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Rapture Theory Biblical

I'd like to put my voice behind what Parisee and StevenQ and few other have already spoken about the relevancy of this topic to our daily lives. This is just one of many topics that you will find it very hard to get fruit from in your daily lives especially if you are one that is convinced that you will take part in this. If it gives you strength to stand and keep fighting, good. Just be careful that you don't find yourself jumping on topics like this to fuel your human propensity for discord and arrogance, pride and the like. Whatever part we have in Jesus, know that it is of his choosing, rest in that and keep up the good work, letting go of your worldly cares and fears and continuing to stand.

Is God's Word Sufficient

MarkV, I believe there is more life in those words than you yet see. Yes that was written for the Jews but also for our strengthening because human nature has not changed. The spirit that led the Jews to crucify Jesus while wrongly thinking they were doing God a favor now entices us to put our faith anywhere and everywhere rather than where the scriptures themselves say to put it which is in Jesus. We think by uplifting the scriptures we uplift God but we go too far and lift them above God. That same wicked spirit that fooled the first man and then the men of the 1st covenant is now intent on tricking us into lifting up the sign post but never entering the city. The sign post is true and trustworthy but it is not the city.

The Father's Knowledge

MarkV "...Christ was the Son always. He did not become the Son when He was born...." You make a compelling argument. Please don't let the natural momentum in this argument blind you from something else wrapped up in this awesome mystery. When Jesus was baptized the HS referenced Psalm 2. "You are my son, today I have become your father". That day was the day he submitted and the spirit came down on him like a dove. That day is today for us. When we submit to God, he fathers us. Don't take this as an attack on your theology. God is inviting us into a living relationship in which he fathers us and that, IMO is not about the 'parts' of God or how they relate to each other but how God intends to relate to us.

Is God's Word Sufficient
	Quentin, my copy of KJV answers 2) this way (quoting Jesus). John 5:39-40 "Search the scriptures, for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life." If KJV quotes Jesus in saying scriptures are not sufficient, why are you now saying they are? cheers

Have You Seen God Heal

Bob, my close friend had similar questions. He was a church leader at the time and somehow the church culture he was in had come to be convinced that God doesn't do that stuff anymore (you know, the bible and your faith is enough sort of thing). Despite that, he went on a trip to Pakistan, saw someone healed. He sorely repented of his unbelief. Later he prayed for a blind man to see. This is when it got weird. The blind man 'saw' that my friend had a rage in him and he prayed it be healed. My friend says he knew it was there and had repressed it most of his life, at that moment he felt it leave him. It gets even better. When my friend gets home he discovers he was healed of severe food allergies that he did not ask to be healed from.

Gifts Of The Holy Spirit Today

more_excellent_way, my central point was that it is good to compare translation because translation is a hard problem. I'd like at some point to discuss a few of the historically disputable points you made including the lineage of modern translations but lets hold off on that. Let me first say I grew up reading the KJV. Later, for years I compared it to NIV and NASB. The biggest problem I saw was 1600's english put an additional layer of complexity on the problem of just understanding what was written. I often had to explain simple things to my still KJV family and friends who couldn't parse the 'ye olde english. As for modern versions being watered down to sell, I do not know. Would you mind sharing with us some examples?

Gifts Of The Holy Spirit Today

more_excellent_way sorry I didn't respond to your post on 3/24. RSV is in fact a modern translation. By modern I just mean that the translators had available, the oldest source texts that are now known. An important reason to always compare is because translation is a tough problem. If you translate thought-for-thought then you run the danger of imparting your own ideas into the translation. OTOH, when you translate literally (RSV, NASB etc) then when the meaning of the word changes one might assume the current meaning is still applicable. Translating greek 'asebeia' is a good example. The greek means 'lack of reverence towards God, impiety, ungodliness'. Irreligion was a good literal translation, now its problematic.