ChristiaNet MallWorld's Largest Christian MallChristian BlogsFree Bible QuizzesFree Ecards and Free Greeting CardsLoans, Debt, Business and Insurance Articles

Still Call Themselves Sinners

If sin is the transgression of the Law, and without the Law there can be no sin, why do those who are not under the Law, still call themselves sinners?

Join Our Free Penpals and Take The Sin & Repentance Quiz
 ---David on 6/22/17
     Helpful Blog Vote (2)

Post a New Blog



Barb, after all these conversations, I've actually forgotten exactly what you believe? That keeping the LAW will save you.."in the end" ?

So,exactly what part of the Law says to "EAT MY FLESH AND DRINK MY BLOOD? and can you give any OT Prophesy to back up Jesus words? It appears the Pharisees and many disciples had a hard time with Jesus words here and walked away.

Have you too walked away from this too,? And if not exactly HOW do you obey it? Remember, Jesus said this before His death and resurrection, which you do not believe in......
---kathr4453 on 7/15/17


RichardC, Jesus testified to the authenticity of the Prophets. Jeremiah was a prophet. Matt 5:17, Matt 22:40. Revelation was from God, to Jesus, to Jesus' angel who gave it to John to write down for His (Jesus) servants. It's all there in Rev. 1:1-3.

Kathr, truth mixed with lies spoils the nourishment in the soup. As to your 2nd question, I ask myself who is speaking according to the law and the testimony, Jesus or Paul? The answer is always Jesus. Isaiah 8:20.

---barb on 7/14/17


barb:

You wrote: Kathr, no, I do not believe Peter was a false teacher. I believe he was the victim of an identity thief.

If you believe that someone stole Peter's identity to write the letters of Peter, does that mean you believe those are false teachings? If so, why are they in the bible in the first place?

If you believe some parts of the bible are inspired and others are not, how do you decide which parts are correct and which parts are error? For example, of Peter and Paul disagree, how can you tell which of them is right?
---StrongAxe on 7/14/17


2 Peter 1:21 - For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: But holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost,

Jeremiah 1:9 - Then the Lord put forth his hand, and touch my mouth, And the Lord said unto me, Behold I have put my word thy mouth,

Question ? Is Jeremiah 8:8 - Talking about Jeremiah ? - or - Others that boast ?

Revelation - 21 :18 ---------> 21 -

Question ? Are these verses written in Revelation, By the Apostle John ? or God ?
---RichardC on 7/12/17


Kathr, no, I do not believe Peter was a false teacher. I believe he was the victim of an identity thief.
---barb on 7/12/17




1 Peter 1:3Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

1 Peter 1:10 Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
1 Peter 1:13 Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ,

Barb, do you believe Peter is also a false teacher Who testifies to the Law and Prophet about the GRACE that was to come.....as well as Peter TESTIFYING of Paul who also taught this same GRACE?
---kathr4453 on 7/11/17


John, no, I don't believe everything in the bible is inspired by the Holy Spirit. Jeremiah 8:8-9.

If Paul believed what he wrote in Timothy 3:15-17, he would have stuck to the scriptures, and not gone beyond them by adding his gospel of grace. He would have preached the Law and the Prophets and the Testimony/Words of Jesus. The latter of which he seems to have no knowledge.

"Anyone who goes too far and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God, the one who abides in the teaching, he has both the Father and the Son." 2nd John 5:9-11, John 20:21-23.
---barb on 7/11/17


barb said, "Exactly. That is why my teacher is the Holy Spirit and not Paul."

Ma'am, do you not believe the following words inspired of the Holy Spirit in 2 Tim 3:15-17??

The Word of God states, "
15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works."

---john9346 on 7/11/17


barb states, "John, Jesus, bore witness to the Prophets and to Moses."

Ma'am, the Lord Jesus Christ bear witnessed to Paul as well as se, The Word of God in Acts 9.
---john9346 on 7/10/17


Barb, Luke was not a convert of Paul's. Paul heard of Luke and asked Luke if he would travel with him.

Luke was saved long before Paul was, and may have even been Mary's physician. Luke was also a Jew, not a Gentile. Many traveled with Paul who were not his converts Barb.

James , who wrote the book of James was not an Apostle either. And we see not all the Apostles wrote epistles .
---kathr4453 on 7/10/17




John, Jesus, bore witness to the Prophets and to Moses. Matt 5:17, Matt 22:40, John 5:45-47, John 7:19.

