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White Throne Judgment
  
Cluny:

You asked: And who decides which doctrines are vitally important, and others less so?

Good question. However, for a start, things that Jesus spent a lot of time talking about are likely to be more important than things he mentioned rarely or never. Also, things that he specifically said were unimportant are, in fact, unimportant.


White Throne Judgment
  
Cluny:

You said: Doctrines and creeds ARE divisive. They divide truth from error. They divide the Gospel of grace from heresy. They divide Christianity from paganism.

Some doctrines are vitally important (e.g. camels). Others are trivial (e.g. gnats). The Pharisees made an error of concentrating so much on the gnats (to the point of choking on them), that they ignored the camels. Many today make the same error - they spend so much time being divisive about trivial things, that it hurts the unity of those who otherwise should be brothers working together, rather than fighting each other over things that are of little importance.


Finish It Here Sept 2014
  
Warwick:

You said: StrongAxe, all that is necessary to create 1 day is a fixed light source and a turning earth

I agree. But what light source fits that description? It wasn't the sun, as that was created several days later, and part of the light went into stars (that are in a totally different location).

Six days is six days

Yes, but this does not in any way qualify what KIND of days.

Your interpretation makes the Sabbath meaningless to the Israelites.

Only before the sun was created, and there were no Jews at that time.


Finish It Here Sept 2014
  
Warwick:

You said:
StrongAxe,you are proposing that God needs the sun to mark out a day but He disagrees.


I never said nor implied that. What I DID say is that we NOW use the sun to mark out days, but the sun COULD NOT HAVE BEEN USED during the first few days when it did not exist - so yes, God did have a way to mark out days then, but it was something OTHER than the sun. We don't know what that was. God didn't think it was important enough to be specific about.


White Throne Judgment
  
Samuelbb7:

It isn't even about the doctrine itself. When Jesus describes the judgment when he separates just from unjust, the sole criterion used to distinguish them is their acts of compassion. NOT whether they were theologically educated. NOT whether they had correct doctrine. NOT whether they were members of the "right church". We are all imperfect. I am sure Jesus will forgive us for our misconceptions, as long as those don't get in the way of what he actually told us to do. But if we use such doctrines to be divisive and to fragment the body of Christ - it becomes a problem.


Finish It Here Sept 2014
  
Warwick:

Of course we do, because NOW we have sun by which we can measure the length of days - which just happen to be approximately 24 hours long. This has been the case for all of human history. But it was NOT the case for the first few days in Genesis 1, so you cannot use the current way we measure days to determine how those first few days were measured - because it would be impossible to measure them that way.


Orthodox Theology Ideology
  
Lawrence:

You constantly write: Glory to God The Father which who Is Jesus Christ.

This is curious, because Jesus frequently refers to himself as Son, but never refers to himself as Father. Jesus frequently speaks of the Father, but always speaks of him in the third person - as someone different from himself. When people called him good, he rebuked them - saying only the Father is good. When they asked him when the last days were, he said he didn't know - only the Father knows. On and on. But you don't like such verses, because they disagree with your own pet beliefs.


Finish It Here Sept 2014
  
Warwick:

You wrote: I also pointed out that Bible-believing Christians differ in their view of what Genesis 1:6,7 actually means.

I am amazed to hear you admit this, because you used to always insist that "day" in Genesis 1 must necessarily mean 24-hour day, and would not even consider the possibility that any Christian might interpret this differently. Why are some parts of Genesis 1 legitimately open to interpretation, while others are not?


Who Is The Rock
  
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Yes, our spirits are one with Christ - but they are not one and the same as Christ. We are not Christ. Christ is in the Father, and the Father is in him, but Christ is not the Father. This is a subtlety that oneness people seem incapable of distinguishing. (I am not disagreeing with you - I think you and I are trying to say the same thing, in slightly different ways).


White Throne Judgment
  
Lawrence:

You said: Yes, S A, your self contradictory.

Oh? Please explain just exactly what I said that contradicts something else I said.

However, YOU said the Harlot in the Reveleation verses you keep re-quoting ad nauseam was 'trinity' - NOT the RCC. (I guess you are so full of venom against both that you confuse the two). These are NOT the same, and calling the harlot "trinity" is self-contradictory.

You quote Matthew 7:13 and Revelation 17:4-6, yet none of these verses say anything at all about trinity. A verse that says "don't sin" (say) gives absolutely no help in identifying just what any specific sin IS.


