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How Did God Make Life

'On what basis (Scripture, Grammar or logic) do you base your claim that the Israelites six days are of a different length than God's six days of creation?' Warwick 11/16 Because Moses, the writer of both Genesis and Exodus 20, didn't believe a 'day' with God to be literally 24hrs. Psalms 90:4, Moses writes- "For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday..." God instructed the Israelites to pattern their week on His creative week. God is 'outside time' (to quote Warwick). The Israelites knew a 'day' to God can be longer than 24hrs but they would take their day to mean from evening to evening. Despite what Warwick claims, he is unable to discerning the difference between Gods time and that of humans.

How Did God Make Life

You wrote 'If God's creative day is 24hrs, and God created everything in 144 hours, then God is not outside time.' Warwick 11/15 I wrote this to show the stupidity of Warwick's argumentation. Warwick writes- 'God is outside of time'(11/14), and yet he insists God created everything in 144 hours. Warwick also said 'God doesn't have days, weeks, months or years.' But according to Warwick, God does have hours! 144hrs to create everything. 'God cannot be both eternal and have days of any length.'(Warwick 11/14) By his own admission therefore, because Warwick believes God is bound to days of 24hrs, Warwick must believe God is not eternal. Warwick is full of confused contradictions & cannot be taken seriously.

How Did God Make Life

"obviously you believe the term 'evening and morning' means the day has ended whereas God says they are the two components of a 24hr day" Warwick 11/14. Where does God say this? Where does God say that the expression 'evening and morning' are the two components of a 24hr day? God does not say this at all. This is an attempt to promote scriptural lies. The fundamentalist is trying to add expressions to the Bible. This is exactly what happens to Religious Fundamentalists. I see it time and again. When fundamentalists are faced with clear scriptural truth, they resort to lies to push their doctrines.

How Did God Make Life

Moses wrote- 'For a thousand years are in your eyes but as yesterday...' Psalms.90:4 Peter also didn't believe 'one day' with God to be 24hrs long-2.Pe.3:8 King David wrote under inspiration that 'God's rest' period (the 7th day) was still running in his day,Psalms.95:11 Paul also wrote that 'God's rest' was still running in his day too,Heb.4:8,9. Warwick tries to justify his belief that God's day is 24hrs long by attempting to cite scriptural evidence showing 'day' is always 24hrs. (11/14) May be the scriptures he's looking at do. But do they apply to God, or to man in the references he (doesn't) provide(s)? Faithful Biblical characters cited above show that 'a day' or 'one day' WITH GOD is not a 24hr period.

Tricks Of The Devil
	What are the tricks of the Devil? The greatest trick Satan has pulled out of his sordid hat is the trinity doctrine.

How Did God Make Life

Warwick says God is "outside time". (11/14) But I thought Warwick believes God's creative day is 24hrs? That's what he's been saying all the time, isn't it? If God's creative day is 24hrs, and God created everything in 144 hours, then God is not outside time. Again, I believe Warwick simply doesn't know what he is talking about. Either that or he isn't thinking whilst he is typing, because he is constantly contradicting himself. Yes, I agree, God does not have hours, days, weeks, months or years. So why does Warwick continue to insist that God created everything in six, 24 hour periods? Moses didn't believe God's 'day' to be 24hrs. Neither did Peter, nor King David nor the Apostle Paul.

How Did God Make Life

"Psalm 90:4-6 compares Gods eternality with man's time scale. God cannot be both eternal and have days of any length..." Warwick 11/14 This is precisely Warwick's problem! Warwick says 'God cannot be both eternal and have days of any length'. But Warwick continues to insist that God DOES put a length on his day- "a creative day must be 24hrs long", rants Warwick. So therefore, according to Warwick's own reasoning, as God cannot be 'both eternal and have days of any length', Warwick must therefore believe God is NOT eternal. God is not eternal because God's days are 24hrs long, so reasons Warwick. Warwick and his fallacious fundamentalist reasoning is both dangerous and deceptive.