Kathr, Luke was not a disciple of Jesus but was a convert of Paul's. Luke does not say he knew or followed Jesus during His, Jesus' ministry. His gospel is a letter to someone named Theophllus and although he does mention he has sources for his information, he does not name them.
---barb on 7/10/17


Paul wrote.

Romans 5:8
But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

Read the whole chapter and chapter 3 of Romans. We were saved not because of good we did. But in spite of the evil we have done.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 7/10/17


david ask, "Can you show me, in the Gospel, where Jesus taught the love of God is unmerited?"

Yes, Jn 3:3-16, 15:13-16.

If we can meritt the love of God then there would have been no need for the Lord Jesus Christ to die...
---john9346 on 7/10/17


Barb said, "Paul can say whatever he wants about the voice he heard but that does not prove that that voice belonged to Jesus."

If this is true, we can say the same thing here about Moses, Isaiah, Jeremiah, and all the prophets...

If this is true, then did Moses really here Yahweh's Voice on Sinai? Did the Israelites really hear God's Voice speak to them?


Do you believe in the book of Genesis?

If you do, Moses wasn't around to actually see creation, but you accept it to be truth correct?




---
---john9346 on 7/9/17


Here is what Barb doesn't understand, ..Both Luke and Acts, written by Luke was addressed to a man named Theophilus , and Acts begins where Luke left off.....the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ and Jesus instruction to wait for the Holy Spirit. Luke was an eye witness to Jesus, long before he met Paul. The Acts of the APOSTLES was not one of Pauls epistles......To accuse Luke of duplicity is most unforgivable, and severely ignorant.


Luke 1:3 It seemed good to me also, having had perfect understanding of all things from the very first, to write unto thee in order, most excellent Theophilus,

Acts 1:1 The former treatise have I made, O Theophilus, of all that Jesus began both to do and teach,
In
---kathr4453 on 7/9/17


barb states, "Ananias, if he existed was not telling his own story, Paul was speaking for him and telling what Ananias said and did."

Ma'am, incorrect please read Acts9.

Barb said, "Paul can say whatever he wants about the voice he heard but that does not prove that that voice belonged to Jesus."

If this is true, we can say the same thing here about Moses, Isaiah, Jeremiah, and all the prophets...

If this is true, then did Moses really here Yahweh's Voice on Sinai? Did the Israelites really hear God's Voice speak to them?
---john9346 on 7/8/17


Read These Insightful Articles About Debt Consolidation


Barb

Explain to us, what criteria and standard do you use in determining if someone, "speak according to the testimony of Jesus."

Do you believe in the book of Genesis?

If you do, Moses wasn't around to actually see creation, but you accept it to be truth correct?



---john9346 on 7/8/17


1 Peter 3:15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation, even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you, 16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

Seems Peter who's epistles are words inspired by the Holy Spirit , who has a much deeper understanding to what Jesus spoke doesn't have your problem Barb, ..and Peter has more authority than you.

I'll take Peter's direction here, not yours. Since YOU wrest with Pauls words....this is addressed to you BY GOD. Take heed Barb.
---kathr4453 on 7/8/17


Kathr, yes, those are definitely the words of Jesus and they speak for themselves.

Ananias, if he existed was not telling his own story, Paul was speaking for him and telling what Ananias said and did. We never hear Ananias speak for himself. Paul can say whatever he wants about the voice he heard but that does not prove that that voice belonged to Jesus. Jesus, even after His resurrection makes no mention of Paul, not even to His disciples. Nothing, except for what is written in Rev 2:2.

Luke was a follower of Paul and the writer of Acts. He wrote down the description that Paul gave him. Yes, I reject Luke when he does not speak according to the testimony of Jesus.

---barb on 7/8/17


Matthew 12:37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

Barb, I believe Jesus spoke these words. AND another thing YOU misrepresented here was ALL OF ACTS 9, Where THE LORD HIMSELF TESTIFIED TO ANANIAS regarding Paul and his conversion. Ananias would never have baptized Paul without that as well. And Ananias WITNESSING Pauls burned eyes AND actually ministered to them as well as Paul.

So GOD HIMSELF Testifies of Paul, which Luke wrote, I'm sure verifying those facts with Ananias.

Who,are YOU to decide what scripture is true and what YOU decide Is false?

