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How To Properly Tithe
  
learner2:

You said: StrongAxe, Calvin murdered people he disagreed with, and he of all people was predestined for salvation.

No. Calvin believed he was predestined for salvation. Many people have false beliefs, and his were (I believe) quite misguided in that regard, especially his actions. The fact that you say "murder", something we should DEFINITELY not do, is very telling.

Nevertheless, as I mentioned to Nicole_Lacey about Judas on another blog, who knows? Maybe he ACTUALLY was saved, and sinned horribly by murdering heretics, but was nevertheless forgiven of those sins. I don't separate wheat from tares. That's God's job, and we are foolish to try to second-guess him.


Sabbath A Day Of Worship
  
john9346:

Isaiah 66:23 speaks of cycles (from one week to the next, from one month to the next), not of specific days. Will people make weekly, or even monthly trips to the holy mountain? The air traffic problems would be horrendous, especially since you would have to arrive before Friday sunset, and not leave until Saturday evening.

Again, back to the subject of this blog: Yes, the Sabbath was given and celebrated, but it NOT as a "day of worship" as such. Who worshiped whom on day 7 in Genesis 1? There is absolutely no mention of worship there.


Pyramids Survive Flood
  
Nicole_Lacey:

You said: Priest can get married, but Peter said no.
The RCC realized the WISDOM of Paul's Advice not to marry.


Where did Peter say no? Not in the Bible, anyway.

It's also odd that Peter (who was married, because he had a mother-in-law) would tell others not to marry. Maybe this says a lot about mothers-in-law?

Also, the same Paul who said it was better not to marry, ALSO said that a bishop should be a "man of one wife". The first was general advice, while the second was specifically for congregation leaders. Isn't it contradictory then for a church to teach the exact opposite (i.e. it's good for lay people marry, but for church leaders not to)?


Sabbath A Day Of Worship
  
john9346:

You said: I am not sure how asking someone to define there terminology is interpreted to be judging...

The Bible is somewhat vague about what, exactly, "worship" means. When I say that I mean by it exactly as much (and as little) as the Bible means, why do you ask for more specific details? If you feel the need to challenge me on this, you must also feel the need to challenge the Bible on it first, and there I cannot help you.

But the SDA constant discussion of this subject (evidenced by how many blogs here seem to be either devoted to this subject, or hijacked to discussing this subject) shows that they consider it EXTREMELY important, and one cannot help but judge those who don't.


Pyramids Survive Flood
  
Samuelbb7:

You wrote: By the way Peter could not be a pope. He was married.

The rule about celibate priests came relatively late. It was instituted to prevent priests from establishing family dynasties.


Nicole_Lacey:

You said: Either they trust the men GOD appointed to combine the Bible into a nice book or they don't.

A more phrasing would be "trust men who CLAIM God appointed them" or "trust men PRESUMED to be appointed by God", since we don't have God's direct word on translators or church councils. The scriptures contain no index or "list of scriptures", and quoting from them isn't enough (e.g. Jude quoted from Enoch, and Paul quoted from pagan philosophers).


List Of Christian Martyrs
  
Nicole_Lacey:

You said: NO! Judas proved you can be Saved and no longer.

Proved? How so? According to OSAS, Judas may have been saved, then sinned (but was forgiven), nevertheless felt guilt and committed suicide, but was nevertheless still saved and went to heaven. There is nothing in scripture that said what happened to Judas AFTER he died.

(Again, I am not saying this is necessarily true, merely pointing out the flaw in the logical argument).


Sabbath A Day Of Worship
  
Nicole_Lacey:

You said: Strongaxe, Jesus also said in John 6 that the Bread and Wine is TRULY HIS BODY AND BLOOD.

This connection is merely in subtance, not in form. To visual inspection, they are still bread and wine. Jesus said "I am the vine", yet he did not suddenly change into wood. He was the vine metaphorically, not biologically.

You don't believe Him

When have I ever said that?

That Whatsoever includes having Sunday as our Sabbath day.

The day of worship, but NOT the Sabbath. The Sabbath has alway been from sundown Friday until sundown Saturday. The name for "Saturday" in most European languages is either after the Roman god Saturn, or after the Sabbath.


Pyramids Survive Flood
  
Cluny:

You wrote: Nicole, there's a big difference between King James VI of Scotland and I of England, on the one hand, and the Bible translation he sponsored (called the Authorized version in the UK) on the other.

Actually, they are one and the same person holding two different offices.

From Wikipedia:

James VI and I (19 June 1566 27 March 1625) was King of Scotland as James VI from 24 July 1567 and King of England and Ireland as James I from the union of the Scottish and English crowns on 24 March 1603 until his death. The kingdoms of Scotland and England were individual sovereign states, with their own parliaments, judiciary, and laws, though both were ruled by James in personal union.


Sabbath A Day Of Worship
  
Nicole_Lacey:

You said: Gordon, I observe Sunday as my Sabbath with Scripture reference. Matthew 16:18-19

Matthew 16:18-19:
And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

All these say is that Jesus gave Peter authority. There is no scripture that establishes Sunday as the Sabbath.


Sabbath A Day Of Worship
  
john9346:

You said: You are attempting to disproove the Weekly Sabbath based upon words that in context of Scripture prooves you wrong
see Genesis 2:1-3, Exodus 20:8-11, Deuteronomy 5:12-15.


