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Is Harold Camping Correct

I notice it is demanded that I respond to selective Bible verses, and I do so. Yet when I post Bible verses, they are ignored, and the response to God's Word is an attack on a Bible teacher named Harold Camping who has been world renoun by thousands of churches for decades of sound Bible teaching. But when the truth of God threatens to expose the den of thieves, their true nature shows. Matt 21:13 May God bless us with His mercy.

Is Harold Camping Correct
	I would advise many of you to stop blaspheming by suggesting God knows things that Christ didn't even though they are one and the same. "I and my father are one." -John 10:30 God has made it exceptionally clear in His Word that the end He speaks of is in our year 2011. May God have mercy.

Is Harold Camping Correct

Jim, I was referring to the words you inserted in the middle of verse 13: "...(WISE AND UNWISE)..." Your opinion is not the Word of God, my friend. Laurie, you said because Camping predicted 1994, he is a false prophet. (He actually taught it was a very likely possibility, not a certainty). But Jonah taught 40 days to destruction and it didn't happen. So by your own definition, Jonah was a false prophet. Again, I'm not following Camping any more than you are following Jim or Marc. Camping and I, and many others, are following the Bible. And from what Jim is saying now, he apparently agrees that he should have taken Camping's advice and never joined any kind of separatist cult that follows Camping or anyone else.

Is Harold Camping Correct

Laurie, 1. I don't "follow" Camping. 2. I never said anyone rebelled against God by leaving any teaching. 3. I didn't accuse Jonah of false prophecy. I was illustrating how you are accusing Jonah of false prophecy. 4. I never said I was offended by anyone who questions Camping as I question and disagree with him on certain things. 5. I never said anything about certain people willing to obey Camping. Everything in your post was false. If you can't debate on what I am actually saying, it would be better to opt out than to lie on a written forum where everything is documented.

Is Harold Camping Correct

Laurie, please read more carefully so you dont falsely accuse my posts. I didnt say Jim rebelled by leaving Camping. I said he rebelled by joining a commune devoted to Camping. I think by separating himself from society, he disobeyed Gods command to shine the light of the Gospel on the world and to sound the warning. We dont accomplish this by hiding away and devoting ourselves to a teacher as Jim did with Camping. Even Camping thinks this kind of behavior is ludicrous. Im not faulting Jim for the sin, mind you. I simply see bitterness caused by the embarrassment of this act, thats all. And I was saying that it is you that accuse Jonah of a false prophecy when you say Camping is a false prophet.

Is Harold Camping Correct

Jim, when I saw you add your own words to Mark 25:13, I must admit I was a bit speechless. I pray that you know better than to do that, so I don't know why you did it. To answer your questions, "You do not know when the time is"... Simple... they didn't know. He didn't say or imply that no one will ever know. In fact, many verses imply we will know. To put the other verses in perspective: "...IF THEREFORE THOU SHALT NOT WATCH, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee." Rev 3:3. 1Thes5:2,5: ..."the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night...But ye, brethren, are not in darkness that that day shall overtake you as a thief."

Is Harold Camping Correct

Marc, could you please cite the verse that implies that Jonahs warning of 40 days came with a chance of mercy? The account is very simple, and no implication exists. In fact, Jonah was even angry when it didnt come to pass. Please correct yourself so that I can respond appropriately. And Laurie, I don't follow Camping any more than you follow Marc or Jim. I follow God. Camping and I happen to be in agreement in what God reveals to His followers through His Word. It's only through His Mercy, and I'm incredibly blessed by this and can only strive to spread the word as far and wide as possible, which is what I am doing here.

Is Harold Camping Correct

Jim, I believe your bitterness against the messenger comes from blaming Camping for your joining a separatist commune, disregarding Camping's advice and rebelling against God in doing so. You are blaming Camping for your decision, rather than claiming responsibility for your own sin. This is a trap you need to avoid. Mark, I appreciate you explaining what I meant, but it's futile, not because I'm not agreed with, but I'm not really heard. But I know the message only takes root in those whom God reveals it to, and those are very rare. I'm here only to sound the warning.

Is Harold Camping Correct

"But of that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone." Mark 13:32 I don't see any reference in this verse to knowledge about time. And Jesus doesn't know when? Isn't he God? Pray for spiritual understanding when you read the Bible. We can't trust our own interpretations. The Bible also says: "There is none righteous, no not one." Romans 3:10. Does it say none can become righteous? No. Neither does "no one knows" mean no one CAN know.

