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How To Get Saved
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"Show us a scripture that says Paul wasn't convinced at his conversion. Where is it?" JamesL
That's simple, it's because there's none...\\
---christen
'nuf said. I guess since you couldn't put up, well...you know the rest |
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How To Get Saved
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Jerry,
what on earth did I write that even hinted at Predestination, and especially contrasted against "Lost" ??
You've got the whole notion of predestination so far out of context that you probably never will understand it properly
Protestants on both sides of that argument so heinously misunderstand Election and Predestination
that you might as well be arguing whether a bicycle has three wheels or four |
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How To Get Saved
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\\ Did the conversion of Paul happened because he was "overwhelmed with the truth and became convinced"?...
And Scripture calls that a blatant and outright lie. \\
---christan
WHERE ?!?
Show us a scripture that says Paul wasn't convinced at his conversion. Where is it?
PUT UP OR SHUT UP ! !
I want to see the scripture.
And I'm sure everybody else does too.
BOOK - CHAPTER - VERSE
which says that Paul was NOT convinced of truth at his conversion |
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How To Get Saved
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\\ God who speaks to our hearts through his word. he tells us the truth, it overwhelms us and we agree. \\
---Pharisee
Scripture agrees with that. But that's not the same as choosing to believe. God overwhelms us with truth, we become convinnced of it because of His work in our heart and mind. Then it's over.
One would have to believe it before he could ever make a choice to believe it.
Thus, the "choice" is rendered meaningless, and only serves to confuse, or to take the credit that belongs to God alone
\\ Jesus said you believe in God, believe also in me. Why did he need to tell them this? \\
---Pharisee
Because a new covenant (in Him) was on the horizon. |
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Can We Trust The Scripture
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Why do advocates of Sola Scriptura always include extra-biblical chapter and verse divisions with scripture quotations ? |
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How To Get Saved
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\\ Only a non-Christian would say "IF" Christ's sacrifice provided salvation. \\
---Jerry6593
It may seem like splitting hairs, but I disagree.
Jesus's sacrifice didn't "make salvation possible", His sacrifice IS salvation - to those who believe.
The difference is that the "possibility" doctrine puts the onus on the man to turn, or embrace, or follow, or endure
But scripture says that it is purely the work of God to save - not of works, nor the will of man, nor the will of the flesh.
\\ Mat 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. \\
---jerry6593
Your understanding of that verse has it in direct conflict with other scriptures |
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How To Get Saved
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\\ An issue is if God controls who comes to trust in Jesus, or does the person make the choice all on one's own? \\
---willie_c on 6/14/13
That's a fatal flaw in "christian" thinking.
It's not humanly posssible to choose to trust someone.
John 1:13 says that we are born - Not of human decision, nor a man's will. It's only by God
The flesh profits nothing. The Spirit gives life.
The idea that we "choose" salvation is giving all the credit to man, leaving plenty of room for boasting. |
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Predestination With Free Will
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"Predestined, Chosen, Elect, is not predestined to being saved from hell" JamesL
\\ Really?...
John 6:37...
Romans 8:30...
Ephesians 1:4,5... \\
---christan on 6/13/13
Yes, really.
If you took the time to study the scriptures for yourself instead of learning from reprobates, you might be able to see it
And I'm not sure how you think the scriptures you quoted are against what I said.
After all, I referenced Romans 8:28-30
What's your point? That you know how to take scripture out of context?
Good job. Take a bow, you're one of the best at it |
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Predestination With Free Will
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\\ ...predestined and elect for his sovereignty, but that doesn't negate the "whosoever" of this great gospel. \\
---Pharisee on 6/12/13
Predestined, Chosen, Elect, is not predestined to being saved from hell (or however someone might word it)
Three words to take note of also - Glory, Suffer, Inherit
Check out:
Mark 10:35-40
Hebrews 1:14, 2:9-10
1Pet 1:7 & 11, 2:21
Rom 8:17, 28-30
2Tim 2:10
Foreknown as a son (heir), then predestined to become that son because of suffering
Not everyone in heaven will be an heir with Him, because not every believer will pick up their cross and follow Him in suffering |
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No Christian Music
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\\James....objects to something for no good reason...\\
---James on 6/11/13
I wasn't objecting to the way the passage is written, I was trying to get a particular response from Mark V, and BUILD to a point.
