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Most Accurate Bible
  
michael_e:

You asked: Do you actually think He would preserve parts and them not perfect

I try not to read God's mind to second-guess what he would do. I prefer to go by what he ACTUALLY says he will do.

Since you are so insistent about the perfect preservation about every single letter and word in scripture, I'm surprised that you're relying so much about your own gut feeling about it, rather than what God actually says.


scott:

The Word endures forever. This doesn't mean that every single word endures. We have many different manuscripts that differ in minor points, but so what? These manuscripts differ in only minor points. As a whole, the message is intact.


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michael_e:

You said: There is no good reason to doubt that God could preserve his inspired words perfectly and without error.

Scripture never ACTUALLY says he will do this.

He declares the end from the beginning. His ways are perfect and his thoughts pure.

Yes, but he does't always tell us what those are. In fact, there are many books specfically cited in the Bible that people in those days had access to, but we no longer do. Why not? I guess God didn't consider them important enough to preserve at all.

According to Rom 3:3-4, the errors dont exist.

Nothing in those verses says anything about preserving every letter and word 100% perfectly.


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michael_e:

You said: Is it amazing, God is able to save, but not able to preserve His Word? Why would you put God in a box?

There's no need to put God in a box. On the other hand, while the Bible does explicitly say that God saves, nowhere does it mention that he is guaranteed to preserve all the scriptures accurate down to the very letter and word. We may believe that, and it may be true, but the Bible nowhere teaches it.


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aka:

You wrote: why do you want to water down the witness of "a flaming sword" and its the significance?.

I wasn't watering it down. I was paraphrasing from my imperfect memory - this is why I used the generic "angel", and I didn't use quotation marks, nor cite chapter and verse. There are times when I have time to spend half an hour researching replies on this site, and there are times when I don't.

But the point remains - the cherubim blocked access to the ENTIRE garden, NOT just the Tree of Life.


ISIS Angels Revelation
  
Cluny:

I may be confusing two things, but from Wikipedia article on "Alhambra Decree":

The punishment for any Jew who did not convert or leave by the deadline was death without trial.

So, I WAS right: conversion, exile, or death.

But in reparations: in 2014, the government of Spain passed a law allowing dual citizenship to Jewish descendants who apply, in order to "compensate for shameful events in the countrys past."[3] Thus, Sephardic Jews who are descendants of those Jews expelled from Spain due to the Alhambra Decree can "become Spaniards without leaving home or giving up their present nationality."


What Is The Real Gospel
  
Warwick:

You said: As my studies show "Everlasting Father" does not mean He is the Father, the first person of the Godhead but that He is eternal and father of everlasting (eternity) and author of eternal life.

You and Lawrence should talk about this, then. He is totally convinced that Jesus is God the Father, keeps repeating it ad nauseam, and refuses to listen to any arguments to the contrary. It's probably because of this one verse. I've often warned about the dangers of building a fundamental dogma based on a single scriptural verse mentioned in passing.


ISIS Angels Revelation
  
learner2:

You said: Hitler perceived Jewish plots too and so felt he had no choice but to get rid of them. Was he justified?

Hitler was paranoid, and saw plots everywhere, even when they didn't exist. Acting on such feelings is never justified.

Besides, Hitler had therories of racial superiority. He sought the extermination of any groups he thought were inferior - Jews, Gypsies, Poles, and many others. This had nothing to do with plots.


Cluny:

You said: Death was not one of the options.

I thought that 1/3 of the Jews were killed, 1/3 were expelled, and 1/3 were forced to convert. Was I misinformed?


What Is The Real Gospel
  
scott:

You wrote: As students of God's word, Witnesses (of course) believe every verse that you have posted.

More specifically: witnesses believe The Watchtower's interpretation of every verse. After all, if anyone interprets any verses himself, without the Watchtower's oversight, he's likely to get it wrong. There's no room for independent thought or criticism.


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aka:

It's fairly clear that the angel with the flaming sword blocked the entrance to ALL of Eden, specifically to prevent access to the Tree of Life.

Otherwise, what was to stop Adam and Eve from coming back and enjoying the other parts of the garden? But they never did.


ISIS Angels Revelation
  
Cluny:

In 1492, Spain did a very Muslim-like thing to Jews - move, convert, or die. And we all know how Conquistadores treated the New World, with the Pope's blessing.

The Crusades were the Christian European response to mahometan jihadism.

