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Greatest Threat To The World

What is the greatest threat to civilization today - Global Warming or Islam?

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The fact that the likes of Axe and Nurse believe them is testimony to how effective the thought control is from the Left's Fake News media, etc.
---Haz27 on 6/25/17

I find that funny, Haz, because unlike you and Jerry I cited my sources - NONE of which come from "fake news media."

Where are YOUR sources??
---NurseRobert on 6/25/17


30,000 Scientists? The so called Global Warming Petition? Qualifications needed to sign this petition? A degree any degree in any form of science. A lot of these signatures couldn't be verified. Less that 1% have any background in Climatology. It was started by Art Robinson of theOregon Institute of Science and Medicine (backed by the Exxon backed George Marshall Institute.) There's a cover letter by Fred Seitz - a climate change denier who also said second hand cigarette smoke was harmless, and a research paper written by oil-backed scientists.

Strongaxe, Jerry claims I spew facts that don't exist (even given the citations), but he has NEVER given facts to back his suppositions, even after being asked multiple times.
---NurseRobert on 6/25/17


AXE. As you know, CN limits forces us to be concise. I refer term Fascists to violent Lefties, of whom there are many throughout the West. Peaceful Lefties like you and Nurse clearly do not behave with their trademark violence.

Written records of early explorers describing the poles 100yrs ago also indicate that ice capes are not receding, other than the natural variations that occur.

JERRY. The greedy and corrupt Left and $4billion per day global warming industry clearly have vested interests in deceiving as many as they can. The fact that the likes of Axe and Nurse believe them is testimony to how effective the thought control is from the Left's Fake News media, etc.
---Haz27 on 6/25/17


Haz: None are so blind as those who will not see. The lefty twins (axey & nursey) will continue to spout the ridiculous Global Warming drivel no matter the evidence because leftism is their religion. No matter that 30,000 scientists oppose the GW hoax, axey still contends that 97% of scientists "believe" in GW. Similarly, nursey spews "facts" that don't exist. Meanwhile, like all their lefty friends, they welcome the barbaric horde of Muslims with open arms and OUR money.

P.S. I watched the Andrew Bolt Panel on YouTube. Good stuff! But you'll never get the lefty twins to watch anything except that approved by the thought police.




---Jerry6593 on 6/25/17


Haz27:

The way you worded that, you lump all "Lefties" into one bucket, and effectively accuse NurseRobert (and presumably me) of being fascists, and condoning violence. I am not, and I don't, and I haven't seen anything in his writings to suggest that he is or he does either. Use a narrower brush.

Of course it's not surprising that Arctic and Antarctic expeditions have failed. It's hard enough when they're totally cold and frozen. "Mostly frozen" would not only not offer appreciable access, but would actively hamper access (e.g. it's much easier to travel through snow than slush.) Once the ice caps are totally gone, then the poles will be accessible, but by that point, it will be way too late for all of us.
---StrongAxe on 6/25/17




NURSE. The journalist is ANDREW BOLT. He's so hated by you Lefties that few weeks ago he was violently attacked by 2 Fascist Lefties, at a cafe.

If you search "Andrew Bolt blogs" and "The Bolt Report" FaceBook, you can access his articles free instead of subscribing to newspaper and TV outlets.

Prof Chris Turney's Antarctic expedition got stuck in ice packs, in their efforts to prove the South Pole ice caps were melting. And similarly last year a ship of gloabal warming alarmists failed to reach the supposedly melting North Pole, because of ice packs.

Even leading alarmist Ben Santer, lead author of a paper in Nature Geoscience, now admits the world isn't warming as predicted by global warming models.
---Haz27 on 6/24/17


---Haz27 on 6/24/17
I would really like to know who this "well known" journalist is, and who were the "scientists" discussing global warming. I would love to read that article or see that video.

And please explain what facts Jerry presented. Sound like all he did was spout his opinion.

Sea Ice: Where are you getting your data? Arctic sea ice has declined substantially (Stroeve et al. 2015), glaciers are rapidly retreating all over the world (WGMS 2013), sea levels are rising (Yi et al. 2015, NOAA).
---NurseRobert on 6/24/17


JERRY. A well known journalist (and very much hated, and even violently attacked by the Left) here in Australia recently interviewed a panel of scientists discussing global warming.

