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Trinity Or Oneness Theology

Grace brother! ---larry on 7/8/09 There you go again calling me Brother talking "grace between brethren." Someone who denies Christ is NOT my Brother, and neither are YOU if you call them Brothers. Hope that's clear enough. This "can't we all just get along" Christianity your pushing is GARBAGE! I call mockers and heretics what they prove themselves to be, if you want to lie to them for the sake of appearances and call them brother's be my guest, but guess who's cause you're advancing. The Apostle Paul put blasphemers out of the church, I guess he was wrong too right Larry? 1Corinthians 4:21 What will ye? shall I come unto you with a rod, or in love, and in the spirit of meekness?

Is God Cruel And Mean

No Geraldine God is not cruel and mean, you see Jesus pointed out a truth in the sermon on the mount that many seem to over look. David caught it in his many sorrowful rants in the psalms as he asked why the wicked were allowed to prosper. God has loved them, and that is why Jesus can command us to perfect our love because the father has loved them, blessed them, and reached out to them all their lives. The context of the following verse comes on the heels of Jesus teaching to love all people equally. (for those who'd criticize me in this Satan was the first false teacher, and so their craft must be beaten with extreme prejudice) Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect. (Matthew 5:48)

Is The Bible Perfect
	A Bible is only as perfect as the conclusion you draw from it.

Demon Caused Diseases
	To relegate demon oppression as a cause is jumping to conclusions. Are they a factor, I would say yes.

Who Is Jesus To You

Why did Jesus have a glory before the world was? John 17:7 Why does John call Jesus the "logos" and why does he say he "was God?" John 1:1 Why does John go on to say that the same "logos" was made flesh and did dwell among us in John 1:14? Why did Jesus refer to himself as the "first and the last" in Revelation 1:11 when any good Hebrew teacher would know that God said this of himself in the Old Testament in more then one place? Why didn't Jesus keep Thomas from worshiping him when he called him "my Lord and my God?" John 20:28 Jesus deniers please explain these things, I have plenty more, you got some splaining to do Lucy!

Trinity Or Oneness Theology

"Blasphemy against HolySpirit 'will not be forgiven', but will when speaking against 'the Son of Man'. Thus, Jesus & HS are NOT 'equal'." That's some shoddy logic bub. If not equal why did Jesus say that if the same honor is not given to him that is given the Father that the Father wasn't honored? That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him. John 5:23 even as they honour the Father. What does that mean? It means (kathos) in the same manner or proportion. What manner do we honor the father? As creator and originator of all things.

Trinity Or Oneness Theology
	Larry anybody who denies Christ his proper place of honor is not a Christian. Jesus said it himself. (John 5:23) And if you're calling these heretics Brothers once again (as the last time) I have to tell you you're no Brother of mine.

Trinity Or Oneness Theology

If you Jesus deniers had as much diligence to answer simple questions as you do to be mockers we wouldn't even be having this disagreement right now. The last time we had this discussion I gave you questions and you never answered them in a satisfactory manner. Not one of you. (David scott, and 1st Cliff) The post expired with objections unbeaten and uncontested. In grade you got and F, you didn't try. You failed to explain how Jesus achieved the glory of God when God has said he would not give his glory to another. Stay on the turnip truck Cliff, you might be a Christian someday. You deny Christ and choose the safety of you're denial, but the time in which you may call that a safe place will pass away. You will mourn when you see him.

Trinity Or Oneness Theology

"All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" To sin is to fall short of the glory of God. 1)Yes/No (if no why?) Jesus was sinless? 2) Yes/No (if no why?) If yes Jesus then achieved the glory of God? 3) Yes/NO (if no why?) God said his glory he would not give to another (Isaiah 42:8) and that his word doesn't return void (Is. 55:11) Why has God allowed the scripture to be broken, and why should I trust your God who can't keep his words? Why was Jesus permitted to encroach God's glory and seize it for himself? Why did he speak of a prexistent glory "before the world was," in John 17:7?