Is Harold Camping Correct

What's clear is that some feel qualified to be critical of something they haven't examined. In the final chapter of "1994?", Camping directly states that "we cannot be absolutely certain" based on the evidence, because "we may have missed something", but "the evidence suggest it is extremely likely." I also remember him talking about the book before it came out, and he stated it was titled with a question mark because it was a high liklihood, not a certainty. It seems we need to throw out the Book of Jonah, because it was obviously a false prophecy, unless you believe Jonah's excuse that "God changed His mind"...right?

Is Harold Camping Correct

Yet you still refuse to answer, choosing instead to produce a straw man. Anyone who proclaims the TRUE Gospel is comparable to the prophets of old. We bring the same message. Most scoffed back then, just as now. My simple question stands...would you have listened to them? Yes or no? Only God reveals His truth. In "1994?", Camping implicitly states 1994 was not a certainty, but based on the evidence available it seemed very likely. That was a maybe. 2011 is no maybe. Camping is not predicting it. God is teaching it. I will not reject God's Word, and I will not cease in warning those who do. They attack the messengers at their own peril.

Other People Than Adam And Eve
	"And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters" Genesis 5:4 They could have had scores of sons and daughters, with those children having scores of their own. After the flood, the four surviving families started the cycle over again.

Is Harold Camping Correct

There is a reason some are reacting to my question by analyzing it rather than answering it. It's a simple yes or no. Would you have heeded Noah, Jonah, or even Lot? And no choosing the easy way out with "I don't know". You've decided on Camping. What would you have decided back then? For that matter, what would you have said to a poor carpenter claiming to be the Christ? People's response to this warning will reveal much about the condition of their heart. Examine yourselves.

Is Harold Camping Correct
	It's an old argument that Camping "predicted" 1994. He emphazised in the book and in its title that 1994 was a "maybe". We've since discovered what the significance of 1994 actually was. So Jonah must have been a false prophet since his "prediction" failed. Good thing they didn't respond the way many on this blog are responding.

Is Harold Camping Correct

The analogy of listening to sale pitches is accurate. Every church has a sales pitch to offer these days, supplanting the Gospel message with advertisments and enticements meant to do nothing but sell church memberships for the glory of man's organizations. We are blessed that God has raised and protected Family Radio to not only preserve and proclaim the Gospel message, but to reveal God's previously sealed prophecies to the world. Would you listen to an old kook who spent 120 years building an ark claiming God told him He was going to destroy the world in a great flood? Would you listen to someone claimeing to have traveled in the belly of a great fish to deliver the message that God was about to destroy your city?

Is Harold Camping Correct

Rod, the "special knowledge" needed to understand the Bible is when God opens our spiritual understanding. "Let he who has an ear to hear, hear". It's how Lazarus, a dead guy, heard and obeyed Jesus. He had to be made alive first before he could hear and respond to God's Word. Just as we are spiritually dead, God has to provide the spiritual ears to hear, understand, and respond. Otherwise, everyone would understand and believe the Bible, and then, why wouldnt everyone seek salvation?

Is Harold Camping Correct

Laurie, I didnt say Camping's time and effort is what makes it accurate. I said his time and brainpower (mathematically) makes it likely he has already worked through the factors I'm looking at. Please stop trying to make it appear that I am saying things I am not. Also, again, it is incorrect by either ignorance or deception to say Camping and his "followers" were certain 1994 was the end. Please stop trying to make it appear that he said things he did not. He stated he wasnt certain in the book, and titled the book with a "?". It was a matter of having the evidence to determine whether it was 2300 days from 1988, or 23 years, which he stated in "1994?".

Is Harold Camping Correct

Brad, Like I said, everything I find in the Bible further confirms the timeline. I was researching factors that had to do with transposing the calendar, but like I said, Camping has put decades more time and more brainpower into the math than I possess and chances are he has already worked through that. Marc, I'll let Brad speak for himself. I just get a little put off when arguments are railroaded, whether intentionally or not. Rod, I think you understand that I was using Camping's book only as an index that has cataloged the location of a massive amount of biblical information that you requested, nothing more.

Is Harold Camping Correct

Wow. Laurie, you correctly quoted Brad as saying ARGUING over the point made no sense so it was unimportant. The context was that there is overwhelming evidence supporting it. I understand you are in agreement with Marc, but come on. This is as transparent as it gets. Rod, I hear you on referencing someone else's book. I've been a huge skeptic of religious types my whole life, and continue to be so. I referred you to a book which references the information in the Bible that you requested. The Bible is a big book. Obviously I cant type it all out here. If you were willing to hear it from me, why are you unwilling to hear it from Camping? I wonder what everyone here would think of Jonah if they lived in Ninevah.