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Favorite Translation Of Bible
  
michael_e:

Unfortunately, there are many different groups of people who have different ideas of what different bible passages mean, which means they must necessarily have different ideas about HOW they interpret the Bible. Can you show an unambiguous biblically-defined method for just HOW one "rightly divides" the word, that everyone can agree upon?


Favorite Translation Of Bible
  
michael_e:

400 years is only 1/5 of NT history, and a much smaller part of OT history. Also, the KJV has been revised several times. The original even contained the Apocrapha (which most Protestants currently disavow).

One reason changes are made is because the English language is constantly evolving, and phrases that mean one thing today may mean something else 50 years from now. Translation renders the original languages in the idioms of the day, and as idioms change, the translations must also change, if they are to be understood by people of the day.

The assumption that English-speaking Christians are the most spiritual is a common conceit held by English speakers.


Ten Commandments Historical
  
Samuelbb7:

You wrote: So what is the big difference? I know does anyone else know this doctrine?

The difference is that in judgement, as it is universally understood, the one who is judged stands before the one who is doing the judging, evidence is weighed, and a sentence is proclaimed. It's all done face to face, and in real time. There is no matter of some unseen judge, sitting around in some hidden place, mulling over evidence for hundreds of years, while the one being judged sits around, gets old, and dies, without the judgment ever actually being rendered. The ONLY people who believe in the latter model are the SDA.


Ten Commandments Historical
  
Jerry6593:

Loving your neighbor does NOT nullify 10C, just makes them unnecessary. E.g. if you believe stealing is wrong, don't need explicit rules to not steal money, not steal cars, not steal food, etc.

Claiming to love someone by killing them is no more legitimate than medieval inquisitors believing that torturing sinners to death to encourage repentance was God's will.

You are so RIGHT ON!

WHICH sins would those be, that 10C prohibits, but "Love your neighbor" permits?

Investigative Judgment (that only SDAs believe) is retconning why Jesus did not return in 1844. He has had 2000 years to judge. Why would he wait 1800 years and then "return" from one part of heaven to another?


Set Free From Demons
  
Cluny:

If you prefix the original question with "I want to know", you get a valid sentence.

When complaining about someone spelling or grammar, one should be sure one's own spelling and grammar are correct (i.e. What does "What you up up" mean?). Saying incorrect spelling or grammar makes one look childish means your own incorrect spelling or grammar would therefore make YOU look childish. Don't dish out reproof unless you're willing to be subject to similar reproof in similar circumstances.

Generally, complaints about spelling or grammar are petty and irrelevant, unless spelling or grammar are actually being discussed, or if a post cannot be understood without addressing its spelling or grammar.


How Did Life Begin
  
David:

Some things about DNA suggest random mutation rather than deliberate design, e.g. two fused human chromosomes, and why humans and other species contain inactive DNA fragments from extinct viruses. It would be like a Ferrari containing Model T parts inside that weren't connected to anything.


Jerry6593:

I admit that I don't know things that the Bible doesn't explicitly state, rather than presumptuously claiming that I can read what God didn't see fit to write between the lines.

Agnostic?! If you want to fling mud, why should Christians listen to (let alone vote for) a president who is an unrepentant adulterer and demonstrable liar, whose favorite "Christian" verse is "an eye for an eye"?


Ten Commandments Historical
  
Samuelbb7:

I heve never maintained that because we are no longer under the Law, we are free to lie, cheat, steal and murder "because I don't want to live like Jesus" - . Anyone who follows his Two Commandments ALREADY refrains from these things WITHOUT needing to be told each one specifically.

When we are children, we are given rules like "don't play in the street" and "don't put a fork in the toaster". As adults, we no longer NEED those rules because we ALREADY know not to do those things, and why.

(Steveng: How is fornication "unnatural"? Since animals don't marry, 99.9999% species on the planet reproduce only that way).


How Did Life Begin
  
john9346:

If you look at the many different species, especially when arranged in a tree, you can see close resemblances between them. The DNA sequences in such species are also very similar to each other. One curious thing is that apes have 24 chromosome pairs, while humans have only 23 - but one human chromosome has and "end of string" sequence in the middle of it - which is consistent apes and humans having common ancestry, but two human strands somehow getting joined together at some point during reproduction and occasional mutation, but makes no sense from the point of view of deliberate design, unless God was deliberately trying to deceive us.


Ten Commandments Historical
  
Steveng:

Who defines what is natural and what isn't? One thing that is apparent from the design of human beings (and other living things) is that they are extremely adaptible, and many parts are used for multiple purposes. As the joke goes, "The human body must have been designed by a civil engineer. Who else would run a toxic waste pipeline through a recreational area?". The mouth is used for eating, breathing, speaking, kissing, and (if you're careful), opening bottles.

Besides, opening a jar of pickles with your toes probably isn't natural either, but there's no biblical prohibition against it.

The question was - are we forbidden those things Cluny mentioned, and if so, what biblical reason can you give for why?


How Did Life Begin
  
john9346:

Yes, I know the theory that the earth had a cloud canopy like Venus, that blocked radiation, and percipated during the flood. This would make all carbon dates before the flood seem older.

Genetic evidence suggests species are related. Many contain spurious organs and unused DNA more consistent with evolutionary steps than one single creation event with built-on legacy artifacts whose sole purpose is to falsely suggest evolution.