Come out from under your FALSE TEACHERS BARB.
---kathr4453 on 7/8/17


Read These Insightful Articles About Refinancing


Luke wrote Luke, one of the 4 Gospels so many folks refuse to move from believing anything after the 4 Gospels is false teaching, YET this very person who wrote one of the 4 Gospels GOD CHOSE to also author the continuation of the NT ....not as something New, but as something absolutely important to VERIFY THE WORDS OF JESUS, that Jesus said he would die and rise from the dead....of which LUKE also testifies to......

So Barb, if you reject Luke's words, then you also must reject the Gospel of Luke , since in your own words Luke is a LIAR and false witness and has been from the beginning.

GOD chose Luke to record Paul Barb.....and with good reason...to debunk folks like yourself who hate Paul. Your own words have condemned you.
---kathr4453 on 7/8/17


Kathr, these are the words of Jesus, "if I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true". He then goes on to give witnesses for Himself. John 5:31-47. Jesus is the Son of God, the perfect Lamb with no sin/blemish. He is not witnessing to His salvation but to the fact that He is, who He says He is. If the Son of God feels the need to supply witnesses for Himself, how much more so does Paul need to give witnesses to his claim that he is chosen by God.

It defies reason to believe that Jesus would choose a Pharisee after hearing His words to them in Matt 23 and not just any Pharisee, but one who is persecuting and killing His followers and one that His new followers will find hard to understand.



---barb on 7/8/17


Barb, nowhere does scripture say God requires 2-3 witnesses to our initial VERY MOMENT OF OUR salvation. Just Pauls change of heart and life, we see Paul was given the right hand of fellowship in Galatia by the Council that came from Jerusalem. And we also have Peter in Peters letters testifying of Paul and Pauls calling by God, and saying those who wrestle with Pauls teaching do so to their own destruction. That also should be a warning to you...Peters words.....

His lie was also that he didn't at first believe Jesus was the son of God. And LOOK at Pauls amazing testimony to those who first saw Paul as an enemy of the Church.. IT ALL DID ABOUND TO GODS GLORY didn't it by preaching Christ Crucified and risen.
---kathr4453 on 7/7/17


barb states, "John, I already showed you where Paul lied. Romans 3:7..."for if the truth of God has more abounded through my lie unto His glory..." That is a lie because God's truth does not abound by lies nor do lies bring glory to God."

Ma'am, if you pay attention to the verse Paul states, "If." not it did. This converssation in context starts in vs 4.


What your demonstrating here is an unwillingness to read "Scripture." in context... resulting in your own confusion and misunderstanding.

---john9346 on 7/7/17


Send a Free Funny New Year Ecard


Barb states, "Luke wrote Acts but was not there to witness Paul's conversion."

First, this is assuming much with no evidence...

Luke's Historical Devotion guided him in all matters to be cogent in what he wrote... as well as Luke was Paul's Friend, Luke knew Paul...

Tell us, do you reject the gospel of Luke?
---john9346 on 7/7/17


John, I already showed you where Paul lied. Romans 3:7..."for if the truth of God has more abounded through my lie unto His glory..." That is a lie because God's truth does not abound by lies nor do lies bring glory to God.

Luke wrote Acts but was not there to witness Paul's conversion. The men on the road with him cannot be counted as witnesses because they never testify to what they saw or heard, nor does Ananias. They just ride off into the sunset, never to be heard from again. Paul wants to be his own witness but God requires 2 or three witnesses. John 5:31-47.
---barb on 7/6/17


barb states, "John, Paul establishes his own lies when he writes of them in letters and sends them to the Corinthians and Romans."

Ma'am, show us all here in the following verses where Paul, "Lied?"

Rom 3
Butt If our unrighteousness [e]demonstrates the righteousness of God, what shall we say? The God who inflicts wrath is not unrighteous, is He? (I am speaking in human terms.) 6 May it never be! For otherwise, how will God judge the world? 7 But if through my lie the truth of God abounded to His glory, why am I also still being judged as a sinner? 8 And why not say (as we are slanderously reported and as some claim that we say), Let us do evil that good may come? [f]Their condemnation is just.
---john9346 on 7/6/17


barb ask, "Where does He bear witness to Paul?"

Ma'am, have you not read Acts 9??

Also, can you show us in 2 Cor 12 where Paul lied starting at verse 1??

