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What Is The Trinity
  

\\Show me in the scriptures these technical terms.\\
---James L



They are right after the ones that say "personal Savior" and "accept Christ."
---Cluny on 6/1/15



Exactamundo. And if these so-called biblical notions cannot be substantiated by scripture, they should be rejected

We don't have to resort to fabrication of truth through doctrinal imposition.

Scripture does well enough standing alone


What Is The Trinity
  
People have struggled with the NATURE of Jesus, ever since He began to reveal Himself as the Anointed One, Son of David, Son of God, et al

The issue of Trinity hangs on a misunderstanding of the above realities.


Samuel makes an astute observation on one front. Scripture teaches that Jesus is equal with God. But scripture also teaches that He is subservient to God, doing not His own will but that of the Father


Cliff is also off the mark, thinking of Son from a Greek mindset.


What Is The Trinity
  
"back in 451 A.D...."
---Monk

Yup, which is after Augustine's "On the Trinity" in 415.

After the church went west do we get this notion of "technical term"


"Jesus has two natures--human and divine. "Nature" here has a technical meaning"
---Monk


That's just a lazy excuse. Show me in the scriptures these technical terms.


And believe me, I'm not advocating Arianism.

Have you read my comments on the Athanasian Creed?


What Is The Trinity
  
Jesus has 2 natures human and Divine....
He is fully Man and fully Divine."
---Nicole_Lacey

You think He has a divine body and human spirit?

Hint:
You're using "Nature" in the wrong context. It's not divine and human, it's spirit and flesh.

His divine nature is Spirit

His human nature is flesh.

Anything other than that, and you'll have a Jesus who has 2 souls



"we call Mary The Mother of God."
---Nicole_Lacey

Scripture doesn't


What Is The Trinity
  
Not all "Trinity" deniers can be grouped together.

If you want today's version, the "3 Coeternal" Trinity, I reject that one too.

But if you want Athanasius' version, which states there are NOT 3 Eternals, but ONE Eternal, scripture supports that.

In doctrinal jargon, it all hangs on your definition of "Person"

Scripture never once says "One God in 3 Persons", so the "3 persons" crowd needs to define "Person"

If you have 3 Eternals, you have a false god


Love Thy Neighbor
  
"James
Didn't his actions exemplify the command, "Love thy neighbor"? The beaten man was not being a Good neighbor to the Samaritan, but he was being treated like a neighbor by the Samaritan"

---David

no, the Samaritan was not fulfilling the "Love thy neighbor" command, he was simply displaying the mercy of God.

In that way, he proved himself to be a neighbor.

Romans 5:8 says that God displayed His love toward us in that while we were yet sinners Christ died for us.

Not while we were neighbors, or friends, but enemies.


Love Thy Neighbor
  
Many here need to see the context in which "love thy neighbor" was written

Leviticus 19:18
You shall not take vengeance, nor bear any grudge against the sons of your people, but you shall love your neighbor as yourself


Sons of your people = neighbor

And the command was to love your neighbor AS YOURSELF

Not simply love your neighbor, but as you love yourself.


Love Thy Neighbor
  
it's anyone who may need your acts of righteousness.

---David on 5/24/15


That's where you're departing from scripture. Jesus never, never, ever called the guy in need a neighbor. Not once.

The one who helped was the neighbor.

You have it exactly backward.

Neighbor = friend, and it was an OLD Testament thing.

Nowadays, in the NEW Covenant, we're brothers because of the Spirit of grace


Love Thy Neighbor
  
David,
You're a few degrees off in your understanding of what I've been saying. And as we go longer, every scenario takes you further distance from what I've said.

Go back to 5/7 and 5/12

Read what I've said previously


Habitually Sinning Problems
  
The best way to stop habitually sinning is...

Stop worrying about doing this and that wrong. You will NEVER be free from a behavior as long as you keep reminding yourself about it.

Trying is futile, that's a fleshly endeavor.