All the scientists on the panel rejected the global warming propaganda of the Left and the greedy $4 billion per day global warming industry with it's corrupt practices of discriminating against any climate scientist who contradicts the doctrine of the global warming cult.

Good to hear the facts you offered exposing the global warming scam.








---Haz27 on 6/24/17


The greatest threat to civilization today is mystery Babylon.
---Earl on 6/24/17


And why has the earth cooled over the last 19 years...
---Jerry6593 on 6/24/17

Because it hasn't. The data shows an increase in global temperature.

Data presented Easterling and Wehner 2009, Santer et al. 2011, Karl et al. 2015, Lewandowsky et al. 2015a,b, all show an increase in global warming. Of course, if you cherry pick your data, there are ups and downs but overall the general trend is temperatures are going up.

Lorius et al in 1990, Tripati in 2009 and Shakun in 2012 all show that CO2 is a driving factor in this rising temperature
---NurseRobert on 6/24/17




Jerry6593:

You wrote: And just where did the fossil fuels come from initially? That's right genius ... from PLANTS.

Yes - at a time when the earth's atmosphere had much more carbon dioxide in it, and not the oxygen to burn it. Do you really want to return the planet to a humid jungle with an atmosphere breathable only by plants but not animals?

It doesn't matter whether climate change comes from natural or man-made sources - it IS happening, and if it doesn't stop, we're all in for a very unpleasant time. We need to do whatever we can to slow it down as much as possible.

Think man! Your belief in this crap is blind faith - not critical reasoned thinking.

So is your disbelief in it.
---StrongAxe on 6/24/17


ax: "However, burning fossil fuels adds to it without taking it back"

And just where did the fossil fuels come from initially? That's right genius ... from PLANTS.

ALL of the perceived Global Warming since the last Ice Age Scare in the '70s has NOT come from the CO2 emissions of man, but rather from the increased solar output during that period. If this is not true, then why did the temperature of Mars track our own over the same period? And why has the earth cooled over the last 19 years when the CO2 output (mainly from China) has skyrocketed. These events could not have happened if your GW paradigm were true.

Think man! Your belief in this crap is blind faith - not critical reasoned thinking.

---Jerry6593 on 6/24/17


But then again, you will believe whatever you want to believe, regardless of the evidence to the contrary.---StrongAxe

StrongAxe
Isn't this true of you too? It's True of anyone who staunchly believes in most anything. Whether it's politics, religion, science, etc....

God refers to this as being, "closed minded". Closed mindedness causes us to deny the Truth. Not just the Truth about God, but in many things. I'm guilty of too,...at times, but unlike most, I try to understand those who see things differently than me.

Pride is the cause of close mindedness, Humility is the cure which opens the mind.
---David on 6/24/17


Haz27:

You wrote: You really need to take the red pill AXE.

So do you. But then again, you will believe whatever you want to believe, regardless of the evidence to the contrary.
---StrongAxe on 6/21/17


AXE. Re ice caps melting, that's just another Fake News fable from the Left.

NASA satellite instruments reveal Earth's polar ice caps have not receded since satellite began measuring them in 1979. The misleading pics of receding ice you saw were just conveniently selected parts of the overall natural variation.

Last year a group of climate scientists set out to North Pole hoping to prove ice caps melting. Their hopes were dashed when their path was blocked by ice packs near Murmansk, Russia.

Similarly climate scientists here traveled to South Pole from Aust, only to get stuck in unexpected ice packs. Even the ice breaker ship sent to rescue them got stuck in the ice packs.

You really need to take the red pill AXE.
---Haz27 on 6/21/17


(Oops, I meant SUBJECTIVE opinion)
---StrongAxe on 6/21/17


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AXE. You're so brainwashed by Left you refuse to deal honestly with facts.

Former Leftist Yuri Bezmanov, a Russian KGB Communist defector, warned that you brainwashed people typically refuse to be red pilled.

FACT: There's no 90+% scientific consensus.
PBL Netherlands Environment Assessment Agency survey on climate scientists found ONLY 43% agree with IPCC that it's 95%+ likely that more than half of global warming was caused by human activity.