You know it is lying when you take the words of someone out of context and make accusations against them??
---john9346 on 7/6/17


Read These Insightful Articles About Franchises


Dear David:

First, I hope you will help all by staying on the topic and responding accordingly and not engaging in Trivial things...

Next, I am who I am and I don't know who Mark V is, but what I have read of his postings they are, "Extremely Sound in bringing topics and question to, "Holy Scripture." of which you demonstrate an unwillingness to do so...

I know Luke and from what I have both read Mark V and Luke affirm what I affirm and confess which is the Doctrines of Grace AKA Calvinism...

We're all are, "Reform." and for me I say, "To God be praised." for the Doctrines of Grace AKA Calvinism.

Lord, thank you...
---john9346 on 7/6/17


Paul is not lying. People take Paul and rearrange his words and thoughts to make lies.

Peter explained this.

2Peter 3:15,16 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation, even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you, As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
---Samuelbb7 on 7/6/17


Why do you keep changing your name?
---David on 7/6/17

I do not change my name. I am not John9346.

I do not know why you have accused me of this, except that I do not agree with your dogma.

Go back and look at old blogs and you will see I have been on this site since 2009 using the same name.

I discuss with you and all people here to help me. I think you will see I have changed my understanding of many things and God continues to open the eye of my understanding. I pray he does the same for you.
---Mark_Eaton on 7/6/17


John, Paul establishes his own lies when he writes of them in letters and sends them to the Corinthians and Romans.

Jesus bore witness to Abraham, Moses, David and many others including His eyewitness disciples, thereby testifying to their authenticity. Where does He bear witness to Paul?
---barb on 7/6/17


Read These Insightful Articles About Lead Generation


I find this to be so childish and immature of you...John

John/Mark v/ Luke
I laughed when I saw this. I laughed because your lack of maturity was the very reason I don't enjoy talking with you.

You are who you are and I know you can't change that, though you have tried by changing your name on CN. Why do you keep changing your name?
---David on 7/6/17


Barb said, "John, why don't you be honest with yourself and admit you have no explanation for Paul's lies."

But Ma'am, you haven't established that he lied yet??

All you have shown so far are some not all of his words in context...
What your demonstrating here is something that can be done to Abraham, Moses, David, Joshua, etc.
---john9346 on 7/5/17


barb states, "2nd Peter was most likely not written by Peter. You can check that out for yourself and some scholars believe it was tampered with."

Are you aware that these same scholars also do not believe in the bible at all? To these scholars the bible is fiction.

Are you aware of the evidence for the NT?
---john9346 on 7/5/17


Stick to Scripture and we will have a common point of reference.
---Jerry6593 on 7/4/17

Lighten up and take a joke. Geesh!

Sure, here is your Scripture.

Col. 2:16 "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days"
---Mark_Eaton on 7/5/17


Read These Insightful Articles About Mortgages


John, why don't you be honest with yourself and admit you have no explanation for Paul's lies.

The Spirit of Truth does not inspire lies. "Howbeit, when He, the Spirit of Truth is come, He will guide you into all Truth, for He shall not speak of Himself but whatsoever He shall hear, that shall He speak and He shall you show you things to come. He shall glorify me for He shall receive of mine and shall show it unto you". John 16:7-16.
---barb on 7/5/17


John
Okay, you don't believe me, so I'll leave it at that. I really don't like talking to you anyway.
---David on 7/5/17

I find this to be so childish and immature of you...

Just remember what the law has to say about this comment...

I could say the same thing about you saying what I believe is a "False Doctrine.", but I'm a man... and I left childish things behind...

May God guide You,,

John
---john9346 on 7/5/17


Jesus's Words are the words of Paul and there is no separation as stated below:

When Paul spoke he spoke Jesus's Words.

The following is false and not something the authors of "Scripture." taught, defended, or believe:

Mark
You say the Truth came by Jesus Christ, but then you use the words of Paul. If you believe the Truth came by Jesus Christ, teach me by using his words.
---David on 7/5/17
---john9346 on 7/5/17


Sir, I believe, Your statements were read in context..---John

John
Okay, you don't believe me, so I'll leave it at that. I really don't like talking to you anyway.
---David on 7/5/17


Read These Insightful Articles About Personal Loans


barb ask, "John9346, if you know the "self explanatory" context of Paul's lie, please explain it to me. How does a lie abound to God's truth and bring glory to Him?"