STOP trying, and trust the mercy of God. Believe upon Jesus Christ, and hope on Him


Love Thy Neighbor
  
David,
you've deserted the context of the original question....

Does "love thy neighbor" include giving money to charity, or just people you know?

The context is giving money, and the command to love your neighbor is used out of scriptural context.

A naighbor isn't simply a guy holding a cardboard sign, a charity, or even your brother-in-law.

Neighbor = believer

neighbor is not synonymous with victim


Saved Person Commits Suicide
  
"It was his choice to take his own life, not God's.
Thou shall not kill, even your own life."

---Lawrence on 5/19/15

Ummm,

Where do we find in scripture the part you're adding?

Don't kill or else hell?

do you eat animals while they're still alive? Maybe you catch them sleeping and only bite a chunk out of the leg?

You're ridiculous, Lawrence.


Saved Person Commits Suicide
  
"There is a difference between THE FAITH, and FAITH. To fall away from THE FAITH, is to fall away from the doctrines of the faith. No one is saved by doctrines to begin with. People can be taught THE FAITH without ever having personal faith."
---kathr4453 on 5/18/15

That's a good point. But these passages don't have to be relegated to a hypothetical scenario, or assigned to "spurious" faith.

When we do that, we're simply agreeing as to the fate of such person.

There isn't a single warning passage which mentions hell


Saved Person Commits Suicide
  
"Have you not read the warning to christians about backsliding and falling away from the faith (one must have faith to begin with in order to fall away, eh?).

Have you not read about sinning no more? Or the Parable of the Sower?"

---Steveng on 5/15/15

I'm really curious.....

Where does Hebrews mention anyone going to hell?

Where does the parable of the soils/sower mention anyone going to hell?


Where does any "warning" passage mention hell?


Helping The Poor
  
"It is better to do good deeds for the wrong reason then not to do them at all."
---learner2 on 5/15/15

Sounds cute, but not biblical.

Like when Jesus told of the Pharisee who stood and prayed to himself....
"I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all i get" (Lk 18:12)

He was doing good things, clearly with the wrong motives.

And Jesus wasn't kind about it.


Love Thy Neighbor
  
"The point was going to make with James was both the Samaritan and the one he helped, were the neighbors."
---David

Where does scripture say that?


"How can you be neighborly, unless the one you are being neighborly too, is also your neighbor?"
---David

I'm really not fond of emotional, philosophical rhetoric. Much better to stick with scripture. But...

It's similar to how you can be a good friend to someone who is not a good friend.


As I stated previously, OT classifications were Neighbor, Stranger, Enemy

The related to Israel. And NT doesn't even use the word Neighbor, except to quote or reference the OT


Love Thy Neighbor
  
David,
your scenario is similar to the story Jesus told about the Samaritan who helped the one who was robbed.

But, unbeknownst to the "love thy neighbor" crowd...

Jesus never called the victim a neighbor,the SAMARITAN was the neighbor

He specifically asked which one was the neighbor, and the options were the 3 who weren't the victim


Love Thy Neighbor
  
Trav,
good post, brother.

What I noticed in OT is a division -
neighbor, stranger, enemy

It related to the tribes, and how they related to each other, those aliens among them, and those around them

Neighbor was presumed to be a believer, one who was friendly to the tribes

Now believers are brothers


Helping The Poor
  
David...
Right on, man. People are absolute being confused. Law or no Law?

They're taught that they're not under the Law, then they are told to come to "the House of God", go into an inner sanctuary, pray in front of an altar, pay tithes, obey 9 commandments...

Don't get tattoos, observe a Sunday Sabbath-like rest

Good grief, someone is accursed for the oil and water gospel they're preaching


Love Thy Neighbor
  
Look up neighbor in a concordance, and see the OT usage versus NT. Remember that the NT began when Jesus died - NOT Matthew 1:1

Now look up brother and compare the same.

Old Testament neighbor became New Testament brother.

In other words, a believer.

God NEVER commanded us to give money to unbelievers, and a Muslim or Buddhist is not a neighbor to a Christian



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