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Ten Commandments Historical
  


john & riolin: What denominations are you that teach disobedience to the Law?

Jesus says:

Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

If there were no Law, then there would be no sin (1John 3:4). If there is no sin, then there is no need for a Savoir. Maybe you don't need Jesus, but I do.





Ten Commandments Historical
  


David: "I guess the Law is for everyone else, but not for them."

Your logic is hard to argue against. Some claim that all they need do is "love" their neighbors, and that nullifies the Ten Commandments. But some murderers claim to "love" their victims, and many adulterers do as well.



Nicole: "because they want to excuse their sins"

You are so RIGHT ON!



riolin: The Investigative Judgement is a BIBLICAL doctrine (Dan 7:9,10, Jas 2:12), and there's nothing "egregious" about the Bible.





How Did Life Begin
  


About Carbon 14:

C14 is indeed GREAT evidence - but not for evolution. Classical C14 measurement is indeed highly innacurate, with a broad statistical peak and tends to greater innacuracy with sample age. That is because it uses a simple geiger count method for determining the proportion of C14. Accelerator Mass Spectrometer measurements of C14 in fossils, on the other hand, is highly accurate, and gives a narrow statistical peak of ALL fossil ages at about 4,500 years BP - exactly in accordance with the biblical flood of Noah!



ax: You were describing President Bill Clinton, right?




How Did Life Begin
  


ax: "What I have constantly stated on these blogs, with regards to the times in Genesis, is that "I don't know"."

I believe you. There is a name for you - AGNOSTIC!

Why should we Christians listen to an admitted agnostic?


How Did Life Begin
  


ax: "Which words, EXACTLY, did God say? "

This is getting ridiculous!

Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and ALL that in them is

What part of ALL don't you understand?


"There is ample evidence in our genes, in the rocks, and in the sky that show things have been around for much longer than 6021 years."

Not True! There is ample evidence to the contrary. The rocks (e.g.) do not show long age deposition, but fiat creation in Polonium halos in granite, rapid flood burial of fossils, 4,500 year BP age of ALL fossils, etc.





How Did Life Begin
  


ax: "Ex 20:11 or PS 33:6,9 say God created (which I don't dispute). Neither mentions HOW."

None are so blind as those who will not see. In these two texts, anyone with normal reading and reasoning abilities can readily see two things:

1) How God did it was "by the WORD of His mouth".

2) How long it took was SIX DAYS.

These two facts directly refute your speculation that "God did it by creating Evolution" and "It took millennia to accomplish". Either God (and scientific evidence) is lying or you are. I'll go with God.

Heb 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God ...





Ten Commandments Historical
  


riolin: "In the Sabbath keepers belief, one must keep the law - exp. the 10 commandments to be saved."

NOT SO! I am a Sabbath keeper and I don't believe that obedience to the Law earns salvation. It is only by God's grace and Christ's infinite sacrifice for me that I have a chance to be saved. Because of Christ's love for me, I love Him enough to honor Him by obedience to His Ten Commandment Law. How does disobedience to His Law honor Him? He said:

Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

1Jn 2:3,4 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.




How Did Life Begin
  


ax: "Why do you INSIST that you KNOW how he [sic] DID it?"

You are either incapable of reading or incapable of retaining. Here is how I KNOW how He did it. He wrote with His own finger in stone:

Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

He inspired David to write:

Psa 33:6,9 By the word of the LORD were the heavens made, and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth. ... For he spake, and it was done, he commanded, and it stood fast.

God Himself declares that HIS Creation was a fiat event - not a multi-billion year accident.




Ten Commandments Historical
  


barb: Well said! How sad that many Christians think that Jesus came to save them from HIS Law rather than from their SINS (the transgression of His Law). If only these Christians would check the history of their respective denominations, they would find that their forebears did indeed promote the keeping of the Ten Commandments.

As for the deceptive deflection of the topic to legalism, some education is apparently needed. The Pharisees were not legalistic for keeping GOD'S Commandments, but rather for their insistence on keeping MAN'S commandments. This defiance of God's Law while substituting man-made variants such as "grace destroys Law" or "love is all you need" is indeed legalism.




Ten Commandments Historical
  


No one has yet addressed the core blog questions of the fundamental shift in denominational doctrine from adherence to the Ten Commandments to Antinomianism - the belief that Christians are exempt from the Law.

