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Who's The Elect

For our strict Calvinist friends:

How do you know you're among the elect?

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 ---Cluny on 8/1/17
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"There is NOTHING in Rev. 5,10 about 1000 years. Why did you tell such a falsehood?" That verse speaks of the reign of the overcomer, and where that reign takes place. The when is documented in Rev 20:4 & 6. A thousand years, as documented in Rev. 20, is a thousand years. We exist in time, the Father does not, that is what those verses you quoted mean. We must never forget that the Lord is patient, and that time is irrelevant where His patience is concerned. That's the lesson to be taken from those verses.
---joseph on 8/15/17

\\Cluny as I've stated before, A literal millennia is documented in Rev 20 a total of six times, and documented as being on earth in Rev 20:8-9>Rev 5:10\\

God gives us not one but two warnings not to understand 1000 years as being earthly ones.

One is in the Psalter. "For a thousand years in Your sight are as nothing which has passed, or as a watch in the night."

The other is in 2 Peter. "Know this: that one day with the Lord is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as a day."

There is NOTHING in Rev. 5,10 about 1000 years. Why did you tell such a falsehood?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/14/17

studying how we become or as some say were predestined to be elect. I keep bumping into scripture that says other wise. Esp. under the l of the tulip which is that of limited atonement. That Jesus only died for a certain few. Just for starters John declared about Jesus "behold the lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world." Jesus died for all but we must come into agreement through faith and trust in Jesus Christ and the finished work on the cross. Some think they have a right to be called the children of God because they were chosen before the foundation of the world. But John 1:12 says "But as many as received Him to them he gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe on His name".
---Ron on 8/11/17

Cluny as I've stated before, A literal millennia is documented in Rev 20 a total of six times, and documented as being on earth in Rev 20:8-9>Rev 5:10. The reign, or influence and control that the leader and teachers of the millennium exercise, will be over all who have never hear the gospel of Christ throughout human history. Granting them the same opportunity that He has blessed the overcomer to embrace. That's the millennia's purpose, to give them that opportunity to hear and receive the gospel, and to prepare those who died before the birth of the Christ, or never heard the gospel after He ascended, for the final deception of Satan. But even after all the instruction, there will still be those who reject it and are deceived and destroyed.
---joseph on 8/10/17

This is an epistomological argument. People can be divided into three categories:

1) The fortunate. Those who are saved (or sane, or whatever criterion you choose) and know it.
2) The unfortunate. Those who are unsaved etc. and realize this.
3) The deluded. Those who are unsaved etc. but are sufficiently deluded to not realize this.

Anyone who believes he is unsaved is clearly 2. However, anyone who firmly believes he is saved could be either 1 or 3, with no subjective way to tell the difference.

This is why there are so many different religions and cults. Many people who are 3 believe they are 1. They may have great faith, but because what they believe is wrong, it will do them no good.
---StrongAxe on 8/10/17

20 For the invisible things of Him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, EVEN HIS ETERNAL POWER AND GODHEAD so that they are without excuse...Romans 1:18. If someone is seeking God by something they have seen in nature for instance, then God will hear them and once someone is spurned onward to seek God they will continue searching if their heart is right, and God will eventually lead them to someone who can teach them about Christ. Through our own faith we can believe that God will not allow that person to perish before they hear the Gospel of Jesus Christ. (see Anna and Simeon in Luke).
---Tim on 8/10/17

God makes the Gospel available to all, its our responsibility to accept or reject
Psalm 98:2 The LORD hath made known his salvation: his righteousness hath he openly shewed in the sight of the heathen.
John 1:9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
John 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
Romans 1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them, for God hath shewed it unto them.
Titus 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
---michael_e on 8/10/17

Romans 2:11-15 explains further."For there is no respect of persons with God. For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law...For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law,these,having not the law, are a law unto themselves: Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness,and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another". If we truly believe that God is all powerful, all knowing, then our faith helps us believe that God will lead those who have not heard the gospel to someone who can teach them.
---Tim on 8/10/17

Many view those who don't hear the Gospel as being lost automatically.

But I and others when we read Romans 2. See that the Grace of GOD is extended to those who love GOD but lack knowledge. They show they love GOD and love others. But they have not heard the gospel.

GOD will judge them on their hearts. His Grace is sufficient for all.

This is my and many others understanding. Not everyone agrees.

GOD is love.
---Samuelbb7 on 8/10/17

joseph, there is no such thing as a literal earthly millennium.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/10/17

Michael E - Joseph - Gentlemen : I think you both miss the mark ! The Question ?
If a person has never heard the Word of God, How can that person be saved ? This has happen over the years - into Today ! ( If Salvation is for All ) or Gods Elect being the All ? Was it Gods plan for some not to Hear ?
---RichardC on 8/9/17

"So how can the gift of Salvation be for All? "
The millennia will be a time of teaching. "It is written in the prophets, And they shall all (everyone, everyman) be taught of God [through, I believe, those who will reign with Him as kings (leaders), and priest (teachers) during that time]. Many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob, and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem." The only people excluded from life during the millennia are those who damned themselves, in this life, by blatenly rejected the salvation offer though Jesus.
---joseph on 8/9/17

It is mans responsibility to choose.
God gave man a choice in the garden when Adam chose to rebel and suffered death. Later all but eight chose to ignore the warnings of Noah and died in a worldwide flood. The whole earth with one voice chose not God at the tower of Babel, and later God separated only one man and his family from the idolatrous world.
We are ambassadors representing God and his message of reconciliation to a majority that long ago chose not to accept him.
---michael_e on 8/9/17

It's Man's responsibility to choose ?

Romans 10:17 - So Faith comes from hearing and hearing of the word of God.

Ephesians 2:8 - For by grace ye are saved through Faith : and that not of yourselves it is a gift of God :

Ephesians 2:9 - Not of works, lest any man should boast,

In todays world is probably the best chance of hearing the Word of God, I read even today the percentage of people that have not heard or the Bible is vast, In the past, many never heard the Word , So how can the gift of Salvation be for All ?

2 Corinthians - 5:17

Romans - 8:16
---RichardC on 8/8/17

I found election to be a Bible doctrine, but Calvinism was not.
Biblical election concerns God choosing Christ to die for the sins responsible to mans account. God chose to create man. Man chose to reject God. God chose to die for man. It is now mans responsibility to choose.
---michael_e on 8/4/17

While not a Calvinist. I have found two groups in Calvinism. The older group like the Puritans saw their works and living for Jesus as proof they were among the elect.

As one Calvinist writer put it. As a follower of Christ it is my desire to live for Jesus and to not sin.

But since then there have been others. Who believe once you accept Jesus you cannot commit sins. So anything you do is okay. Even if the world thinks it is a sin.

---Samuelbb7 on 8/4/17

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\\So, I know I am elect if God is changing me to become more like Jesus. And 1 John 4:17 fits with this\\

Is God changing you? How do you know this?

How can you be certain that's it not simply your own efforts at self-improvement, which are not to be discounted in themselves?

( BTW, if God is indeed changing you, this is what in Orthodoxy we call Theosis.)

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/4/17

According to what I have found publicly presented about Calvinism, I am not a Calvinist, Cluny. But I do believe in predestination, especially how a child of God is destined to be conformed to the image of Jesus > Romans 8:29.

So, I know I am elect if God is changing me to become more like Jesus. And 1 John 4:17 fits with this >

"Love has been perfected among us in this: that we may have boldness in the day of judgment, because as He is, so are we in this world." (1 John 4:17)

Our Apostle John says God is doing this in us . . . "in this world".
---Bill on 8/4/17

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