How Did God Make Life

The expression 'there came to be evening and morning' concluding each of the 6 creative days is significant. Fundamentalists will try to explain this as meaning 24hrs. They propound crazy, non-sensical explanations-ie Warwick 11/13. If we take the fundamentalist view & consider the expression 'evening & morning' literally, then it would only be 12hrs long. Surely if God meant 24hrs, he would have said 'there came to be evening and there came to be another evening'. But God wasn't discussing the length of a creative day. Rather, in the evening time, things may not be so discernable, as at the start of Gods creative activity. When Gods works are completed and all is revealed, it 'dawns' on everyone what God purposed.Pr.4:18.

How Did God Make Life

I never said Peter was discussing creation when he wrote 2 Peter 3:8. BUT, as he was writing under inspiration, it tells us a lot about how God thinks of time in relation to the human experience of time. 2 Peter 3:8 also puts to bed the claim that "day" accompanied with a number, (as in "one day") is somehow always 24hrs long in scriptural terms. More significantly however, is that Peter is in agreement with Moses who first indicated that 'a day' is with God as a thousand years, when Moses gave praise to God as Creator at Psalms 90:1-4. I wonder whether Peter had Ps.90:4 in mind when he wrote 2Pe.3:8.

How Did God Make Life

I'm told I don't believe the 7th day began or ended. Warwick is either unable to read and understand my previous posts or his fundamentalist thinking prevents him from considering any alternative other than his own. The 7th day began, that's without question, Gen.2:1-3 confirms this. What the scriptures don't say is that the 7th day has ended YET. Rather, the scriptures reveal Gods 'rest' is still running. Gods 'rest' was running in David's day.Ps.95:11. It was running in Paul's day.Heb.4:8,9. And nowhere is the concluding expression 'evening and morning' found. Wasn't the Jewish day from evening to evening? Evening to morning is not a 24 hr period. I believe Warwick doesn't quite know what he's talking about.

How Did God Make Life

Were the 6 creative days 24hrs long as fundamentalists believe? "...the 6 days of creation are 6 days, as we live them..." Warwick 11/12 I disagree. Psalms 90:1-4 is an inspired song praising the creative acts of God which interestingly was penned by Moses himself, the one who under inspiration wrote the creation account in Genesis. After relating how God brought 'mountains to birth', and how the 'earth was formed', Moses wrote at Ps.90:4- "For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past..." (KJ) "ONE day is with the Lord as a thousand years..." 2 Peter 3:8. I would rather take the view of Moses and the Apostle Peter than short sighted fundamentalists.

How Did God Make Life

(If the 7th day is still going because it lacks 'evening and morning' then by the same reasoning it never began). Warwick 11/12 What reasoning is this? If the previous 6 creative days END with 'evening & morning', why does Warwick think the 7th day never began? "Today hasn't started yet because we haven't reached the end"! How bizarre! Gods 7th day of rest began because He said it began, Gen.2:1-3. What God doesn't say is that the 7th day ended. Remember, each of the previous 6 creative days CONCLUDE with the expression 'there came to be evening & morning'. They didn't start with this expression. Paul said 'Gods rest' was still running in his day, Heb.4:9,10, some 4000 yrs after Ge.2:1-3.

How Did God Make Life

'Since God rested on the 7th day, does that mean He is still resting?' AlanUK 11/11. Yes. God has been resting from creative works of the sort described in Genesis chapters one and two. Coming back to Genesis 2:4, the heavens and the physical planet earth were created before the 6 creative days began- Genesis 1:1. The creation of planet earth, whenever that happened was before the start of the 6 creative days. It is a misunderstanding to conclude that planet earth was created sometime during the 6 creative days. The 6 creative "days" therefore, involve the creative acts of God in preparing the already-existing earth for human habitation, and not the creation of the earth itself.