The climate change industry is renowned for sacking scientists who are skeptics, or they're refused grants for research, or its harder to get their inconvenient findings published.
That's the corruption of the greedy $4 billion a day climate change industry.

---Haz27 on 6/21/17


In ancient Rome, beheadings were quick painless executions reserved for citizens. Non-citizens were subject to painful torturous crucifixions. Beheadings were similarly used to painlessly execute nobles in the Middle Ages, and in the French Revolution, and is also prevalent in Islam.--StrongAxe

StrongAxe
The Beheading of Roman citizens, nobles in the Middle Ages, and those during the French Revolution, were beheaded for their witness of Jesus Christ. Can you give me your source of reference?

Here's mine,... written in the Quran.

"Now when ye meet in battle those who disbelieve, then it is smiting of the necks...." (47:4)
---David on 6/21/17


Mark_Eaton:

"Who knows?" means that whether it's better for humans to live, or for humans to go extinct and the world to be populated by roaches is an objective opinion. Humans and roaches would disagree.


Haz27:

No concensus? 90+% percent of scientists believe in it. But of course, politicians who have no scientific training, but receive millions of dollars in lobby money from fossil fuel interests know science better than people who make careers out of it.

The Fake news about man made climate change sounds more like a lie designed to manipulate people in the West.

Yes, they must have photoshopped the time-laps photos of the ice caps melting, right?
---StrongAxe on 6/20/17


Isaiah 51:6 - Lift up you eyes to the heavens, and look upon the earth beneath, For the heavens shall vanish away like smoke. And the earth shall wax old like a garment, and they that dwell therein shall die in that manner, but my salvation shall be forever, and my righteousness shall not be abolished,
---RichardC on 6/20/17


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AXE. Very simplistic response that does not represent reality.

Crop yields have increased over past decades taking out carbon from fossil fuels. In the city where I live they have planted so many trees over past 30 years that birds are far more abundant.

There is, in fact, no consensus amongst scientists on global warming.

Don't forget about the global warming hiatus for the past 18 year period which warming alarmists cannot explain.

Also, many scientists have claimed that the global warming doomsayer scientists are simply riding the gravy train so they receive funding.

The Fake news about man made climate change sounds more like a lie designed to manipulate people in the West.



---Haz27 on 6/20/17


It's a bad thing
---StrongAxe on 6/20/17

Your first sentence was best, "who knows"? You have decided Global Warming is a bad thing but who knows?

This discussion reminds me of the pine trees that NEED a forest fire to replenish. We see the fire as a bad thing, yet it is a good thing for these pine trees.

We are deciding what is good and evil, just as we did in the Garden.

Instead of playing God, how about we trust the God who created this planet and not try to be God ourselves?

But we should do what we can: conserve, replenish, and reduce waste.
---Mark_Eaton on 6/20/17


David:

"Civilization" means "an advanced state of human society, in which a high level of culture, science, industry, and government has been reached", and has nothing to do with whether people are saved or not. It enables cities to exist, by shipping food in, and much more productive technological assists to agriculture than are possible with horse and plow.

In ancient Rome, beheadings were quick painless executions reserved for citizens. Non-citizens were subject to painful torturous crucifixions. Beheadings were similarly used to painlessly execute nobles in the middle ages, and in the French Revolution, and is also prevalent in Islam. The predominant use of other forms of execution is fairly recent.
---StrongAxe on 6/20/17


Jerry
The use of the words Civilization and Threat in your question, leads me to believe you are referring to the unsaved. For where others see threats, those who are sure of their salvation,....see promise.

I see Islam as the greatest threat for the unsaved. I say this, because there is nothing written about Global warming in the book of Revelation, but it does mention "Beheadings".

Islam is known for the beheading of those who don't believe as they do.(Revelation 20:4).....and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus...,,
---David on 6/20/17


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Mark_Eaton:

1. Who knows? It appears to be a happy equilibrium that rising temperatures jeopardize., and many species are being endangered or going extinct as a result. It will likely reach another equilibrium - one that will not be to our liking, as it will be less hospitable to humans (if at all).

2. Whether humans are causing global warming or not is irrelevant to whether or not it is happening. It's a bad thing, and we need to do whatever we can to slow it down before the changes are irreversable.


