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Did Jesus Inherit Salvation
scripture doesn't even contain the word "glorification"

you seem to have some mystical understanding of the issue. Glory is honor.

Hebrews 2:9-10 says that Jesus received glory and honor because He endured suffering.

see the similar wording in Romans 8:28-29, where it speaks of US being glorified -which means receiving glory. Just like He received glory.

cut the mysticism and take scripture for what it actually says. Stop pressing doctrine onto the text

Did Jesus Inherit Salvation

you misunderstand what I mean when I say "matter of the will"

not "will yourself to suffer". When you surrender your will, scripture calls that suffering. It is a "matter", or issue, of the will. When you consider God's will above your own, you are suffering.

as for Cluny's post, he mentioned DEGREE of glory. Glory is honor. Some will receive more honor than others. He who seeks to be first, will be last.

Baptist Denonminations
primitive baptist church. They believe you have to get saved over and over and over.
---shira4358 on 10/7/14

Not even.

I have regular discussions with 3 Primitive Baptists.

One of them doesn't mind being called a Hyper-Calvinist.

They believe that salvation happened in eternity, before the foundation of the world. Think.....Election

Then they believe that pertaining to the elect, salvation MIGHT happen in time.

Basically, they believe "salvation" has a much broader meaning then simply saved from hell and going to heaven

They believe the elect will go to heaven, whether they ever know about Christ or not

It's confusing if you don't really know what they believe

Did Jesus Inherit Salvation
I have NEVER said that suffering is a choice.

What I have said is that suffering is a matter of the will.

BIG difference

When we are being led by the Holy Spirit, we lay down our will to do the Father's will.

Hebrews 5:8
Although He was a Son, He learned obedience from the things which He suffered.

1 Pet 2:21
For you have been called for this purpose, since Christ also suffered for you, leaving you an example for you to follow in His steps

Are you going to tell me that obedience isn't a matter of the will?

Did Jesus Inherit Salvation

you've never seen me write anything about self inflicted suffering. It's by suffering that we are conformed to the image of Christ.

this is what we were called for (1Pet 2:20-21)

but suffering is not only according to a Western understanding.

biblical suffering is when we "suffer" our will to being led by the Holy Spirit

and the inheritance of "salvation" is a possession

Baptist Denonminations
Whatever you do, do NOT get your information about Baptists from Shira.

She simply paints everything with too broad a brush, and probably gets her info about Southern Baptists from a paranoid preacher

Did Jesus Inherit Salvation
It would be in everyone's best interest to peek in on Cluny's post, where he mentioned

justification, glory and reward. So far, he's the only one who has a biblical grasp of the distinctions.

Mark Eaton needs to read Hebrews 1:14 those who will inherit salvation

and colossians 3:23-24 reward of the inheritance

Converts To Judaism Saved
can you clarify your question?

Are you speaking of a Christian in the sense of one having been born again? I take this as past tense

When you ask "can that person be saved?" you mean currently saved, or saved in the future?

define saved?

Single Dads Are Viewed
Single moms are treated as widows, while single dads aren't treated at all.

just this past Sunday, my pastor was teaching on fellowship, helping each other, etc

Three times he mentioned single moms, how it would be nice if someone would paint their house, fix their car, play catch with their kids.

but not even a mention that it would be nice for someone to come wash my dishes, or do my laundry, or plan a birthday party for my son

Single Dads Are Viewed
Single dad, or single mom (mum), denotes who does the majority of raising the child(ren)

I have two kids, by two different ex-wives. The first one was raised by his mom - even though I gave child support, had regular weekends, etc.

I was not considered a single dad, even by myself.

my younger one is with me primarily, sees his mom sometimes. I am a single dad now. And his mom was not a single mom before she remarried

Are All Christians The Same
Yes James I would choose not to argue this. But nether can I let it be stated and not object.
---Samuelbb7 on 8/4/14

I don't object to arguing about it, refuting it, it whatever someone wants to call it.

But we should not be offended by any particular view of God on philosophical or emotional grounds.

If scripture says God is a puppeteer, ok.

If scripture says that God is a man who lives on planet Kolob, ok.

If scripture says that God is going to send everyone to hell, ok.

So what if we're offended by a view of God? If that view is the truth, so be it.

So argue from the book of truth, not a wound up tizzy.

Are All Christians The Same
To me this doctrine does not portray a loving caring GOD.---Samuelbb7 on 8/3/14

So what ?? Who cares if the doctrine portrays God in a certain light?

That's one of the reasons I don't like the Calvinist/Arminian debate, because both sides have turned into a philosophical tit-for-tat.

What do the scriptures teach ?? That should be the issue.

Limited Atonement fails one MAJOR biblical point:

ALL men will be raised physically. Some to eternal life, and some to eternal judgment.

Jesus died not only to restore the spirit world, but the material world, including the physical bodies of unbelievers.

Why Did Paul Swim
Pretty good. Believe it or not, I am married now to a wonderful woman who truly loves the Lord and me.
---aka on 7/27/14

that's awesome, brother. I saw a while back that you got "mingled"

didn't know you hit it out of the park

I'm still waiting for one who doesn't love money, possessions and social status

Types of Baptisms
Kathr, good stuff.

"buried" in the water, "raised" out of the water.

Just like Christ was "buried" in the tomb, and raised out of the tomb.

Single Dads Are Viewed
it could be that things in the U.K. are different from here in the states...

Single dads are much more common than 20 years ago. I am a single dad, been one since my son was 6 months old.

here in the states, it has become easier to abandon a child.

Look up "Safe Haven Law"

Types of Baptisms
Some, such as hyper-Dispensationalists, reject water baptism altogether, citing Ephesians 4:5 "One Baptism"

Others, such as Landmarkists, reject spirit baptism altogether, citing Ephesians 4:5 "One Baptism"

Suppose Paul might have had a different "immersion" in mind?

Why Did Paul Swim
"If was just about money. Why did Jesus say no weapon formed against you will prosper?....
---Bryan on 7/17/14

Your question is like asking "If cats climb trees, why does your car run on gasoline?

It doesn't even make sense.

It IS about money. Did you not read the verses I quoted? The context is clear. Don't butcher the word of God you claim to hold in high regard

And you have to ask "if" ???

Second, Isaiah 54 is about the FUTURE of Israel. What kind of weapons do you see in Philippians 4 ??

There aren't any. Because Paul was talking about MONEY

Why Did Paul Swim
"and we did not Complain.

I like it."

---aka on 7/16/14

Thanks, brother. Contentment in Christ....unbeatable

BTW, been a while since we've hollered at each other. How have you been?

Why Did Paul Swim
Phil 4:

10 you have revived your [financial] concern for me, but you lacked opportunity

11 Not that I speak from [material] want

12 I have learned the secret of being filled and going hungry, abundance and suffering need

13 I can do all things through Christ who gives me strength

14 Nevertheless, you have done well to share [money] with me in my affliction

16 I am amply supplied, having received [the money] you sent

17 Not that I seek the gift itself....

Thanks for the money. But whether I get it or not, I have learned contentment in every financial situation, through Christ

Confusion In Churches
By rigidly following this thinking, Romans was written "to all who are beloved of God in Rome," not to us, and Corinthians was written to those at Corinth, and Timothy to Timothy, and so on.
---Rod4Him on 7/12/14

Good stuff.

I have tried to reason in this fashion before, and it falls on deaf ears.

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