How about YOUR denomination, is it traditional or Antinomian?





How Did Life Begin
  



Why are so many Christians so INSISTENT that it COULD NOT have been via evolution?
---StrongAxe on 4/2/17

Because Christians believe Christ - not atheist College professors. Christ said that He created the heaven and the earth in 6 days. Darwin disagrees. Choose this day whom you will serve. If Christ be God, then follow Him.





Ten Commandments Historical
  


Cluny: "I'm railing against YOU, though sometimes you seem to confuse yourself with God."

You are really losing your grip on sanity. I never claimed to have written the Ten Commandments. God wrote them. He claims them.

Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep MY commandments.

Why do you rail so against God's Decalogue? Your Orthodox Denomination certifies the 10C. (Although you apparently agree with the Catholic Pope that he has the power to change God's law.)


Glory to the REAL Jesus Christ - the Author of the Ten Commandments.





How Did Life Begin
  


Cluny: "Don't you believe the same thing, Jerry--only you call your magic "God"."

No Cluny, I call God's creation SUPERNATURAL. You insist that creation happened slowly by God's having empowered NATURE with the MAGIC of creation. My explanation harmonizes with the Bible version. Yours contradicts it.



ax: "We're just quibbling over HOW he did."

There should be no quibble over HOW, as He told us HOW He did it in the Bible.

As for your silly rationalization over dependence in probabilistic computation, I can't wait for your theory of how the various chemical constituents made themselves "dependent".




How Did Life Begin
  


ax: "It's a plausible explanation."

NO, IT IS NOT!

Plausibility, like probability, has reasonable limits. I have shown you with mathematics that abiogenesis is not possible, yet you BELIEVE it is. The conclusion of the majority of scientists is that abiogenesis is impossible, yet you BELIEVE it is.

Similarly, neither you nor any academic professor can offer a plausible explanation for the Cambrian explosion, yet you BELIEVE that the myriad of life forms found therein magically appeared from nowhere.

You do not believe the Word of God Himself that He did it, yet you cling by blind faith to the ravings of the lunatic Darwin.





Ten Commandments Historical
  


Cluny: "But they are NOT found in the Deecalogue [sic], and you are insistent that this is ALL the Bible means by "the Law"."

You are losing it. I have told you before that are several meanings of "the law", ranging from the writings of Moses to the pull of the carnal nature. Christ Himself declares that the Decalogue is summarized by the two (OT) Love Laws. He personally certifies the Decalogue in Mat 5.

Why do you rail so against God's Decalogue? Your Orthodox Denomination certifies the 10C. (Although you apparently agree with the Catholic Pope that he has the power to change God's law.


Glory to the REAL Jesus Christ - the Author of the Ten Commandments.





How Did Life Begin
  


ax: All I hear from you is double-talk. Tell us one thing you know about Evolution that is true, scientific and testable. Also, please propose theories for naturalistic abiogenesis, the Cambrian explosion and missing transitional life forms in the fossil record. We'll be waiting.



Cluny: I believe you'll find that single cells do indeed have systems for assimilation, respiration, etc. They are extremely complex.





Ten Commandments Historical
  


Pro 28:4 They that forsake the law praise the wicked: but such as keep the law contend with them.

Pro 28:9 He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be abomination.


The concept that the rules for OT folks (or Jews) is different than those for us NT Christians is a false one. The NT Christians were mostly Jews, and no differences were recorded. The New Covenant and the two summary Love Laws are found in the OT and are quoted in the New. Jesus is indeed the Creator God who never changes found in the OT as well as the NT.

So why do so many dismiss Him and His Laws?




How Did Life Begin
  


David: You are making the Behe Mousetrap argument - that there exists a limit of irreducible complexity beyond which a system will not function. The axster refuses to answer your question because he has no answers, and as a liberal snowflake, he is not man enough to admit it.


ax: The generally accepted mathematical limit of possibility is 10^-50. The probability of the 206 bones assembling in the right order is on the order of 10^-240 - well beyond impossible. Now add in the 37 trillion cells in the human body and you have an extreme mountain of impossibility to climb.

You may cling to the god of random chance and his prophet Darwin if you like, but I'll stick with Jehovah and His prophet Moses.





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