The point is - How could Paul be disqualified from preaching AFTER he preached?
Would God go back and unsave all the people who had heard the gospel from a disqualified preacher?
Or would the DQ be before the preaching
If the PAST TENSE issue isn't nailed down first, the rest is for naught
See now ??? |
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No Christian Music
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\\ "lest, when I have preached to others, I myself should become disqualified" \\
---Mark_V. on 6/11/13
Wrong ! !
He' saying that AFTER he has preached, he could be disqualified
NIV - AFTER
NASB - AFTER
ESV - AFTER
NLT - AFTER
HCSB - AFTER
ISV - AFTER
NET - AFTER
ASV - AFTER
ERV - AFTER
HAVE PREACHED is past tense |
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Sola Scriptura In Bible
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\\ Sola Scriptura is a teaching tool use to interpret Scripture. \\
---Mark_V. on 6/11/13
Where did you hear that nonsense ??
Sola - ALONE
Scriptura - SCRIPTURE
Sola Scriptura is a tenet of faith, not a "teaching tool"
This tenet says that SCRIPTURE ALONE is our authority for all spiritual matters
So, does scripture have a listed canon ? If not, then THAT spiritual matter came from some authority other than scripture
Does scripture give the date and author of each writing ? If not then THAT spiritual matter came from an extra-biblical authority
And there are others |
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No Christian Music
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\\ The context says NOTHING about being disqualified from preaching and teaching. \\
---Cluny on 6/10/13
but...but...but...that's the only interpretation that fits into his pre-manufactured doctrine that appeals to only half the scriptures, and either rejects or twists the rest |
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Sola Scriptura In Bible
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By whos authority do Protestants accept which writings are to be considered scripture ??
Is there a list in the bible ?? or is it by extra-biblical authority ??
By whos authority do Protestants accept authorship of certain scriptures ??
Are the names written in each case ?? or is it by extra-biblical authority ?? |
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No Christian Music
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Shira,
No one doubts that we're involved in spiritual warfare.
But, what YOU specifically said is that the DEVIL is in a battle for our souls. Then, you said that if I DON'T believe that the devil is in a battle for MY soul, I wouldn't understand.
I have a feeling that you'll stretch this out to 75 replies without EVER answering my question
?? WHAT DO YOU MEAN when you say - the devil is in a battle for your soul
Who is he battling against - YOU or GOD ??
What is this SOUL that he's battling for ??
What does FOR mean to you ???
For can mean to benefit. Do you think the devil is battling to benefit your soul ??
WHAT DO YOU MEAN ???
Explain thyself |
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No Christian Music
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Shira,
since the bible nowhere says that the devil is in a battle for anyone's soul, and since that can be understood several different ways, I thought I would ask what YOU mean by that.
Maybe it's just fundamentalist jargon that doesn't mean anything.
Maybe you don't even know what you meant. Maybe you've heard that a thousand times at church, and never asked for clarification
It depends on how you define soul, and what you think the devil might gain or accomplish if he were to win this battle
Soooo....
What do you mean by that ???? |
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Sola Scriptura In Bible
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// "All scripture is given by inspiration of God..." 2 Timothy 3:16,17
So, what's the problem? //
---christan on 6/7/13
One problem is that the verse you quoted says All Scripture not Only Scripture
So to say that Paul taught Sola Scriptura is bogus.
Besides, your doctrine is derived from Dimidium Scripturae, so that's another problem |
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// satan is in the battle for our souls. //
---shira4368 on 6/7/13
What do you mean by that ? |
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Shira, if you think the devil believes in God, then you are utterly deceived.
Scripture never, ever says that. NEVER.
You, and many others, need to learn what it means to believe in someone, and stop mishandling scripture.
If a child is about to sing in front of a crowd of 300 people, he might be a nervous wreck. His mom might try to assure him that he can do it. She would probably say I believe in you
How much support is she offering if she means "I believe you exist"
The notion that the devil believs in God is the most ludicrous thing a Christian can ever say.
Makes me wonder if YOU believe in God, if you don't even know what it means |
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