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Does Satan Lie
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Therese, Paul does not contradict the teachings of Jesus Christ and neither does Scripture contradict Scripture.
You're very confused. As MarkV rightly say, the Lazarus in John 11 is not the same as the one in Luke 16. According to Christ's teaching in Luke 16, there's a "holding" place call Paradise and Hades where the saints and reprobates are being held until the return of Christ on Judgement Day.
Then, the saints await the glorification while the reprobates, though is not written about what it is called, I believe will also have a "spiritual body" but not a glorified one as the saints, for their eternal punishment in hell. |
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Where Did Evil Come From
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"Understanding God's complete holiness and sinlessness we realize If God created evil His holiness must be flawed." Elder
What's flawed is the heart of the fallen man. He cannot believe that God is Holy and in His Holiness, He cannot and does not sin. He creating evil and the wicked does not make Him "flawed" whatsoever but rather an awesome God, one to be feared, glorified and praised. And if you have a problem with this truth, simply put - He's not your God nor Father.
Amos 3:6, "shall there be evil in a city, and the Lord hath not done it?" |
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Where Did Evil Come From
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"GOD did not, nor does HE ever, create evil like the kind of evil that Satan and his demons are involved with! HE allows it, but, HE does not author it!" Gordon
"Allows it"? Really? Is that what the Bible says?
"The Lord hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil." Proverbs 16:4, "Calling a ravenous bird from the east, the man that executeth my counsel from a far country: yea, I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass, I have purposed it, I will also do it." Isaiah 46:11
Thank God for His Word that what you said is nothing but lies. |
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How To Get Saved
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JackB, your reference to the prodigal son to support your "free-will" is nothing short of laughable (though salvation is no laughing matter by itself). You forgot the most important fact of the parable, the "prodigal son" was already the son of the father. He was not someone outside of the son-ship at all. Meaning he was already "related" to the father by birth.
It's a picture of those whom God has already chosen before the foundations of the world who will return to their Father when the time is predestined for them to return.
A sheep will always be a sheep and a goat a goat. Neither can change themselves to one or the other. So too, those chosen by God in His Son. |
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How To Get Saved
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Jasheradan, if you cannot understand and believe in the magnitude of what salvation is as recorded in Acts 13:48, what's the point of you quoting verses that doesn't even mean free-will exist whatsoever.
Acts 13:48 explicitly declares: "as many as were ordained to eternal life believed", that is to simply say, anyone who believes in Christ is because they were chosen by God and it has nothing to do with the sinner choosing on their own, understand?
And that confirms Christ's declaration, "No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day."
In short, salvation is only by God's sovereign election in Christ. |
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How To Get Saved
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"You are completely backwards here, sir. The cart is before the horse." JackB
Care then to explain: "Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved,) For by grace are ye saved through faith, and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast."
At least I still have a cart and the horse, whereas you only imagine you have a cart and a horse, when in actual fact, you have nothing but an perverted imagination of salvation.
"And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work." |
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Does Satan Lie
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"As a result, when Jesus spoke that story about the rich man and Lazarus, if it was not a parable, it was a prophecy - but it was not something that had already happened." Peter9556
How and where did you get that from? Do you even know what's a prophesy?
Luke 16:22 explicitly says, "And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried." It didn't say the "beggar and the rich man was going to die" but they DIED.
These are not my words but that of the Holy Bible, so how did you understand it to be a prophesy? I can understand if you want to insist it as a parable as some here do, but a prophesy? |
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Where Did Evil Come From
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"You guys are amazing, you attribute evil to God." Pharisee
Wow! You're a perfect definition of the word hypocrisy. You say you read the Bible and yet in the Scriptures we are explicitly told by God that He created evil and everything in this world. So why don't you believe?
But there's a perfect answer to that - Jesus said, "He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God."
And that's because God declared in Isaiah 45:7, "I form the light, and create darkness: I MAKE PEACE, and CREATE EVIL: I the Lord do all these things." and "ye therfore hear them not, because ye are not of God." |
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Can We Trust The Scripture
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"2 Timothy 3. Does not referr to anything written in the NT. it only referrs to the OT" francis
Say what? Wasn't Paul a NT apostle of Jesus Christ? You're seriously adding words as you go along and that's because like a rat, you've been cornered. right?
Now, if you're right, it wouldn't hurt you to show us where in the Holy Scripture does it say what you have just proclaimed, right? But who knows, with the convoluted mind of yours you might show us something from the OT that what Paul wrote in Timothy doesn't refer to the NT but only to the OT.
You're a real piece of work. |
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How To Get Saved
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jerry6593, you do well to quote Joshua 24:15 in the attempt to justify your doctrine of free-will. BUT does it really teach anyone that the man has a choice as you so believe in and advocate of such?