What do you mean by "disprove"? I have not said the Sabbath isn't there. I have just been saying that it was a day of rest, NOT a day of worship.

Genesis 2:1-3, Exodus 20:8-11, Deuteronomy 5:12-15 all say a lot about rest, but NOTHING about worship.

Besides, Paul said that we should allow nobody to judge us based on which days we consider holy. Why do you judge me (and others) about the Sabbath?


Caveman Before Adam
  
jerry6593:

You said: Here is the pre-flood diet: Gen 1:29 ... Do you think God made a mistake?

Well, he DID change his mind, because AFTER the flood, he permitted Noah to eat clean animals.

We're currently under Jesus's covenant, not Moses's, and not Adam's. How far back in time do you want to go?

And isn't it odd how the only 8 righteous people on the planet were meat-eaters, while all the wicked ones God destroyed were vegetarians?


Sabbath A Day Of Worship
  
john9346:

As I keep saying, "worship" is conspicuously absent from that definition. Why don't YOU provide YOUR biblical definition (chapter and verse).


Gordon wrote: On the Sabbath Day, which is to be kept Holy, as per EXODUS 20:8, that is the time to worship GOD.

And other times are not? Also, I notice the total absence of the word "worship" in Exodus 20:8.

Besides: Romans 14:5:
One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

And: Colossians 2:16
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:


Sabbath A Day Of Worship
  
john9346:

And for the third time, I answer - that I mean whatever the Bible means by it. If you find this answer vague, that means you find the Bible itself vague, and I cannot help you.

All these statements establishes a Weekly Sabbath Day Commandment.

Yes, "the sabbath", but NOT "weekly sabbath worship".

The meanings of "qadash" come from "be separate". They speak of a purity and dedication from separation, not from any kind of "religious" function per se.

Tell me where the Bible gives a dictionary definition of the word "qadash", or any other word. This is why we have concordances, dictionaries, etc.


List Of Christian Martyrs
  
Trav:

You said: Truth will always feel hostile to arrogant falsehood.

Yes, this is very true. Jesus himself said that his disciples would be persecuted, because the world hates the truth.

Who is hostile here? Which of us uses ad-hominem attacks to attack others, rather than speaking to the issues they raise, in an effort to denigrate them, and thus weaken the arguments they present?

You could succeed as a defender if you provided scripture to back your position. Otherwise you are just a hostile weakened opinion.

Whenever I post here, I spend twice as much time cutting text to fit the artificial 125-word limit as I do composing. If I can't give you details you want, blame the site administrators.


Sabbath A Day Of Worship
  
john9346:

You said: there are Specific Sabbaths for the Holidays, but they are all spelled out...

Precisely. This is NOT talking about the weekly Sabbath, which is the topic of this blog.

I am still waiting for your definition of worship?

I already said I mean it the same way the Bible means it. If you don't know what THAT means, I can't help you.

So qadash (set apart) in Biblical Context does not mean what it means which is worship

Please show me where you get the idea that "qadash" means "worship". "qadesh" and "qedeshah" (same root) mean "dedicated temple prostitute". The root meaning is "separate". Google it.


Did David Go To Heaven
  
anthony:

You asked: Now I'm wondering about Genesis 2:24 One man, one woman, and how is it that God seemingly condones polygamy as in the verses given prior in this blog?

There are several places where "one man one woman" is good, but none where "one man two women" is bad. Many patriarchs had multiple wives, but were not condemned by prophets who condemned other sins. Paul said bishops should be "men of one wife", which would not be necessary if ALL Christian men should be "of one wife".

Monogamy was common among Jews 2000 years ago and Christians later, but you won't find commandments to that effect in the Bible. Perhaps it's because God doesn't hate it as much as society does?


List Of Christian Martyrs
  
Trav:

You said: Ha. So your "apostolic" guys are all Israel? All the Apostles were.

Apostolic succession is passed by laying on of hands and conferring of authority, back to the first apostles of Jesus, not by genetic descent from Aaron, which was the way priesthood was transferred in Israel. These are two different covenants, with different priesthoods.

Which house do they claim? Judah or the Northern House of Ten?

Neither, because the two covenants are totally different.

By marks are your "successors" are known. And their spawn.

Your hostile tone indicates that you are just interested in accusation, rather than honest discussion.


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Cluny:

I said: (and the new specifically warns about those who forbid eating of meat).

You said: The Greek word in this verse, gevma, is the generic word for "foods". KREAS, or flesh of animals, is not used.

If this meant all food, it would make no sense, because anyone who taught others to never eat or drink anything would soon have no followers (and, if he followed his own teachings, would not be around long either). (Nevertheless, look up breatharianism.)

If this meant certain specific kinds of foods, like "thou shalt not eat pork" or "thou shalt not eat broccoli", the point I made would apply just as well.


Sabbath A Day Of Worship
  
john9346:

You asked: Have you not read Leviticus 23:2 noticed the words Holy Convocations (speaks of gatherings).

Leviticus 23:2:
Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the feasts of the Lord, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my feasts.

I.e. special holy days, NOT weekly sabbaths

StrongAxe and Cluny would you please provide your definition of worship?

I use the same definition the Bible uses. If anyone uses a different definition, HE should provide it.

Exodus 20 8 and 11 Leviticus 23:2 the Hebrew Word qadash is worship qadash is sacred.

QDSH means holy, i.e. set apart, NOT worship



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