Trinity Or Oneness Theology

Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts, I am the first, and I am the last, and beside me there is no God. Isaiah 44:6 1.) Why do two speak with one voice claiming to be one God? Both are claiming to be the first and the last why is this? 2.) If not Jesus who is the Lord's redeemer, "the Lord of Hosts?" 3.) Why did Jesus use this Old Testament saying of God about himself in Revelation 1:11? "the first and the last?" He says it again in Isaiah 48:12

Trinity Or Oneness Theology

Come ye near unto me, hear ye this, I have not spoken in secret from the beginning, from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me. Isaiah 48:16 1.) Who is speaking in this verse God or somebody else? 2.) Why is God saying "the Lord God, and his Spirit has sent him?" 3.) Why does God need to send himself? 4.) Where did God send himself and for what purpose?

Who Is Jesus To You
	I take the testimony of the Apostles as it confirms what I've always known, Jesus is the maker of all: "For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist." Colossians 1:16-17

Trinity Or Oneness Theology

point out the "original" reference to the trinity from the OT's first 4,000 years of history! NO PROBLEM! Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven, Genesis 19:24 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts, I am the first, and I am the last, and beside me there is no God. Isaiah 44:6 Come ye near unto me, hear ye this, I have not spoken in secret from the beginning, from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me. Isaiah 48:16 Just a few Cliff, there's more if you're willing to look. The Genesis creation account uses a plural to describe God "Elohim."

What Is The New Covenant

The law is not the basis of the agreement, the agreement is by faith. The law was satisfied, and the Bible says that by the deeds of the law shall no flesh be justified in his sight. If you think the new covenant is according to law you whiffed. A person is "justified" by Jesus Christ, there's nothing left for a believer to fulfill. Our good works are preordained by God (Eph 2:10) and if that's the case we can't even take credit for them because we were led to them, and God constructed the time and circumstance, "that we should walk in them." It's rank humanism to think for even a second that anything we do apart from what he's led us to do will please him, and that includes being religious about commandments.

Trinity Or Oneness Theology

Ya know, it doesn't matter how many counterfeit trinities their were, if anything it lends credence to a Trinitarian Godhead because the Spirit of Anti-Christ has been producing false Gods from the lie till now. Oh and what a surprise many gods were three in one! The word Anti-Christ means in place of or against Christ. Makes plenty of sense that this is what the enemy would do, copy the original. God came as a dove, spake from Heaven, and got baptized in the Jordan all at the same time. It's evidence of a God appearing in three manifestations at once. See Matthew 3:16-17 Can you imagine if that happened at your baptism, There's a reason it happened at his. No ordinary man lives a sinless life for 33 years.

What Is The New Covenant

Well it didn't alter the substance of what was agreed upon, it just altered who provides it. If it's provided then no requirement can be added. The currency to complete the transaction is faith. You enter by faith, and stay in Christ. The part you and I will never agree upon are the Ten Commandments. The problem in my estimation is that you can't see this. A person can keep the ten commands to the letter and still have a heart filled with wickedness. A person filled with God's Spirit needs no command, he's already agreed with the one who's chosen to carry and change him, and he loves what he's been shown so he does it. Only one of these can please God, and it's the one Jesus did. If what you doesn't even please God who's it for?

Trinity Or Oneness Theology

Just because you don't understand something doesn't mean it's not true. For years I didn't understand algebra but it had right and wrong answers that everybody got. In adulthood I did the same thing with the God of the Bible, I couldn't understand so I didn't believe. When I met Jesus Christ spiritually no one had to explain to me who he was, I knew it just as a small child would. You men who deny his deity have made his identity about what you understand and not what he has plainly shown you. There's a costly price for this.

My Family Is In Hell

No Eric, you'd see things from God's perspective fully at last. You'd understand what a slap in the face each and every one has dealt God throughout their lifetimes all the times he reached down to soften their heart and remake them in his image would be plain to you, and there and then you'd understand his judgments are just. For nothing is hidden that will not be revealed, and nothing concealed that will not be made known and brought to light. Luke 8:17

What Is The New Covenant

But many claim that rather than merely a new agreement, the New Covenant also altered the substance of the thing being agreed upon - the Law itself. What are your thoughts and why? ---jerry6593 on 7/5/09 The law is not the basis of the agreement. If it were still the fullness of what the agreement entailed we'd still have to keep it all to the letter. God was never satisfied with a human's ability to keep commands, and so kept them all for us in Christ. Take a soda can, when it's filled and sealed nothing can be added to it anymore. We go on adding works as if it effects our standing with God. No, the foundation is already laid, we can store up good works now. If you believe keeping commands is good works be my guest.