obey is different that following. It also goes with Jude 1:3. You are greatly encouraged to do these things, NOT commanded.

This goes back to my original post, you have issues with people who believe different than you.
---NurseRobert on 6/18/17


Chria9396 states, "I agree that love is the picture of the gospel, and not the fear of what is false."

But love without a foundation isn't love, but Make-Believe.

Its like a woman saying she is married to her husband but she doesn't know his name, his origin, background or language. In like manner how can anyone really say they worship, follow, and obey the Lord Jesus of "Scripture." when they deny he was fully God and fully man, that he is the Second Person of the Trinity who existed Eternally, and deny that God The son came in Human Flesh??
---john9346 on 6/18/17


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NurseRobert states, "First off, this is not a commandment.."

Explain to us, where is this not a "Commandment.", ""17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned, and avoid them." Rom 16:17

If it is wrong to obey Rom 16:17 then the Lord Jesus and all his apostles had issues of those who disagreed withthem right??

My question to you again how are you obeying Rom 16:17??

Also, how are you obeying Jude 1:3??
---john9346 on 6/17/17


question are you obeying this commandment?? Are you better than Paul?

---john9346 on 6/16/17

First off, this is not a commandment..You do understand what the term "beseech" means?

I go back to my first statement. You have issues with people who disagree with your interpretation of the scripture. Until such time that people can have a decent "debate" over scripture meaning there will always be bickering on this site.
---NurseRobert on 6/17/17


john9346 ... the one Gospel and the one definition of love are one in the same.it starts in Genesis and ends in the Revelation of Jesus Christ.
---brian on 6/16/17


AXE. True, dehumanizing others makes it easy to revile, persecute & kill them, as you say.

Exactly the Left's tactics. The Socialist Lefty Hitler did it, and Left today also (e.g dehumanize babies to justify abortion/murder). Islam does likewise.

Note the dehumanizing PC labels of abuse the Left has used for years to dehumanize opponents.

Is it any wonder there's such violence, threats, hate, etc from the Left. And it gets far worse whenever a successful conservative patriot like Trump, Pauline Hanson, Geert Wilders, Nigel Farage, etc arise.

Jesus warned that towards the end it will be the worst the world has ever seen (Matt 24:21,22). No doubt totalitarian, genocidal Left & Islam will be a major cause.
---Haz27 on 6/17/17


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NurseRobert said, "Hence the "arguing and bickering". John you just proved why this occurs."

Sir, hear what the Holy Spirit inspired Paul to write:

"17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned, and avoid them." Rom 16:17

question are you obeying this commandment?? Are you better than Paul?

Haz also stated, "Check scripture and see disagreements and conflicts arose in New Testament times also. We even see people being put out of the church for their deceitful doctrine."
---john9346 on 6/16/17


There are many on this blog that are, "False Christians." my friend...

examples:

--john9346 on 6/14/17

Hence the "arguing and bickering". John you just proved why this occurs.

You assume YOUR interpretation of scriptures is the correct one. What makes you so sure?

Haz and I have had many disagreements, but he said it right when he said:

Ultimately, Christians should focus primarily on their own walk of faith, as that is a battle on it's own (1Tim 6:12-14).
---Haz27 on 6/14/17
---NurseRobert on 6/16/17


Arguing and bickering are not what the gospel (good news) looks like or to be a Christian. I agree that love is the picture of the gospel, and not the fear of what is false. The Father makes known Truth, and truth dispels fear of what is false. Trusting Him, a christian has an assurance of Truth and what is false has no place.
---chria9396 on 6/16/17


brian:

The reason there is so much bickering (and holy wars, and slaughter in the name of Christ) is that so many people believe that they possess the truth, and can't be wrong about it - which makes everybody who disagrees deluded heathen. By dehumanizing others, it becomes all too easy to revile others (and worse, to persecute and even kill them).

by the way, if you click on my name another blogger with the name brian comes up...thats not even me...go figure....wonder how they do that.

This site tracks comments by name only. If you have the same blogger name as someone else, the site can't tell you two apart. I had the same problem when I first came here, so I picked a name unlikely to be used by anyone else.
---StrongAxe on 6/16/17


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Brian:

I believe it would be most helpful here if you could be more specific to what exactly you find is arguing and bickering?
---john9346 on 6/15/17


Brian responded, "john9346, there's only one Gospel and only one definition of love."

And can you tell us what is that, "One Gospel?" and what is that, "One definition." of love?
---john9346 on 6/15/17


Good stuff josef ...u da man

Mark, spot on..thank you

john9346, there's only one Gospel and only one definition of love.

Haz, I dont assume..I stumbled across this site, did some reading for awhile and then asked a couple of questions....casted a line in the water, if you will.

by the way, if you click on my name another blogger with the name brian comes up...thats not even me...go figure....wonder how they do that.
---brian on 6/15/17


I thought we,the church, were supposed to be a picture of the Gospel.And as for love, I'm not seeing alot of that on this site.
---brian on 6/14/17

You are not alone.

I have questioned myself and others on such.

If you browse other closed blogs, you will see where I apologized to several here for words and attitudes that did not reflect love and tolerance.

But it has to start somewhere if things are to change. I chose to start it with myself.

How about you? Are you willing to be kind and loving to all today, even if they disagree with you strongly?
---Mark_Eaton on 6/15/17


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Brian said, "I thought we,the church, were supposed to be a picture of the Gospel."

Which "Gospel." are you referencing.

Brian said, "And as for love, I'm not seeing alot of that on this site."

What is your definition of love?
---john9346 on 6/14/17


Haz:

Excellent Points sir... excellent point...
---john9346 on 6/14/17


Brian. You cant assume everyone here is Christian. Even in scripture we see warnings of deceivers in church.

Check scripture and see disagreements and conflicts arose in New Testament times also. We even see people being put out of the church for their deceitful doctrine.

This is an open forum where Christians (at various stages of maturity), as well as pretend Christians, and maybe even non Christians share on scripture. And as on any forum there will be differences and also misunderstandings, etc.

And Christians will forgive 7x70 even on any offence over misunderstandings and disagreements.

Ultimately, Christians should focus primarily on their own walk of faith, as that is a battle on it's own (1Tim 6:12-14).
---Haz27 on 6/14/17


Brian:

There are many on this blog that are, "False Christians." my friend...

examples:

1. There are those here who reject, "The Trinity."

2. There are those here who reject, "The Incarnation and The Hypostatic Union of the Lord Jesus Christ."

3. There are those here who reject, "Sola Scriptura."

4. . There are those here who believe the Mosaic Law must be kept in order to be save.

Hope you can now see why there is such devisiveness and disunity. Sometimes those who know the truth do not confront deception with gentleness and meekness see, 1 Pet 3:15...
---john9346 on 6/14/17


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I thought we,the church, were supposed to be a picture of the Gospel.And as for love, I'm not seeing alot of that on this site.
---brian on 6/14/17


Brian said, "So much arguing and bickering on here. Is this what it looks like to be a Christian? Is this a picture of the Gospel?"

Yes, the fight against lies, false doctrine, and deliberate deceivers deceiving and being deceived is "Biblical Christianity." any other is not "Christianity." at all...

Love isn't love if it isn't united on something and for something...

Brian, there are many "False Gospels.", but there is only "1 True Gospel." to save sinners...
---john9346 on 6/14/17


" Is this what it looks like to be a Christian? Is this a picture of the Gospel?" Of course not, love is the picture of the gospel. And "Love suffers long and is kind,.. is not puffed up, does not behave rudely, does not seek its own, is not provoked,.. bears all things,.. endures all things." Ref 1Co 13:4-7
---josef on 6/13/17


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