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Does God Draw People
	John 4:23 "the hour is coming and now is when the true worshippers will worship the Father in Spirit and truth, for the Father is seeking such to worship Him." Who was speaking here?

Does God Draw People

Is there a hierarchy here? The Holy Spirit convicts people of sin. Sounds like He too, has a role in bringing men to their Savior, doesn't He? ---Donna66 on 11/17/09 Yes Donna66, the Holy Spirit does convict of sin. The question above, when Jesus was on earth the Father did bring to Jesus his Apostles and desciples. No cross here. Now read John 12:23-32 John 8:32 and John 3:14-17 All of the Above are talking about lifting up of Jesus RE: The CROSS. The preaching of the Cross is the Power of God unto Salvation. Donna66, I can't tell you how many NT scriptures say we worship/Glorify/Praise God THROUGH our Lord Jesus Christ. It was God who sent His Son. Praise God through Jesus Christ our Lord!!

Did Jesus Break The Ten

Nana, AFTER Paul's salvation he DIED to the LAW and served in newness of SPIRIT, bringing forth the FRUIT of Righteousness, not the LAW of Righteousness. Romans 7:5For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death. 6But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held, that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter. Philippians 1:11 Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God. Ephesians 5:9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth,)

Did Jesus Break The Ten

"TRUE CHRISTIANS overcoming sin is a life long process" Seems to be a very good definition of what works is, that is being involved in works either to gain salvation are to retain salvation!!! ---mima on 11/17/09 Samuel, Gal 2:21 "for if righteousness comes by keeping the Law, Christ died in vain". Speaking to the Galatians AFTER they were saved, rebuking going back under the Law after salvation. Paul said they fell from Grace. Jesus said A NEW Commandment I give you. Keeping the LAW/commandments won't help you OVERCOME SIN. If it did..what need then for the CROSS? I die daily. So the I that keeps the Law was crucified with Christ..Gal 2:20..no longer I but Christ. ##Romans 7.

Does God Draw People

John 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me. I believe the Father drawing to Jesus was while Jesus was on earth. HOWEVER, since Jesus has died and rose again, for the forgiveness of sin....It is the Preaching of the Cross THE GOSPEL that draw man TO THE FATHER through Jesus Christ.John 12:32 To say that today the Fahter drawing you to Jesus seems odd, since no one can even come to the Father or the Father overstepping the Son and approach man. We don't worship Jesus we worship God through Jesus.

Did Jesus Break The Ten

Why is it that legalistic Christians always leave out the blood?---JackB on 11/16/09 Legalistic Christians?? No such thing. Apostates who deny the Blood also hate David's God too. David said..Blessed is the man who's sins are forgiven...where God will not impute sin.. Romans 4. Who are "In Isaac will thy seed be called? Galatians? The seed is Christ...and as Isaac was laid on the alter, a TYPE of Christ, Abraham KNEW God would raise him from the dead, Hebrews 11 Abraham saw in a vision the death and resurrection of Christ. Abraham was strong in faith...Abraham's faith was in Christ...Abraham KNEW without the shedding of blood there was no forgiveness of sin. ABEL even KNEW this!!

Is Faith Before Belief
	John 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

Did Jesus Break The Ten

to believe your LIE then one must IGNORE CHRISTS VERY OWN WORDS which say if you LOVE ME KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS" Rhonda on 11/16/09 Amen Rhonda! ---Nana on 11/16/09 Rhonda, and Nana, you don't have to love Jesus Christ to keep the commandments. Paul certainly felt he was blameless concerning the Commandments yet did not LOVE Jesus Christ. In fact he murdered anyone who did. Read his testimony in Philippians 3.

Is God's Grace For All
	Linda, your last two posts were EXCELLENT!!! AMEN!!

Is Faith Before Belief

Faith is believing in the promises of God. The Promises of God are in scripture. God's WORD. The Promises of God are in the Gospel..God's word. The word of God is LIVING and POWERFUL and sharper than a two edge sword, piercing between soul and spirit. It pierces our conscience. EVERY human has a God Given conscience. Adam and Eve KNEW Good and EVIL ...an awakened conscience between right and wrong, good and evil...Not just evil!!(AFTER they fell). Is God's word only given to a select few? Not according to scripture. God's WORD is His Word to ALL Mankind! Every soul will stand before GOD and be judged by His word...EVERY WORD!!!

Is God's Grace For All

---kathr4453 on 11/13/09 your wonderful answer brings joy to my heart. Let us think Almighty God for his mercy and grace!!!! ---mima on 11/13/09 Oh Mima, isn't that verse wonderful. And another one is..HIS Mercy is NEW everyday. Anyone can say...Be Merciful to me a sinner! ANYONE, and YES God will be merciful. THAT person has a repentant heart! That's the heart God is looking for! Have a great Weekend!! It's going to be beautiful here. AND I'm gonna be a Granny in approx 2 weeks. OH YES!!!