Optic evidence is consistent with stars being very far away. It is unlikely that God faked approaching light just to fool us into believing that.


micha9344: Genesis says "evening". NOW that means sunset, but what did it mean before there was even a sun to set?


How Did Life Begin
  
Samuelbb7:

Yes, keeping the seventh day is a MEMORIAL. Memorials specifically reproduce some aspects of the original event to bring them to mind - they do NOT replicate all the aspects of the original.

What I have constantly stated on these blogs, with regards to the times in Genesis, is that "I don't know". I don't presumptuously insist that they were thousands or millions of years, only that Genesis doesn't say, so that those who INSIST that they were 24 hours long also do so presumptuously.

But not a salvation issue.

Agreed! So many people choke on gnats while swallowing camels.


How Did Life Begin
  
Jerry6593:

Which words, EXACTLY, did God say? One possibility is "Let amoebas be. Let oaks be. Let rabbits be. ... (several million sentences) ... Let humans be." Another possibility is "Here are rules for formation of particles, atoms, and molecules. Let these give forth all manners of life."

The Bible does not say which of these it was, yet you presume to know. It frequently uses 'day' for different lengths of time, yet you presume to know which.

"Heavens and earth declare the glory of God". There is ample evidence in our genes, in the rocks, and in the sky that show things have been around for much longer than 6021 years. Why would God go to great lengths to elaborate fake that?


How Did Life Begin
  
David:

I consider evolution plausible, not definite. Where have I rejected God's version? Genesis does not say HOW God created. It says he did, but gives no specific scientific details.

Also, how can you prove God's version?

By their very definitions, one could consider ANY supernaturalistic creation story to be "logical", whether Christian, Greek, Norse, or Hindu. Each claims to be true, and if you take one's word for it, you must take another's word for it by the very same reasoning. (Hence, the "reductio ad absurdum" theory of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.) How can you know which one of them is REALLY true? You must rely on OUTSIDE evidence.


How Did Life Begin
  
Miracles are supernatural events with natural consequences. "Let there be light" would be meaningless without the illuminating properties of light. Raining fire on Sodom would be useless without the natural destructive properties of fire.


David:

Evolution takes millenia. Evidence that it doesn't happen in years proves no more than a video of one day in the life of a child proves humans don't reproduce.


Jerry6593:

Ex 20:11 or PS 33:6,9 say God created (which I don't dispute). Neither mentions HOW.


Ten Commandments Historical
  
barb:

Note that in Rev. 22:7-21 that you quoted, righteousness is opposed to injustice, indicating that the two are opposites.

In Spanish, the word for "righteousness" is "justicia" - i.e. "righteousness" and "justice" use the same word. Even if we don't have a good idea of what "righteousness" means, as it's a word not used much these days except when quoting the Bible, we should all have a fairly good idea of what "justice" means.


Normal Christian Lifestyle
  
kathr4453:

Yes, they do tend to do that. However, if you look at the list of all blogs, new ones tend to show up at the top left corner.

It's no big thing. I was just curious. Whenever I post a reply to any blog, I like to see if anyone has commented on it, and if such comments are worth replying to. This is why I have bookmarked my blog page, so I can see all the blogs I've commented on recently. (Ones that haven't been commented on for a long time have likely expired anyway, as nobody can see them in the "recent blog posts" page.)

Steveng: I'm not here every day either, but I know you've been here frequently in the 8 months since you posted on this topic.


How Did Life Begin
  
David:

Primitive proteins and amino acids have been seen spontaneously forming out of primordial gases under primitive circumstances within only a few years. This includes bases for RNA, and primitive RNA sequences are capable of self-replication (i.e. viruses).

Have we seen that yet? No. However, given that the basics are there within observable time, this is now "at least plausable", rather than "a snowball's chance in hell".

Why haven't you brought up the Fruit Fly?

What about the Fruit Fly? Please enlighten me.


Jerry6593:

Again, the Bible does NOT get into details about how God created. Why do you INSIST that you KNOW how he DIDN'T do it, if you don't know how he DID?


Normal Christian Lifestyle
  
Trav:

Boyfriend? REALLY?!?

What animosity? I wondered why anyone would start a blog but then never re-visit it - this could apply to anyone, and it's a perfectly valid, non-judgmental question.

How about animosity people like you and Jerry often show towards other professing Christians, like myself, Cluny, and others? You are constantly hurling condemnation at anyone who affiliates with any Christian denomination, while Jerry frequently stoops to ad hominem attacks - two things I strongly avoid (because of the Golden Rule).

Please cite how I revile and persecute you, and say evil against you, or anyone. On the contrary, I frequently ask Jerry to stop every time he personally insults me (which he does frequently).


How Did Life Begin
  
David:

Where ever did you get that idea?! The whole mechanism of natural selection, and evolution through mutation, is dependent on living things reproducing faithfully most of the time, and on rare occasions inexactly.

Creating living things is sophisticated. Creating living things that reproduce themselves is more sophisticated. Creating living things that can adapt to their surroundings and evolve into other kinds of living things is more sophisticated still. People who believe that God could not possibly have used evolution believe in less powerful God than those who believe he could have.


Jerry6593:

Please cite chapter and verse of how DNA was formed. You can't, because God doesn't say.



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