Ma'am, how about reading what the HolySpirit inspired Paul to write for yourself please see 2 Cor 12 and Romans 3 see entire chapterfor full context no lies nowhere ...

Barb ask, "Jesus is the Way, the Truth and the Life. Do you think He told fibs to bring glory to His Father?"

Did you know that the Lord JesusChristordained and commissioned Paul?
---john9346 on 7/4/17


david:

"You read my statement out of context."

Sir, I believe, Your statements were read in context,however, you further clarified so thanks...

"Where in the Gospel did Jesus teach predestination?"

Jn6:37-45, 64-65, Jn 10:11-29, 17:1-9, 18:8-9.

David, tell us, what is the def of "Grace." since you state the Lord Jesus never used it?
---john9346 on 7/4/17


John9346, if you know the "self explanatory" context of Paul's lie, please explain it to me. How does a lie abound to God's truth and bring glory to Him?

Jesus is the Way, the Truth and the Life. Do you think He told fibs to bring glory to His Father? I know He did not. John 8:31-32. What will happen to all liars on judgment day? Rev. 21:7-8.
---barb on 7/4/17


In the Coine Greek, which was the original language used the writing the Bible, sin means, "To miss the mark". God established a mark for humans, but we all missed the mark, based on Roman's 3:23. To help us, God sent His son, Jesus, who was able to hit the mark, which fulfilled God's requirement for gaining heaven. People who accept the fact that Jesus hit the mark' established by God, can now also hit mark vicariously by accepting Christ's hitting the mark. This doesn't mean the Christian doesn't sin, it means God forgives the sin because they have accepted Christ's hitting the mark. Bottom line: The Christian is still a sinner, but his sins are forgiven because Christ hit the mark for us, the Christian didn't hit the mark.
---WIVV on 7/4/17


Read These Insightful Articles About Auto Insurance


Mark E: False, man-made stories like yours are the source of false religious doctrine. Stick to Scripture and we will have a common point of reference.


---Jerry6593 on 7/4/17


David states, "You supposedly make your foundation on Paul's epistles, a foundation that's found nowhere in the Gospel of Christ."

John
You read my statement out of context. Paul's epistles are founded on the Gospel of Christ, but those who use a few verses from Paul's epistles to create their doctrines, are false.

These doctrines can easily be proven false, for they are not found anywhere in the teachings of Jesus Christ.

For example, "predestination" is the foundation of your doctrine. Where in the Gospel did Jesus teach predestination? Another favorite is the "Grace" doctrine, when Jesus didn't even use the word "Grace" anywhere in his Gospel.
---David on 7/4/17


Paul admits to lying at least twice so I don't think I'm being harsh to say he tells falsehoods for he wrote to the Corinthians that "being crafty, I deceived you with a lie" and to the Romans "if through my lie God's truth abounds to His glory, why am I still being condemned as a sinner?" Really? Does lying ever bring glory to God?
---barb on 6/17/17

Ma'am, respectfully, really?

If you read the context its so "Self Explainatory."


---john9346 on 7/4/17


This is not a real SDA joke. But it could be true.

The SDA spoke at all the funerals of his friends. Then died.

His friends came to see him. They spoke of how with no death in heaven there is no meat to eat. The SDA said to them. I already knew that and started learning to eat like I was in heaven already.

One Point only about half of SDA are pure vegetarian.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 7/4/17


Read These Insightful Articles About Holidays


Isn't sin clearly defined as the breaking of Gods Law?
---David on 6/30/17

I gave you many verses that confirm that sin is more than breaking the law. I acknowledge that we became conscious of sin through the law.

However, Jesus points out our thoughts are evil because they are a reflection of our heart, which is where the problem starts.

Sin is rebellion, lawlessness, a desire to be independent without God.

You have said "sin lives in us" but how can breaking the law be living in us?

A single act may be breaking the law but sin is a disease living within us.
---Mark_Eaton on 7/4/17


david states, "You supposedly make your foundation on Paul's epistles, a foundation that's found nowhere in the Gospel of Christ."

This is a, "False Doctrine."
All "Scripture." is, "Theopneustos." all 66 books came from the mouth of Almighty God...

See, 2 Tim 3:16-17.


---john9346 on 7/3/17


The antinomianists...are the only ones who officially claim to be above the law.
---Jerry6593 on 7/3/17

If you want to follow the law, do so. But do not judge those who do not.