Is God's Grace For All

How can someone think they can be in CHrist before they were even created in the flesh? ---michelle on 11/13/09 Absolutely Michelle. How can anyone believe they were in Christ before Christ came in the flesh? They can't. But they believe they were in the eternal son already before the foundation of the world. This is why MarkV is so adamant that the eternal son existed before the foundation of the world. Without that, he would be totally lost in his election theory. He can't understand that the begotten Son was through the overshaddowing of the Holy Spirit with Mary, who died and rose again and it is in THAT SON ONLY that we are SAVED. There are many Jesus's out there. But only Jesus Christ of scripture can save you.

Did God Create Evil

I choose the second. Since I do not like the LDS believe that GOD is responsible for sin. ---Samuel on 11/13/09 Samuel, Yes they BOTH believe this. LDS grew out of Calvinism. The reason is because Smith grew up with Calvinists in MASS. It was actually Calvinists that left Calvinism and went with Joseph Smith. So much for Election!! Calvin believed he was regenerated at his infant baptism. He believed that to his dying day. He actually has no personal testimony of ever being Born Again after receiving Christ. Joseph Smith had a brother that died in infancy. Joseph made up the doctrine of baptizing for the dead BECAUSE of his bitterness being told his brother was in HELL because he wasn't baptized as an infant.

Is Faith Before Belief
	FAITH IS BELIEF!!! Read Romans 4

Did God Create Evil

part 2 please print. Samuel and others. There are more parallels between LDS and Calvinists. 1. They both believe they pre-existed before the foundation of the world. 2. They both put Jesus as a lesser god..His eternal son. LDS believe He was a son, but not the only son, and not GOD. 3. Calvinists came to America believing they were God's New Chosen people, replacing Israel with themselves 4. LDS believe THEY are God's New Chosen People replacing Israel with themselves.. 5. Both talk about the City on the Hill, both have that BIG EYE staring down from the ceiling. It's easy to see where Joseph got his ideas...and twisted those he didn't like.

For Many Are Called

Why don't you make up your mind? Here you have the truth, (believe in Christ) before regeneration. On the other, you have Regeneration in order to have faith to be saved. ---MarkV. on 11/13/09 Miche NEVER said you must be BORN AGAIN FIRST to be saved. YOU'RE twisting her words!!! We are SAVED By his Risen Life. It's HIS life in us...that has QUICKENED us...regeneration/Born Again. Jesus does not give LIFE to anyone before they are justified. Regeneration is your BORN AGAIN experience. No one is regenerated FIRST before being Justified. No one is Justified first before repenting and receiving God's Mercy and Pardon. It's Justification in His Blood first that results in eternal life.

Did God Create Evil

You really need to go back and re-read the first 3 chapters of Genesis. And yes you do too cherry pick. You don't use one scripture to witness the other. You choose and accept only the ones that you think back your beliefs. ---miche3754 on 11/13/09 AMEN miche....MarkV uses God's word to CLUB people over the head. I wonder what spiritual gift that is in building up the Church..Exhortation maybe? Hardly. I really don't think MarkV is a man either. I think she is Lisa who was thrown off with other calvinists years ago who kept insulting CN members. She fights like a Junior High/High School mean girl! Always throwing those below the belt comments...such arrogance. So Catty! No other MAN conversates as Lisa/Markv does!

Life Possible Without God

You are not using the armor of God, because you need to learn who the God of Scripture really is and you still don't recognize Him. Unless you know Him, your armor is made out of straw. Every Christian should be prepared, but with the right armor. This is not to say you will not ever know Him for who He really is, it is to say that at this time you don't. ---MarkV. on 11/13/09 MarkV, who are YOU to make such statements degrading/undermining chip chip chipping away at one's faith in God and Christ. THAT is so of satan...always ACCUSING the brethren that they are not all that. No, your comments are's mean...THEIR PLAIN EVIL!!!!

Change Before Salvation

MarkV I have no Idea what you're talking about..except one of your STUNTS twisting and saying someone said something they didn't say. It's getting OLD and boring MarkV. The question and conversation is/was....WHO is the WORD in the OT. You said He was the eternal son, placing Him in a lower position than GOD. Sons are either Begotten or created. SO, was the eternal son in the OT begotten or created? He couldn't have been begotten in the OT so he must have been created. AND THAT is why we have so many CULTS who do not believe in the deity of Christ. And why ask Trav, who believes others besides Adam and Ever were created and the flood was not the whole world? Yes MarkV ask Trav. Only Cults confer with one another for answers!!!

Change Before Salvation

Mankind's knowledge about God increased in stages through Bible History according to God's will, at times of His choosing : "And God said to Moses, "I am The Lord. I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, as God Almighty, but by My Name The Lord I did not make Myself known to them." (Exodus 6:2-3 ) It was the Logos/Jesus Who revealed The Father's existence when He revealed His Own existence. For that, Jesus was fiercely rejected and accused of blasphemy by the religious authorities of His day when He rightfully claimed to be the Son of God because they were not aware that God exists as The Father and The Word/Logos.