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Explain The Classic Creeds
  
Monk_Brendan:

You wrote: ... when certain people began preaching that you could only reach God if you followed their rules ...

But isn't that exactly what the RCC has been saying from time immemorial? That's what I remember being taught when I was a child.


Tattoos Are For Pagan
  
mike:

You wrote: the mark of the beast is enforced sunday worship

This is not possible for two reasons:
1) A mark is some kind of discernable feature (like a tattoo or similar). An enforced code of behavior is not a mark
2) There is no place on earth where it is illegal to buy unless you go to church on Sunday.

the pope has been pushing to legislate sunday worship.

And, when the Pope rules every country on the planet, your claim might be considered.

ikea has been fined 100s of thousands for opening on sunday in paris.

Sunday laws forbid buying or selling on SUNDAY but not other days, and do not force worship of anyone (e.g. the Beast) any time.


Science Conflicts With Bible
  
David:

You wrote: Who makes the clouds?

It doesn't matter - my point is that, through human influence, the weather is different than what it would have been without our influence - i.e. through our choices, we have controlled the weather. That doesn't give us the ability to create clouds, or atmosphere, etc. nor make us God.

That we can control it means must take responsibility for using that power. Making it rain over a wild fire is a good thing. Making it rain over Louisiana right now would be grossly irresponsible.


Jerry6593:

We may not be scientists competent to argue the merits, but we trust the 97% of scientists who ARE competent and say climate change is real.


How To Have Communion
  
Monk_Brendan:

You wrote: Because it isn't Christian, it cannot be Protestant. Islam is a totally different belief system (as you know), and has nothing to do with the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit we worship.

So what? Nicole_Lacey said: Name one Protestant Church assembly that is growing INSTEAD of declining. ONE. The RCC is the only one GROWING.

This supposedly legitimized the RCC because it was the only growing Christian group. I was merely using reductio ad absurdum to dispute the idea that church growth does not, in and of itself, confer legitimacy to that church.


Offering Basket Sent Twice
  
Nicole_Lacey:

I asked for a 3 bedroom house. You generously built 2 rooms I didn't ask for. Thank you! You fulfilled your part of the bargain wonderfully. Now here is mine (payment for 3 rooms, as agreed).

Under your analogy, what if those two rooms were secret rooms not otherwise visible, that I only discovered long after I had moved in?

Both render the bride unsuitable merchandice. The bride price penalty was to compensate the father for no longer being able to sell the bride to another man (for money, 7 years, or whatever)

Read OT marriage laws carefully. Laws about adultery, rape, compensation etc. treat women EXACTLY like property. Jews today may not, but the OT does.


Explain The Classic Creeds
  
Only God has the power to cast any creature to hell.

Oh? I thought the pope had the power to bind and loose things in heaven. Does he, or doesn't he?

God tell us who's in Heaven by Miracles.

I ask again, how can you tell the difference between post-mortem miracles attributed to a Christian saint and those attributed to a Hindu mystic? Either the latter don't indicate the person is in heaven (proving your theory unreliable), or he is, calling into question the Catholic theory of salvation. Which is it?


Tattoos Are For Pagan
  
But it proves there was a canon used by the Jews at Jesus' time.

Even if it did, it does not define what that canon WAS.

I so why would the Jew have to wait until 100 AD for a set of canons?

For the same reason Christians too many hundred years more, even though all books in it were written during the first century.


A Lucky Charm Bible
  
Not impress, but to SHOW we are Christians and NOT ASHAMED. A difference.

One only needs a simple sign, not a bible in the living room so large that it would cause a hernia to try and lift it.

I won't leave home without my ARTICLES of FAITH. Crucifix necklace, rosaries for prayer time.

Why does your faith depend on so many objects to be carried around with you at all times?

Dusty? We clean our homes. Usually fresh flowers are placed next to our Mint Clean Bible.

Why do you need to have a mint clean one?


Science Conflicts With Bible
  
David:

You wrote: If man can cause Global warming, doesn't this prove man can control the weather?

The ability to take a sledgehammer to destroy a chandelier does not prove you can create a chandelier.

If man can control the weather, can this not be more proof that there is no God?

We CAN already control weather (e.g. seeding clouds to make rain). If that proves there is no God, why do you still go to church? -- Because it DOESN'T prove there is no God.

That's how the unbelievers are twisting it.

No, all I've heard is paranoid believers who put such words into non-believers' mouths, and then attempt to destroy the straw man they themselves have created.


Give Up 501(c) 3 Status
  
Nicole_Lacey:

You wrote: Beggars were the exception. They were either blind or lame.

Many exceptions are not so obvious. For example, people with anxiety disorders who can work, but not consistently, so they eventually get fired from every job they take, and with that record, it's harder and harder to get work. Or mothers with children, who can't afford day care. They are left with the choices of not working, or of working and having CPS take their children on grounds of abandonment.

She gave me a FREE college education/ 2 meals a day/gas to college/ and a little money each quarter JUST IN CASE they FORGOT something. It's covered!

Congratulations! But I'm confused. I thought you were AGAINST welfare?


Offering Basket Sent Twice
  
Nicole_Lacey:

If I build a 5 bedroom house, unless there are contract provisions for overages, you fulfil your half by accepting my work and paying me for a 3 bedroom house. It's my own fault for wasting my money and building a 5 bedroom house. If I build only 2 bedrooms, you have a right to refuse.

Leah's innocence is irrelevant to contract law. She was the CHATTEL in the marriage contract. Her father committed fraud. If she is disadvantaged, she need to take it up with HIM.

In their CUSTOMS, Leah CAN'T marry any one else!