I am reminded of a story I only tell to my Orthodox Jewish friends. But now I will include my SDA brothers also.

The story goes...my friend is a good SDA, always keeping the Sabbath, always keeping Kosher, dies and goes to heaven. When he arrives he sees Jesus and His disciples having a pig roast. Jesus hands my friend a plate of barbeque. My fried says no and tells Jesus he only eats kosher. To that Jesus answered, "Yes, but you plugged your ears when I said all things were clean and you could have been eating this your whole life".
---Mark_Eaton on 7/3/17


The antinomianists (primarily evangelicals and pentecostals) are the only ones who officially claim to be above the law. This they derive from a misunderstanding of Paul's use of the word "law". As an educated Pharisee, Paul used the word "law" to mean either:

1) The Ten Commandments
2) The complete writings of Moses
3) The Levitical sacrificial system
4) The carnal tendency to sin
5) The connection between sin and death,

and perhaps others.

Paul leaves it up to the scholarship of the reader to determine which "law" applies. Unfortunately, the scholarship (or lack thereof) of the antinomian is such that he uses definition 3 in place of definition 1.


---Jerry6593 on 7/3/17


Read These Insightful Articles About Health Insurance


Micha
I'm not sure. Probably closer to 30 or 40, but I think your worth it. How many doctrines think you have the wrong premise and the wrong conclusion? I would say it's "everyone" that doesn't go to your church, wouldn't you?

Christianet is an exchange of beliefs for folks who don't follow a false doctrine, so they can decide for themselves which path to follow. Though I always have hope, God will use me to turn someone like you from a false doctrine.

You supposedly make your foundation on Paul's epistles, a foundation that's found nowhere in the Gospel of Christ. Even though...Paul taught that's where we need to make our foundation.
---David on 7/2/17


/without the Law there can be no sin\
Yet:
Rom 3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets,
Rom 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law,
Rom 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Is this soapbox 4 or 5 for this subject, David?
Nonetheless, wrong premise, wrong conclusions.
---micha9344 on 7/1/17


You can cherry pick verses all you wish, but you must see that sin is more than transgression of the Law.--Mark Eaton

Mark
Cherry pick.
Read the book of Leviticus... isn't sin clearly defined as the breaking of Gods Law? Better yet, go back to the very first sin, Adams sin. Was that sin, a thought, or an act of disobedience against Gods Law?

As far as the sermon on the mount, Jesus was simply saying, your thoughts of sin, show you are a sinner, which shows....sin lives in you. (Matthew 15:19)

As far as your retranslated words, I can only assume you believe all the folks who translated the Bible got it wrong, because they translated it differently than you did. Do you have a background in Ancient Greek writing?
---David on 6/30/17


It is the Spirit of the law.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/29/17

Sin is even more than that Samuel. Sin is rooted in pride and rebellion. We rebel against God, against others, against our world, even against ourselves. Because we are empty without God and our pride will not accept that.

Sin is the lack of acknowledgment of this emptiness and our need for God.

You say that "Christians will not follow the least" but who is the least? My job as a follower of Jesus is to love my neighbor as myself. All my neighbors, near and far, believer or not, including the virtual neighbors here in this blog.

This is much more than a set of do's and don'ts.
---Mark_Eaton on 6/30/17


Read These Insightful Articles About Christian Dating


Mark. Sin is more then the letter of the law. It is the Spirit of the law.

In Mathew 5 Jesus pointed out the law don't commit adultery. Then he shows that thinking about committing adultery is a sin.

He speaks of don't murder but adds that hatred is murder.

The letter is the minimum of civilized and religious rules.

But Christians will not follow the least. They will as in Matthew 25 help those in prison. Feed the hungry.

As James put they will feed and protect the poor and helpless against the rich.

This is what we are called to do.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/29/17


If so, John and I stand corrected.
---David on 6/28/17

Sin is so much more.

You can cherry pick verses all you wish, but you must see that sin is more than transgression of the Law.

BTW, my Interlinear says that 1 John 3:4 uses the word "anomian" which is correctly translated as "lawlessness" or "against law".

Being lawless certainly means more than transgressing the Law.

And did you miss the Sermon on the Mount? Our thoughts can be lawless even though we never physically transgress the Law.

