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Healed Us By His Stripes
	I have been told that first century Christians readily accepted healing of their body but struggled with their sins being truly forgiven. In the centuries since then, the tables have been turned. We readily accept our sins being forgiven but now struggle accepting the healing of our bodies. This blog confirms that opinion. Is it because we put so much faith in medicine and so little faith in God?

Show Me The Rapture Scriptures

We touched on something last night in our Bible study that we as Christians rarely think about today. 1 Peter 4:9 "Be hospitable to one another without complaint". How often do we here and in real life, accept a fellow believer with a different understanding of things? Do we really think that we have perfect understanding of all 66 Books, every verse, every idea? If we compared theology, would anyone agree? We must all agree on THE basic question, who Jesus is, and other things of salvation. Perhaps even the Apostles creed. But beyond this, we must accept our fellow believers no matter what we disagree in.

The Hour Of Temptation

Cluny: I have read several articles on the translation of this verse and there are different views on how this verse is translated, specifically the section you are using. The NIV translated it this way "you have kept My commmandments to endure patiently". The New English Bible translates it this way "You kept My commandments and stood fast". The ISV translates it this way "because you obeyed my commands to endure". The RSV translates it "because you have kept my word of patient endurance". and the NLT trnalates it this way "because you have obeyed my command to persevere". Get the idea?

Another Great Depression Coming
	Amen Cluny! I would add that we as believers should not be in debt to someone else but if we are in debt, we need to get out of debt before the depression comes.

Show Me The Rapture Scriptures

Pastor_Jim: Did you do the work on this hoax yourself or are you relying upon the works of Dave MacPherson? Have you read McPherson's work? Do you know McPherson's intentions and the validity of his work or are you blindly following his words? Have you ever read the works of Dr. Thomas Ice? He has definitive proof that Pre-Tribulation rapture was thought and written about as early as the third century A.D. And you should know that 2 Thes. was written to dispell that church's misunderstanding about "that day" coming. Question, if the Trib. must come first, why would the Thes. church wonder if they had already missed "that day"? Should be self-explanative don't you think?

Xmas Is Same As Christmas

Alan, MarkV: I must agree with Pastor_Jim. The "holy day" of Christmas must not be related to Jesus and His birth. We would be better off accepting that Jesus was really born on the Feast of Tabernacles and celebrating it then. Changing Christmas to X-Mas or "Santa Day" would be better than what it has turned into, Happy Holidays! Although, a wise old sage once told me that Christmas is the one opportunity we have to tell the entire world about Jesus without them slamming the door in your face.

The Hour Of Temptation

Cluny: You read this incorrectly. Jesus does not say do this and I will give this to you. No, Jesus says BECAUSE you have kept the word of my patience, I will keep you from the hour of testing. What they did is in verse 8: Rev 3:8 "I know your deeds. Behold, I have put before you an open door which no one can shut, because you have a little power, and have kept My word, and have not denied My name". Kept My words, repeated again in verse 10. This is the key idea. It is similar to the phrase "He who overcomes". Do you really understand all that phrase entails what we must overcome, how we must overcome, who we must overcome? No, but we understand the meaning Jesus is intending.

The Hour Of Temptation

Mima, I believe you are trying to get me involved again in a Pre-trib rapture discussion. Cluny's response is what I encountered before. When you offer an explanation to the blog question, he offered a question on a completely unrelated subject. No answer, no counter-point, simply diversion. You have read what I posted on this subject, and you have also read what I encountered in this subject. I gave verses, passages, and explanation and all the while being called a heretic, a swine, and a spoil sport. Not once did any of them actually consider what I posted. Your assessment is correct, the hour of temptation is not local to this church but world-wide.

Belief In Dispensationism

I think this word is another denomination that is creating division within the body of Christ. Those who wish to argue on both sides need to evaluate their motivations to do so. is this arguing providing truth, is it helpful, is it inspiring belief in Christ, is it necessary, and is it kind to all (THINK). I feel that we are becoming Pharisees in this constant bickering and arguing over non-necessary things. Encourage one another. Live out the fruits of the Spirit.

Rapture Happening In My Life

MarkV, Rod4Him, Pastor_Jim: Since there is one post left, I will use it to thank each one of you for discussing this subject in a very mannerly way. As we do not see eye to eye on this subject, let us agree that Jesus is returning and that we need to be ready for His return. I like you, do not really care about escatology. My real calling is making disciples, in the 2 Tim 2:2 way. But I encourage each man that I work with to make sure of his salvation, to daily evaluate himself and to root out any hidden sin and fully embrace the Savior and all that He wants from us. I pray the same for each of you, that your walk will be strengthened, and that your joy increased by the knowledge of Him.