White Throne Judgment
  
Lawrence:

One sign that someone has a very narrow perspective is that he always talks about a small number of things, and frequently repeats cliches - such as you do when constantly attack the trinity, and quote that same verse in Revelation.

You said: So the deceiving trinity Rev.17 vs 4 5 6 to invade the world.

Those verses talk about the harlot who is drunk with the blood of the saints. This means you believe the trinity is that harlot. If the trinity is the harlot, it must have killed saints, so it must be real, and not false. If the trinity is false, it cannot have murdered anyone. So which is it? Either way, your assertion is self-contradictory.


Who Is The Rock
  
g:

The bible says "we are one", not "we are one and the same". This is a distinction that oneness people seem unable to grasp. A husband and wife are "one", but anyone who can't tell one from the other would usually require new glasses.


White Throne Judgment
  
Cluny:

Lawrence wrote: The Mother of Harlots and of the Abominations of the earth.

You wrote: This is the Sabelian Modalist/Oneness church, for which Lawrence pimps.

How can this be the case, as she is described as "drunk with the blood of the saints", and there has never been a point in history in which a large Sabelian church has systematically murdered anyone who disagreed with it (contrast with Christians martyred by Rome, the Inquisition, various Communist purges, etc.)


Who Is The Rock
  
g:


John 17:21: "That they all may be one, as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me."

So Jesus prayed that we would all be one IN THE SAME WAY that he and the Father are. Are you and I identical? Are ANY two believers one and the same? No. But they would HAVE to be if Jesus and the Father were one and the same entity.


Angel Of The Lord
  
therese:

Yes, God gave us brains. One of the things that brains do is to think logically. One part of thinking logically is to realize that if one's reasoning process leads to a contradictory conclusion, then either one's data is faulty, or one's reasoning process is faulty.

An example. The conclusion "Jesus is a created being" contradicts Collossians 1:16
"For by him were all things created...". Jehovah's Witnesses solve this by altering the Bible to say "all [other] things", even though neither grammar nor context suggests the word "other" - it can ONLY be inferred by starting with the foregone conclusion and making the facts fit that conclusion.


Are Space Aliens Real
  
aka:

Most employers state that falsifying documents or credentials is grounds for immediate dismissal. So, if you falsify documents, your employer can fire you. If an illegal alien falsifies documents to appear legal, and gets hired, he doesn't have any more legal rights than you do - and if his employer finds out, not only can the employer fire him just like he could fire you, he can also call the INS to do whatever they need to do to deport the illegal immigrant.


Devil Speaking Through Someone
  
Lawrence:

The Rome mentioned in the gospels was a polytheistic pagan society. It believed in many gods like Jupiter, Juno, Mars, etc. It did NOT believe in the Father, Son and Holy Spirit - at least not until Constantine, who lived many centuries later. The martyrs of the early church were fed to lions in the Coliseum by pagan polytheists, for refusing to worship Caesar as god - NOT by trinitarians!


Devil Speaking Through Someone
  
Lawrence:

You said: Deny all you want, it's your choice.

Earlier, you said: It's Not referring to the Rev.17 vs 4 5 6 churches peoples.

YOU were the one denying, not I.

But It IS those that Mother harlot martyred.

Who are those, exactly? As you were talking about the Acts church, any martyrs there were killed by Pharisees (e.g. Stephen) and Rome (that was polytheistic, and had nothing to do with trinitarian Christianity).


Devil Speaking Through Someone
  
Lawrence:

When one wears two hats, one must often have an INTERNAL dialogue where each hat's priorities are in conflict. But if one has such a dialogue externally, one is either schizophrenic, or a stand-up comedian. In Gethsemane, Jesus was praying - i.e. speaking out loud.

You said: The harlot drunken with the blood of the saint's is, The Acts Church saint's that were martyred. It's Not referring to the Rev.17 vs 4 5 6 churches peoples.

Perhaps you overlooked the actual words "drunken with the blood of the saints" in verse 6?


Devil Speaking Through Someone
  
Lawrence:

You said: The Acts Church IS Bible, or it wouldn't be there.

So what? I never said it wasn't, and it has nothing to do with whether trinitarianism is right or wrong.

Rev. 17:4-6 is a harlot drunk with the blood of the saints. This clearly isn't Christian. How much genocide against Christians has been done by Lutherans, Methodists, Baptists, Pentecostals, etc.?

And you're still avoiding my "talking to yourself" question.



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