This was specifically meant for the Pharisees who never transgress the Law or according to you, never sin.
---Mark_Eaton on 6/29/17


Mark_Eaton states, "Your problem is your definition of sin."

Correct...

1 Jn 3:4 is the result of sin, but not what sin is.

Here is The Greek Word for sin John The Apostle is using in 1 Jn 3:

The word is Hamartano it means

to be without a share in
to miss the mark
to err, be mistaken
to miss or wander from the path of uprightness and honour, to do or go wrong
to wander from the law of God, violate God's law, sin

This is John's Point...
---john9346 on 6/29/17


Your problem is your definition of sin.--Mark Eaton

Mark
If so, John and I stand corrected.
(1 John 3:4) Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
---David on 6/28/17


Read These Insightful Articles About Health Treatments


If the Law was done away with, does this mean it's impossible for anyone to sin?
---David on 6/28/17

You seem to want to confuse the issue. You want to say there is no sin without the Law.

What about allowing something bad to happen? Like Acts 8:1 where Saul was consenting in Stephen's death. Was that against the Law? What about James 4:17? What about the one who eats but not from faith as in Romans 14:23?

Your problem is your definition of sin. You see it as a group of actions or inactions.

Rather, sin is a pervasive disease that stops our seeing God's reality and stops our seeing God for who He really is. Sin is about selfishness and about independence from God and God's way.
---Mark_Eaton on 6/28/17


Paul eyes were opened when he was born again. He was made to see that he was a sinner saved by Christ!!! He saw Christ as holy and himself as a sinner.---trey

Trey
But when Paul was born, he was under the Law of Moses. Which made it possible for him to sin.

But if the Law was done away with after the death of Christ, and we were born after the death of Christ, wouldn't it be impossible for us to sin/break the Law. How can we break the Law, when there is no Law to be broken? Without the Law I cannot lie, steal, commit adultery, murder... etc.

(Hebrews 7:12) says the Law was changed, which I agree. But many believe the Law was done away with, which I don't agree.
---David on 6/28/17


Therefore, ALL have been freed from sin and yet many do not know this. When we see this, we read passages like Romans 1 differently.
---Mark_Eaton


Mark
If the Law was done away with, does this mean it's impossible for anyone to sin?

Possibly, someone means he or she is not perfect and wants to be an example of honesty by saying he or she can still sin. This could be more of a scriptural reason.--Bill

Bill
If there is no Law, there can be no sin. This is why the "Were not under the Law" doctrine worries me. I'm not from Georgia, but I live here, and I find I can not do business with many Christian establishments because they will try to cheat you.
---David on 6/28/17


David,

The Apostle Paul wrote:
1Tim 1:15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am chief. (KJV)

Paul stated, "I am chief." He did not write, "I used to be chief."

Paul eyes were opened when he was born again. He was made to see that he was a sinner saved by Christ!!! He saw Christ as holy and himself as a sinner.
---trey on 6/27/17


Read These Insightful Articles About Affiliate Program


Why do people who have trusted Jesus to save them still call themselves sinners? Let each person speak for oneself, about one's reason.

Possibly, someone means he or she is not perfect and wants to be an example of honesty by saying he or she can still sin. This could be more of a scriptural reason.

But others are putting on a pseudo-gesture of honest, procrastinating the correction they need and could already have > Hebrews 12:4-11 > Philippians 2:13-16 > 1 Joh 4:17.
---Bill on 6/27/17


How do we know if we have been granted this freedom?
---David on 6/24/17

2 Cor. 5:14-15 "For the love of Christ compels us, because we judge thus: that if One died for all, then all died, and He died for all, that those who live should live no longer for themselves, but for Him who died for them and rose again"

Jesus already freed us from sin because the entire cosmos died and rose with Him (Col 1:17). And as you rightly quoted Romans 6:7, he who has died has been freed from sin.

Therefore, ALL have been freed from sin and yet many do not know this. When we see this, we read passages like Romans 1 differently.
---Mark_Eaton on 6/27/17


Romans 3:23 - For All have sinned, and come short of the gorily of God,

Ecclesiastes 7:20 - For there is not a just man on earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.
---RichardC on 6/26/17


We WERE under the Ten Commandment law...

Gal 4:5 to redeem those who WERE under the law, so that we might receive adoption as sons.

Gal 3:23 before faith came, we were confined under the law, kept under restraint until faith should be revealed.