Why then do you not continue on and show what Joshua replied to the people of Israel with regards to your idea of "CHOOSE" in verse 19? This is what's written:
"And Joshua said unto the people, YE CANNOT SERVE THE LORD: for he is an holy God, he is a jealous God, he will not forgive your transgressions nor your sins."
Verse 19 contradicts your understanding of verse 15 in that there's a choice, which to begin with, is an impossible task for a sinner. |
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Does Satan Lie
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"Where does scripture say that if a person is named ,it's literal?" 1stCliff
"But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned." Matthew 12:36,37
Is it then any wonder that you do not believe that Jesus Christ is God even when the Holy Bible says so?
O, your conclusion of me being a pagan with regards to the soul returning to a "mummified" body like the Egyptian? Where did I in any of my blogs wrote of such a thing? Please feel free to post it and expose me, if you can't, you're a liar! |
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Where Did Evil Come From
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Pharisee, you keep going round and still end up where you were before, not believing the Word of God, which you so hypocritically say you do. You explicitly declared, "God did not directly create evil." O, was God creating good and suddenly out popped evil out of nowhere?
You accuse us of not believing the Word when all we do is show you the verses of where evil came from? Here, one more time for your sake, "The Lord hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil."
You see, evil is an act against a Holy God and in the act of evil, the wicked is the perpetrator. Who then brought forth the wicked? Doesn't Proverbs 16:4 provides you with an explicit answer? |
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Can We Trust The Scripture
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"As i keep saying, the word of God is NOT limited to what has already been written down" francis
And Scripture calls you a liar.
"This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come... Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away... Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works." from the book of 2 Timothy 3.
See the contradiction?
Thank God for His wonderful Word. |
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How To Get Saved
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"Look upon/believe THEN you shall live." Jasheradan
Is that how Scripture tells us? "And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and AS MANY AS WERE ORDAINED TO ETERNAL LIFE BELIEVED." Acts 13:48
That is to say, those mentioned by Scriptures "who believe" in 1 Tim 4:10, 1 Tim 2:3,4, John 3:14,15, Numbers 21:9 was purely because they were "ordained to eternal life" or as Paul declared, "According as He hath chosen us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love."
The sinner believe is because he's saved and not to be saved. |
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Does Satan Lie
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"It paints a horrible picture of my loving God punishing the unsaved for all eternity." Therese
Isaiah 6:3 - "And one cried unto another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, is the Lord of hosts: the whole earth is full of his glory." and this is how Christ taught His people to pray to the Father, "Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name." Did Isaiah or Christ say "love, love, love"?
Understand that God is first and foremost, "HOLY" (in Isaiah, three times Holy - confirming God is three in One). In His Holiness comes forth His love and hate. Explicitly we are told, "saith the Lord: yet I loved Jacob, And I hated Esau" Malachi 1:2,3 |
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Where Did Evil Come From
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"Man is one of the most delightful elements in creation..." Pharisee
And yet Scripture declares, "All nations before Him are as nothing, and they are counted to Him less than nothing, and vanity." Isaiah 40:17. What could be "less than nothing"?
Paul even declared, "Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful, but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools." Romans 1:21,22
"Delightful" you say? In whose eyes? Yours or God? Definitely not God's eyes! You keep dreaming... |
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Saved But Out Of Control
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It's true that even Christians are great sinners, so the Scripture tells us. But here's a warning from the Bible,
"Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law." Galatians 5:22,23
Just be mindful that salvation is 100% by the grace of God through faith in Jesus Christ and nothing else. But God will leave fruits in the Christian as evidence. |
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How To Get Saved
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"Show us a scripture that says Paul wasn't convinced at his conversion. Where is it?" JamesL
That's simple, it's because there's none in the Scripture that supports your rubbish that "Paul was convinced at his conversion"!
If he was "convinced by the truth" according to your rubbish, was there even a need for Christ to strike him down on his way to Damascus to persecute more Christians?
"Convincing" is not God's way to salvation anyways, but to "free-willers" like you, it is. The Spirit of God's work is to "convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment"! But is everyone in the world convicted? |
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Who Did Jesus Die For
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"Does that mean that you have not confessed your sins, repented of them and asked for forgiveness?" jerry6593
Nice try old wily one. According to Scripture, God does not save the sinner because he repented of his sins.
Confessing of your sin and repentance to God is merely the consequence of one being saved by grace. Simply to mean, one will repent the minute the Spirit of God regenerates the sinner, that's why it's called salvation by grace.
According to your doctrine, your god saves you because you first repented, that is, your god becomes obligated to your call. That's wreaks of salvation by works! |
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