Rapture Happening In My Life

MarkV, Rod4Him, Pastor_Jim: I am glad you all got a good laugh at my expense. What you have failed to do is convince me in any way Pre-Trib is incorrect. What you have also failed to do is explain your own excatological views. Please tell me so I can shoot holes in them. Especially you Pastor_Jim. I told you in the last post that you read INTO verses, and I am sure you disagree. But it is plain to see that you do, otherwise how would you invent the "sealing of the martyrs" out of the sealing of the 144K. Luke 21:36 "But keep on the alert at all times, praying that you may have strength to ESCAPE all these things that are about to take place, and to stand before the Son of Man"

Space Travellers Be Raptured
	Beloved, there's nothing like "rapture". This is a false doctrine propagated by sections of the church.Read John 17:15. ---edmun5646 on 11/12/09 How about reading John 17:6 yourself. The people in that verse are the "they" and "them" of your John 17:15. Does that change your view?

Rapture Happening In My Life

PASTOR_JIM: You are reading INTO the passages in Rev 7. The 144K are natural born Jews. The 144K are the only ones sealed. This word SEALED is not used anywhere in Rev. 6 or Rev. 7 except in its association with the 144K. You cannot associate the sealing of the 144K with the great multitude in Rev 7:9. No way they are connected. They are two different groups having two different purposes. The great multitude has come out of the Tribulation resulting in praise to Jesus. The 144K are going into the Tribulation. We see this in Rev 14 where they are with Jesus on Mt. Zion.

Rapture Happening In My Life
	Rod4Him: I posted to you back a ways, three Scriptures, Dan. 12:1, 1 Thes. 1:10, and Rev. 3:10. These Scriptures do not show a Pre-trib rapture but a rapture from the "wrath to come". It is the definition of the "wrath to come" that is currently under debate. I also believe there are people who do not believe these Scriptures show any "rapture" at all.

Rapture Happening In My Life

Pastor_Jim Which of the twelve tribes are you from? As I read the sealing of the 144k in Rev. 7, I read these as Jewish, not the church, but natural born Jewish men. Very specific to the tribes. I cannot agree that this is the church. Your assessment that it does sounds like Jehovah's Witness to me. I also do not read ANYTHING about the martyrs under the throne being sealed. They are DEAD, what are they to be sealed from?

Rapture Happening In My Life

Rod4Him: You said "Rev 20:4 appears to be referring to the time of the Trib. Ok, Rev 20:5 says, This is the first resurrection. Assuming a consistency between passages and pretrib, how can this be the first? Sounds like Rev 20:5 nulifies your pretrib." Would not Jesus be the first resurrection? No, it is the first resurrection of two resurrections listed in this passage. There is no definite article on the word, so it does not say "THE first resurrection". John says it like he is counting. This is the first resurrection...this is the second resurrection... And I keep my focus on Jesus. Why else study this stuff. I do not look at Nostradmus or other mystics for truth. My eyes are only on Jesus.

Rapture Happening In My Life

MarkV: Your connection of Matt. 24 to the story of Noah is a good one, although you are seeing things a little askew. God did rescue the righteous. Noah and his family were saved from the flood. They did not go through the flood on the ground, but were saved from it. Also, the ones left in the flood are the same ones left in the Matt. 24 passage, the unrighteous. God took Noah and his family from the world and left the rest of the world to be destroyed. The same exact wording as in Matt. 24, one taken and the other left.

Rapture Happening In My Life

17th day of the second month H append to be May 21, 2011 of our Gregorian Calendar. ---ROSALIE on 11/13/09 Why would God use the Gregorian calendar? Seems to me He would use the Jewish calendar. Since the year is 5770 in the Jewish calendar, it does not fit your hypothesis. However, Orthodox Jewish rabbis do see the six days as you have seen them and expect the Messiah on the seventh day, or year 6000 in the Jewish calendar.

Rapture Happening In My Life

MarkV: What you lack, is any connection with the book of Revelation. If Jesus gave this book to us we should understand it and the other last-day passages in connection with each other. You have pointed out the magnitude of the Matt 24 passage but have not considered where it occurs in Revelation. If you look at the sixth seal (Rev 6:12-17) you will see that the sun blackens, the moon is blood, the stars fall from the sky AND the sky is split apart like a scroll was when it is rolled up. Split from side to side, east to west. Just like Matt. 24. And the whole world sees and fears God. Think of that. God is seen as having a hand in this. God magnifies himself like Eze 38:23.

Rapture Happening In My Life

Pastor_Jim: I will take these one at a time. Daniel 12. Contrary to your thought, Daniel 11 is not about the Tribulation, it is about Antiochus Ephiphanes. History is able to track AE exploits and they correspond nearly word for word. See 1 Maccabees. Daniel 12:2 talks about the resurrection. I believe you are saying that the verse corresponds to the resurrection in Rev. 20:4. I do not agree. The dead described in Rev 20:4 are clearly from the Tribulation only. These who did not take the mark and were beheaded, and did not worship the beast and were martyred. They are not the dead from 33 AD to today.