We were constrained (regulated) by the 10 commandment law BEFORE the establishment of OUR faith in Jesus AND the "ETERNAL" Spirit of "ETERNAL God".

Hebrews 9:14 tells us of the ETERNAL divine Spirit (in direct quotes the "ETERNAL Spirit" purifies the conscience).

Have you been taught about "ETERNAL GOD" (God of Jeshurun) and the "ETERNAL COVENANT?

Many of the REAL truths of scripture and God have NEVER been TAUGHT).
---faithforfaith on 6/26/17


Read These Insightful Articles About Abortion Facts


Of course you understand that the law of liberty is the PERFECT law...AND ...it is the law that we will be judged under. We are told directly that it is how we are to speak and act.

We are told that we WERE under the ten commandment law and that is what Jesus abolished IN HIS FLESH on the cross...AND YOU IGNORE IT?

DO YOU NOW OPENLY MOCK JESUS EVEN AFTER HAVING THIS TRUTH POINTED OUT TO YOU??

YES OR NO. Decide today whether you love man or God.


Col 2:23 These have indeed an appearance of wisdom in promoting rigor of devotion
---faithforfaith on 6/24/17


Hello Faith.

The law is not done away with.

Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

If it is established it is not gone.

Romans 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

The law does not save. It leads people to Jesus.

Gal 3:24 br>
It is required to lead people to Jesus. But once we are saved. It's job is just this is wrong and that is right. It does not saved.

Romans 13:8,9 Love leads us to obey the law.

We obey because we love GOD and love our neighbor. Because we are saved. But lying, murder, following false gods are still sins.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 6/24/17


We have been adopted as SONS OF GOD (sons are not "SERVANTS" or "SLAVES" of a FATHER). The decision you have to make is....

...have you decided to make God your God your loving heavenly FATHER or are you going to have Him as a MASTER that you FEAR and treat like a celebrity?

Are you going to have a "rigor of devotion and salute Him like a soldier to a superior officer or are you going to shed tears about what He suffered on the cross? (do you truly LOVE Him?.

Gal 4:5 to redeem those who WERE under the law, so that we might receive adoption as SONS.
---faithforfaith on 6/24/17


(Romans 6:7 ) For he that is dead is freed from sin.

Faithforfaith
The "Law of Liberty" is just another way of saying we are no longer "slaves of sin", or set free of our sinful master. But to be free, to be under this Law of Liberty, isn't it true sin must die? How do we know if we have been granted this freedom?
---David on 6/24/17


Read These Insightful Articles About Acne Treatment


The Jewish sacrifices were required of the Jews for the maintenance of their sanctification but they did not not remove "SIN".

Psa 66:15 I will make an offering of bulls and goats.

Heb 10:4 For it is impossible that the blood of bulls and goats should take away sins.

The law illustrated many principles/precepts of good and proper living. God doesn't want us to be the kind of person who needs to be TOLD what to do, He wants us to be LOVERS OF GOODNESS..,we are to walk in LIBERTY (Law of Liberty, James 1:25 and 2:12) and be our own masters.

Psa 119:4 and I shall walk at liberty, for I have sought thy precepts.
Romans 2:26 his uncircumcision be regarded as circumcision?
---faithforfaith on 6/23/17


THE LAW ABOUT "SIN" was abolished and destroyed. We are to live by the law of LIBERTY.--faithforfaith

Faithforfaith
If the Law was destroyed as you say, wouldn't sin be impossible for both the believer and the non-believer?

If neither are Jews, according to your summation, no one is under the Law, correct? Do you believe it's impossible to sin? If not, how does someone sin if there is no Law?
---David on 6/23/17


Because the traditional teachings of today wrongly teach that we are JEWS. TODAY (after the crucifixion), we the faithful) are no longer JEWS, we are ADOPTED SONS of God (this is the age of ETERNITY, the JESUS DISPENSATION)>

The JUDAIC faith was for THE JEWS who had a "MESSIAH" (WE HAVE A savior).

THE LAW ABOUT "SIN" was abolished and destroyed. We are to live by the law of LIBERTY.

2Ti 1:10 who abolished death

Heb 2:14 that through death he might destroy him who has the power of death, that is, the devil,

Eph 2:15 by abolishing in his flesh the law of commandments and ordinances,


Luk 6:35, your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High
---faithforfaith on 6/22/17


Copyright© 2017 ChristiaNet®. All Rights Reserved.