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Is There Eternal Security
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Kathr, Atleast I read what you write. You apparently begin a response before you finish reading. YOur telling me about the true and wild olive branch. Ive been away and its amazing how you ignore a topic. You rattle things off. The wild olive branch is grafted in by faith and is warned that by unbelief the gentiles also would be cut off. Pauls even more direct about this because he makes a distinction of saying 'you too'. This is a individual statement not only a distinction of gentiles and jews. If your jewish good for you, its irrelevant to me. I'm southern. |
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As they thirst and hungered in the physical we do the same in the spiritual. As we beat at the air with our dead works so did they with their complacency of slaying animals for their sins.They didnt understand that GOd was going to win their victories for them as many babes dont.you think the body of christ is only made up of Joshua's.It takes time and trials and getting back up to bring out the Joshua of a believer. Its not automatic as you teach. Calvin believed it is automatic and if it isnt for one, he must be the part of the same lump of clay that was created a vessel for destruction.Calvin believe it was impossible for one to resist.Calvinists today say we recieve it by choice and thats it.As you do. |
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Yes I do, Kathr. But were not going to get on the same page when it comes to (and purify unto Himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works). I see this in a 1 then 2 process. Not all at once/immediately. Some gladly recieve redemption but as they are drawn in to holiness they draw back to a point of a hardened heart and after this there is no more sacrifice for sins. I do not make Christ look like a confused idiot that He is always changing His mind on whos saved and who loses it and then whos saved again. People draw back from the only person we have of the trinity to have fellowship with because with Him comes holines. I dont believe unbelievers can reject holiness before rejecting the cross. |
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Paul warned of this very subject. YOu believe that the promises are automatic. And that the promises for the gentiles that have been grafted in by faith have some how become more important(highminded) than what was promised to His children. Be ye not highminded but fear. For you to shall be cut off for unbelief. Yes this refers to two nations. But you ignore one the fact that we are grafted in by faith. In order to be cut off, you have to be on. We are no better than the jew. Grafted in by faith can be cut off if one continues in unbelief. You cant argue with scripture. A doctrinal view has to discredit so much regardless of which side one wants to be on. Jesus also had to go through the wilderness to be tested. |
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You rebuked someone who is hungry,for Christ. How ignorant! Because he didnt have understanding you judged him an unbeliever and rebuked him. And your proud of it! Ubelievable! You cant do this and understand that what you have from beginning to end is a gift. You rebuded him for lack of knowlege. As if he has to earn his place here like aparently you did. |
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