Haz27:

There is a natural balance of carbon in the atmosphere - animals put it into the atmosphere, and plants take it out. However, burning fossil fuels adds to it without taking it back out, altering the balance.
---StrongAxe on 6/20/17


Sam: "Fact the oceans are rising and the world is getting warmer. So that is a danger to live on this planet as we know it."

Hogwash! The oceans are not rising and the earth has been cooling for the last 19 years. God is in charge of protecting His people on this planet - not some leftist buffoon bent on enriching himself at by claiming the sky is falling.



---Jerry6593 on 6/20/17


Politicians don't generally jump on the bandwagon until they see others do so.

Fact the oceans are rising and the world is getting warmer. So that is a danger to live on this planet as we know it.

Radical Islam will in the end fall apart and die out. It has happened before.

Our reaction of fear and looking for evil makes us a danger to the future. When a leader comes promising to solve all the world problems. When in fear people turn to him. When he declares that those who are not following the correct GOD must be eliminated and that the sacrifice of the few to save the many is necessary. That is the greatest danger.

We look to GOD for hope. We are to live in love and hope not fear.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/19/17


The greatest threat is atheism.
What causes atheism?
"The greatest single cause of atheism in the world today is Christians who acknowledge Jesus with their lips and walk out the door and deny Him by their lifestyle. That is what an unbelieving world simply finds unbelievable."-Brennan Manning
---micha9344 on 6/19/17


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How is global warming a lie?
---StrongAxe on 6/19/17

I rarely correspond with you and never on political subjects. Yet I feel drawn to ask you two simple questions that you seem to not consider.

1. Is todays global temperature the optimal temperature?
2. If the global temperature is warming, (and you say it is) what empirical evidence is there that humans are causing it?

I rarely see the scientific community address Question 1. To me, Question 1 simply asks "is there a problem"?

Ice core and non-tree ring data confirm that the planet has been warmer than this century at least 5 times in the last 2000 years.

If we cannot answer Question 1, why go on to Question 2?
---Mark_Eaton on 6/19/17


AXE. Ice sheets fluctuate. They shrink in one area and grow in another. this is norm.

The so called threat of "carbon"from fossils is another lie. Carbon is a natural and needed component of life. Reduce carbon too much and human population cannot be sustained.

Fossil fuels are affordable means of providing electricity to societies, especially poor ones. Millions of poor in third world countries die because they do not have affordable electricity available for them for necessities of life.
---Haz27 on 6/19/17


Haz27:

Parts of the Antarctic ice caps are cracking off and falling into the ocean. Parts of Greenland are visible that were never visible before. How is global warming a lie?

Reducing reliance on fossil fuels is not "caving to totalitarian rule". It's good stewardship of our planet, and since God has given us stewardship over it, it behooves us to not foul our own yard. Wind and sun are renewable. Oil, coal, and gas are not, and will eventually run out. Why do multinational energy companies fight renewables tooth and nail? Solely for their own profit margins. But Republicans favor corporations over people, so it's not surprising they oppose this as well. Corporations are false idols.
---StrongAxe on 6/19/17


Both Global warming and Islam are lies meant to subdue people under totalitarian rule.

They're both false idols that can distract from fighting the good fight of faith (1Tim 6:12-14).

---Haz27 on 6/19/17


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Jerry6593:

You wrote: What is the greatest threat to civilization today - Global Warming or Islam?

A toxic faith or political environment can make life difficult for humans for a while - e.g. Communism for 70 years, Islam for hundreds of years, Rome for a thousand years. A non-viable biosphere can make life impossible for millions of years. Which is worse in the long term?
---StrongAxe on 6/18/17


Neither - the greatest threat are Christians who aren't being positive witness both in the spiritual and practical arena such as good work ethics!
---WIVV on 6/18/17


Cluny: I couldn't agree more! Any time a scientific theory is being promoted by politicians, we should be skeptical.



---Jerry6593 on 6/18/17


I remember back in the late 70's when the big ecological horror was over global COOLING. Even TIME and NEWSWEEK had cover articles threatening a new ice age.

Then in the 1990's, the big problem was the hole in the ozone layer.

Of the two, I'd presently say Islam.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/17/17


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