Under Leviticus, when a woman is so dishonored, does the man pay her compensation? NO - he pays her owner - her father. She gets nothing, because she is considered property.


Jesus Or Paul Teachings
  
Jerry6593:

You wrote: Jesus said "Think not that I have come to destroy the Law". Paul said "you are not under the Law". Which do you believe? How do you reconcile them?

The same way you interpret ALL writing - by looking at the context, e.g. to whom the writings were addressed. The Law was given by God to ISRAEL. Jesus came to preach to ISRAEL, who were under the Law. Paul was the apostle to the GENTILES, who were NOT under the Law. In some of his writings he clearly distinguishes between those who are under the Law, and those who are not. If you're Jewish, and live by the Covenant of Moses, you are required to keep all 629 commandments of the Law of Moses. If you're not Jewish, you don't have to.


Explain The Classic Creeds
  
Nicole_Lacey:

You showed that I was wrong, and taught me something too, for which I thank you.

Also to give good tidings and announcing Jesus' Birth and God's plan.

Different angels are delegated different powers. My point is that sometimes God delegates his various powers and authorities to subordinates, and trusts them to use them appropriately. Isn't this the very root of the RCC's claim to legitimacy, that Jesus granted Peter the authority to declare anything in heaven and have it happen on earth, and that power has been passed down to the popes? If a pope points a finger and damns someone to hell, is that binding, or not? If not, he has no authority. If so, he has the power to convict. Which is it?


Tattoos Are For Pagan
  
Nicole_Lacey:

Luke did not enumerate WHICH scriptures those were. Also, Jesus pointed out all scriptural references to himself, but it doesn't say he also quoted from books that didn't talk about him (e.g. Esther, Tobit, Judith, Susanna and the Elders, etc.). One can conjecture all one wants whether those were canon, but Luke 24:27 won't answer one way or other.

Sola Scriptura isn't MY Theory. I have been criticizing it for years.

The big problems with traditions are they cannot be corroborated (i.e. they witness to themselves), and they are subject to continuous mutation as they are passed down. At least scriptures only mutate when copied. We have manuscripts thousands of years old, but few witnesses over a century.


Science Conflicts With Bible
  
David:

It hasn't happened since we've been recording weather. Whether or not we are THE primary cause of it, or just a contributing cause, is irrelevant. If a person has lung cancer, you tell him not to smoke, regardless of whether smoking caused the lung cancer, or if it was caused by some other factor.

since they call it "Global" warming, and I'm not feeling its effects, it's really not so Global, is it?

The globe, itself, on average, is getting warmer. That is no guarantee that EVERY spot on the globe is getting warmer. That's what average means.


A Lucky Charm Bible
  
Nicole_Lacey:

It is dangerous to draw specific conclusions from sparse data. In this case, it was a 12 year old Turkish Muslim boy working for ISIS. It's fair to say "ISIS is evil". But from this incident, it would be presumptuous to extrapolate "all Muslims are evil" or "all Turks are evil" or "all boys are evil" or "all 12 year olds are evil".


There are many people, Christians and not, who use bibles and crosses as magic talismans based on superstition rather than faith. Some even use it for political gain (Trump's favorite part is "eye for eye" and quotes "Two Corinthians". Clearly he hasn't read any of it, even though it's his favorite book now.)


Give Up 501(c) 3 Status
  
Nicole_Lacey:

Most people at the bottom of the social ladder, who can't afford enough food, also can't afford day care, cars, etc. Our society is much more spread out than things were 2000 years ago. Do you walk to the grocery store? Would you be capable of walking?

I know of one charitable food distribution center nearby, and it's a 5+ mile walk round trip. It would be exhausting to walk that in 100+ degree weather, especially carrying a full load of groceries one way. Even harder or a mother with several young children, who couldn't afford day care. Hard to carry groceries while kids are running loose.

Paul said "If someone WILL not work, he should not eat". He did not say "if someone CANNOT work".


Offering Basket Sent Twice
  
Nicole_Lacey:

He didn't until he consummated the marriage.

Marriage contracts are ESTABLISHED before the marriage ceremony (if any) and the consummation. They are only finalized afterwards. Jacob had a contract with Laban where he would work for 7 years, and in return, would receive Rachel as a wife. There was no agreement at all for Leah - that was forced on him after the fact.

Stick to the fish and steak scenario.

Apples and oranges. She was wearing a veil. It's obvious he COULD have told the difference if he saw her face. Ergo, he COULDN'T see her face.


Jesus Or Paul Teachings
  
Nicole_Lacey:

You wrote: Not funny, or classy.

I was not attempting to be funny, nor classy. It was reductio ad absurdum.

No "humane" anything when killing people.

Yet you extol PETA, who euthanizes 97% of their rescues. If butchering people just to get rid of htem isn't humane, how is butchering animals for the same reason? PETA kills most of their rescues - usually without even attempting to place them, yet they cry moral outrage at people eating tuna. Hypocrisy.

They are more innocent than Job's kids.

Which makes it totally OK for the most just being in the universe to allow their murder just on a bet?


How To Have Communion
  
Nicole_Lacey:

Mandated attendance is in the 'Whatsoever' in Matthew 16:19 and BINDING in Heaven.

We have only the RCC's word Peter conveyed this authority to his successor. Popes are dead when their successors are chosen.

Obviously you never been to a RCC or Orthodox Mass John 6 all over it.

I was raised RCC, and attended mass for 18 years. Eucharist is about spiritual union with God. John 6 was about hungry people having lunch. NOT the same (and Paul warns people who are hungry to eat at home and not corrupt the Lord's Supper).

By 2050: Christians: +31.4%, Muslims +29.7%. Catholics are gaining because they typically have more children. Muslims are gaining in Israel for the same reason.



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