How Did God Make Life

At Genesis 2:4, God created the heavens and the earth in a "day". That "day" is itself divided into 6 further "days". The 7th day is still running, as God has yet to declare it "good" to correspond with the previous 6. His declaration, 'it came to be evening & morning...' has not yet been said regarding the 7th day, a declaration of which will occur at its conclusion. Paul at Hebrews 4:9 confirms the 7th day was still running in his day. The Israelites were instructed at Exodus 20 to pattern their working week on God's creative week. Not that the 7th day would go on indefinitely. God's 7th day will eventually come to a conclusion under the 'Lord of the Sabbath', Christ. (Mt.12:8)

Is Christmas Birth Of Jesus

Was Zechariah a High Priest or deputizing at Atonement Day, as Cluny and Eloy assert? According to Luke 1:8,9 Zechariah was "acting as priest in the assignment of his division before God... IT BECAME HIS TURN to offer incense when he entered into the sanctuary..." So now according to Cluny and Eloy, the priests "took turns" to officiate at Atonement Day! Any faithful bible student will immediately see the farcical nature of Cluny and Eloy's erroneous reasoning. Zechariah went into the 'Holy', stood by the 'altar of incense', saw & spoke to the angel at the 'right side of the incense altar', and came out. He didn't enter the 'Most Holy'. This happened in early July, 15mths before Jesus' birth.

Is Christmas Birth Of Jesus

Thank you Pastor Jim for reminding us that it was Annas who was serving as High Priest at the time Zechariah was visited by the angel at Luke 1:8-17. If it was Atonement Day, Annas would have officiated as has been rightly pointed out. Nowhere in Luke's account of Zechariah's encounter with the angel in the sanctuary (15mths before Jesus' birth) does it mention Atonement Day or if he was somehow deputizing for Annas.

Is Christmas Birth Of Jesus

Eloy believes Zechariah was High Priest? He must do if he believes Zechariah was officiating Atonement Day services. But this isn't true. Zechariah was never a Hi.Priest, and he wasn't engaged in Atonement Day.Lu.1:8 Zechariah didn't enter the 'Most Holy'. He entered 'the sanctuary' (the 'Holy') "to offer incense". The 'Holy' is where the altar of incense is located.Lu.1:9 Eloy's calculations are thus hopelessly erroneous and inaccurate. Zechariah was serving in the priestly 'Division of Abijah', one of the 24 priestly divisions formed in David's time. The 'Div.of Abijah' was the 8th.(1Chron.24:10) Zechariah was in the 2nd round of the 8th course, about early July- 6 months before Mary's conception of Jesus.

Is Christmas Birth Of Jesus

Jesus was 6 months younger than John the Baptist. We know this from Luke 1:36 when Mary, just after being 'overshadowed' by HS, visited Elizabeth in her 6 month pregnancy with John. Jesus' conception in Mary's womb was therefore 6 months after Zechariah (John's father) was told that Elizabeth will give birth to John. Lu.1:11-13 Zechariah was serving as Priest at the time of the angel's visit, as Lu.1:5 reports-'of the division of ABIJAH'. The point being is that, according to scripture, Jesus was born 15mths after 'the division of Abijah'(6mths+9mths). The scriptures thus put Jesus' birth at the end of Sept, beginning of October. 25 December has never been 'christian'. It is the celebration of the Roman Saturnalia.

What Are Some False Traditions

Non-biblical doctrines: The trinity (invented by Egyptians and used extensively in Babylon as triadic gods, and rearranged by Greek philosophers Plato & Philo into the '3 in 1' concepts seen in the RCC and its anglican sects) Mary mother of God (a trinity doctrine spin off. Mother goddess worship again springs from Babylon & copied by 'Babylon the Great'- Rev.18:2,4) Immortality of the soul (Eccs.9:5, Eze.18:4, Acts.24:15) Hellfire (Jeremiah 7:31, Eze.18:4, Romans 6:7) These teachings are unscriptural and form the bedrock foundations propping up 'Babylon the Great'.

Days In The Creation

So,God's 'rest' at Heb.4 is Lee's exegetical way of explaining 'Christ's presence'. ('the rest is not a day, but the presence of Christ'- Lee, 8/28/09) Where in Hebrews 4 is 'the presence of Christ' mentioned? This is pure exegesis. Of Course, those who believe and 'exercise faith' enter 'God's rest'(Heb.4:3- doing God's will taking 1st place- 4:9) But, Paul said there 'remains for some to enter into it (God's rest)' by listening and obeying the Good News of the Kingdom, 4:2. Paul shows God's 7th day of rest was running in King David's day(4:5) and also in his day(4:9). Paul is not encouraging Christians to observe the Jewish Sabbath, but that there 'remains a Sabbath resting for the people of God'.(4:9)