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God Allows Pain And Suffering
	Atheist, As a Christian let me apologise for my nutty relation who sees it better to gloat and throw verse after verse at you. I asked how many verses Jesus talked about hell in a literal manner. No one answered. In fact, as I recall, there are none. I don't read Jesus' words on hell as being a literal place of fire etc. Hell is a place where our Creator does not exist.

God Allows Pain And Suffering
	Can anyone tell me how many verses there are in which Jesus spoke non-metaphorically about Hell, to people other than the religious hierarchy?

Evidence Of 6 Day Creation

Lee said: "What is a real chuckle is that the antiscientific types cannot refute the argument that may indeed allow for some evolutionary theories." So, you want to squeeze your pagan evolutionary theories into Scripture. Well, we're so glad we've got that sorted out. Question, Lee: From your above statement I can conclude that you believe that if you don't believe in evolution and that Scripture is against it then you can't have earned degrees in science?

Trinity Or Oneness Theology

"Ranking Him among things originated...Arius and his fellows revolted from the truth, and used, when they commenced this heresy, to go about with dishonest phrases which they had got together...In such language do the disgraceful men sport and revel, and liken God to men, pretending to be Christians, but changing God's glory "unto an image made like to corruptible men." (Athanasius, 'Oratory about Arius') The more things change, the more they don't!

Trinity Or Oneness Theology
	David, I see you race to conceal the JW belief that Jesus was once an angel called Michael by throwing in a red herring. Both Trinitarians and JWs believe that Jesus created the cosmos. The difference is that for you guys Jesus is a created creature himself. Thus, once an angel, a creature, then, somehow, a created creator, then Jesus. What nonsense!

Trinity Or Oneness Theology

From David's and Scott's incessant charge of orthodox Trinitarian Christianity being influenced by Plato, it's obvious neither have a degree in philosophy or have even read Plato's works. Plato made no such use of the concept. On the contrary, it's their belief that Jesus was once an angel and that this angel was in fact the creator which is the truly Plato-inspired structure. David's Jehovah's Witness pushes this bizarre "theology". This belief system was stolen from Philo by the JWs. Philo was a 1st century Jew influenced greatly by Plato. Don't let David and Scott deceive you with scare tales of Plato. It's they who are the borrowers of Plato with their belief that Jesus was formally an angel who created the cosmos.

Trinity Or Oneness Theology
	Non-trinitarians like David and Scott have this bizarre Platonist/pagan philosophy, which takes its lead from Philo, that the Creator created an angel, later called Jesus, who actually created the cosmos. This in effect says that the Creator is a creature. What Platonic nonsense!

Which Jesus Is Correct

David, What, Moses was only on Mt Sinai once? You are so zealous to make sure nothing interferes with your Watchtower theology you'll even believe something that's not even in the text. Where in Exodus 24 does it mention an Angel? Exodus 24, written by Moses, says, quote, "And they saw the God of Israel." Re Eden, Adam and Eve HEARD the sound of YHWH WALKING. Only animals and humans can walk. And of course, Jesus can too. Let's deal with the text as it is, eh? And David, let's not play foot-loose-and-fancy-free with God's Word!

Which Jesus Is Correct

"For if you believed Moses, you'd believe me, for he wrote about me. But if you don't believe his writings, how will you believe my words?" (John 5:46-47) Moses wrote: "And Adam and Eve heard the sound of YHWH God walking in the garden." (Genesis 3:8) "Then Moses went up, also Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu, and seventy elders of Israel, and they saw the God of IsraelSo they saw God...Then YHWH said to Moses" (Ex 24:9-12) Is it possible to see the Father? No! Is it possible to see Jesus? Yes. Now who was walking in the garden and whom did Moses see? YHWH. Logically Jesus, the Son of God, must be YHWH and "all should honour the Son just as the Father."

War With Islam

Donna, You should read my argument a little more closely. I never said that Muslims don't CLAIM to have a history, I've said that there is no written history that actually connects Ishmael to Islam. The claim there is history without producing the evidence is a very hollow one. The onus of proof is on anyone who claims there is documentation connecting Ishmael to Islam. If no one can produce evidence, please, please hold your peace.

War With Islam

Donna, There is no written history that connects these names and what occurred more than 2000 years later i.e. AD 600. And that's my point: if there is none, there is none. Muslims have written their history back into the Bible's history but haven't supplied any proof. The immediate ancestors of the first Muslims were, for the most part, illiterate, tent-dwellers. As such, they didn't leave books on their lives. Who knows they came from? I don't. They don't. You don't.