Crusaders were given plenary indulgences, freeing them from responsibilities the rest of us endure. Having an army of soldiers coming through town taking whatever they need without feeling the need to pay for it would certainly fill the merchants with great cheer.

Puritan New England--Pilgrim's pride and all that--did the same thing, only they were Protestants,

Proving my point - Christians of ANY type committing atrocities in God's name, giving God a bad name.


What Is The Real Gospel
  
Warwick:

To split hairs, Isaiah doesn't say the messiah would be "wonderful councellor, the mighty God, the everlasting Father, the prince of peace". He says the messiah would be CALLED these things, which does not necessarily assert that these are necessarily true. The fact that Jesus has been called these things fulfills this prophecy, regardless of whether he actually IS any of those things. So one cannot use this verse to prove that Jesus is the Father (as Lawrence continually asserts).


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michael_e:

Since we have so many manuscripts that disagree in minor points, and we have no objective third-party authority (e.g. a voice from heaven) to tell us which ones are right, God is leaving it for imperfect humans to copy and vet imperfect copies of his word.

From this, we have to conclude that God is more concerned with the central essence of the message, rather than every single word, jot, and tittle - because we no longer have those to rely on. Maybe he never intended us to. Cults frequently base bizarre doctrines on the twist of a single word or phrase mentioned only once - clearly a very unwise (and unstable) way to treat any kind of documents, whether biblical or not.


What Is The Gospel
  
Steveng:

You said: I knew exactly what I was writing and definately did not "hastily jump to such a conclusion."

I have no doubt that you intended to say exactly what you intended to say. However, from the context (and from Luke's response), it is fairly clear that, rather than trying to determine what HE meant by his statement (for example, by comparing it to his other posts on these blogs in the past), you jumped immediately into an accusation of something that is merely not true.

If you walked slowly and deliberately rather than jumping, I apologize for my inaccurate phrasing.


ISIS Angels Revelation
  
Nana:

One could infer, from Crusades, Conquistadores, Inquisitions, etc., that Christians as a group were greedy, power-hungry, murdering villains - with divine sanction for such crimes, so they must worship an evil god. And one could not be faulted for such a conclusion. This is the kind of thing that Paul wrote of: "It is because of YOU that my name is blasphemed among the nations".

But Christianity has repented and gotten over most of that. Also, Jesus never taught any of it, so any Christian who does it is disobeying Jesus.

Contrast with Islamic groups TODAY who send children in as suicide bombers, and Mohammed who commanded his followers to slay infidels. You're comparing apples and oranges.


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Warwick:

You wrote: Interestingly in my childhood in country Australia the RC church conducted services in Latin, even though few could understand it. People thought it gave a mysterious religious flavour and many protested strongly when services were changed to English.

This happens in a lot of places. I think it depends on WHY people go to church.

If they do it to get closer to God, they should welcome anything that narrows the gap between them. But if they want to experience the alien and mysterious, they don't want to get closer to God - they want God to remain separate and mysterious. They don't want religion - they want magic.


What Is The Gospel
  
Luke wrote: I do not need Scripture. Millions are dying without knowing Jesus Christ.

Steveng wrote: Wow, you don't need scripture? Not surprised and you're not alone. Most christians think the same, unfortunately.

It sounds like he meant "I do not need Scripture TO TELL ME millions are dying without knowing Jesus Christ" - NOT "I do need Scripture at all". If you look at other things Luke has written in the past, you would likely not hastily jump to such a conclusion.

(and also to jerry6593)


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michael_e wrote: Seems to be very little doubt the KJV is very accurate as all others seem to be compared to it.

It's more that SO many people seem to think the KJV is the end-all and be-all translation, all others are compared to it, just to show how accurate (or inaccurate) such a claim is.


ISIS Angels Revelation
  
Cluny:

You wrote: Obama drinks alcohol, eats pork, and supports abortion, all of which are forbidden in mahometanism.

Yes. Apparently, by watching ISIS, it's only appropriate to murder children after they are born.


David With Many Wives
  
Cluny:

You said: I don't recall anyone saying God tolerated polygamy.

There is no mention in the Bible that polygamy is NOT acceptable to God. It was common among all the patriarchs. The custom in the New Testament was monogamy, but there would have been no need to mention a bishop as being a "man of one wife" if polygamy was not acceptable.

Solomon was chastised for his many wives - NOT because of the number, but because they swayed him to other gods. The prophet condemned David for adultery and murder - but said not a word about his polygamy.



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