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What Is Apophtatic Theology
  
Jerry6593:

You wrote: You seem to want to make every issue cloudy, confused, unclear and debatable, so that when you violate God's word it doesn't seem so bad.

Please show me WHERE I "violate God's word".

Look at the woman taken in adultery. Mosaic law was clear: she was to be stoned. Did Jesus cast the first stone? He could have. Yet he didn't, because the situation was more nuanced. Why was the man she was with not also being stoned? Nobody ever asks THAT question. Clearly the fact that the Pharisees were stoning her and not him indicates that something else was going on.

Genesis says creation took 6 days, but not now long those days were. WHERE did I say he didn't mean "thou shalt not?".


God Wakes Me Up
  
KBlystone:

You wrote: What's disturbing to me is the lack of "brotherly LOVE". Some are just plain rude and condescending.

Sadly, many people on here are more interested in pushing their own agenda and/or proving that they are right, than answering in love - and such attitudes drive people away. Paul rightly penned this scathing indictment to the church in Romans 2:24: For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you, as it is written.

(Also, note that this particular blog topic was abandoned - the last reply to it was 4 years ago today!)


What Is Apophtatic Theology
  
michael:

That is black-and-white thinking. If manuscripts are mostly reliable, and translations are mostly accurate, then the Bible is mostly the inerrant Word of God. Is that not sufficient? Paul said we see through a glass darkly. If we look through a blurry glass at something, no matter how perfect it is, our vision will be imperfect. If the original is slighty imperfect, it doesn't impact our already imperfect vision. If you are old and hard of hearing, a cassette sounds as good as a CD. If you're dying of thirst, dirty pond water tastes as good as distilled. People insist on unattainable perfection here, yet in every other aspect of life, imperfection is not only acceptable, it is the norm. The world is not a black and white place.


What Is Apophtatic Theology
  
michael_e:

Yes. You can't properly study Genesis 1:1 unless you can reliably know the original said "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth" and not "In the middle, Bob roasted weenies and beans" - both because the Hebrew words are essentially what existing manuscripts said they are, and that the Hebrew words there mean what scholars for thousands of years have said they mean. If we can't know "Elohim" means "God", for example, how can we possibly study this?

Note that scripture makes us wise by our studying it - not the other way around. We must FIRST know what scriptures actually are and what the words mean, before we can understand them.


Dead Spouse Benefit Tithe
  
Ben:

God judges us based on our own actions while we are alive, not on actions that others perform on our behalf, especially not after we are dead.


Cluny:

"He" and "she" specify gender, while "it" specifies non-personhood. In recent decades, due to political correctness, "they" has come into common use as a specifically gender-neutral third person singular pronoun. This is similar to how plural "you" was used in a singular context that happened a few centuries ago, and rendered "thou" totally obsolete. Something similar has occurred in Spanish - the second person plural "vosotros", while in use in Spain, is totally absent from Mexican Spanish.


What Is Apophtatic Theology
  
michael_e:

Google bible manuscripts and you should be able to find all you want to know about existing manuscripts.

The manuscripts have been copied many times, but despite this, and the slight differences between copies, the differences are surprisingly few. If one finds (say) a copy of a manuscript of the Gospel of John, it will be very close to identical to other existing manuscripts of the Gospel of John. As far as the Old Testament scriptures go, the Jews had very strict protocols for copying scripture. They counted the number of copies of every letter on every page, and double-checked that count on each copy. Copies in which even a single letter did not add up were destroyed as unreliable.


What Is Apophtatic Theology
  
Jerry6593:

You wrote: Sometimes overthinking a plain "thus saith the Lord" can lead to erroneous conclusions, as is the case with most higher criticism.

My position is not that "Spirit is feminine in Hebrew. Therefore, the Holy Spirit is a woman". Rather, it is that "Spirit is feminine in Hebrew. Therefore, absence any other definitive evidence, it is premature to say that the Holy Spirit is a man". I.e. that it is wrong for OTHERS to overthink it.

This is the same as my argument about the day length in Genesis 1 - I'm not saying it definitely isn't 24 hours, merely that the Bible does not dogmatically assert that it is.


What Is Apophtatic Theology
  
michael_e:

While we no longer have original manuscripts, we DO have copies that are fairly close. When we rely on those copies in the original languages, it's true we rely on the faithfulness of those copies, and our understanding of the languages involved.

However, when we rely on modern translations (like KJV - a 400 year old translation of documents thousands of years older), we rely on those PLUS the biases of the translators.

When you translate from one language to another, there is always some information loss. For example, since English is a language almost without gender (i.e. it now exists only on 3rd person singular pronouns and nowhere else), most gender information from original sources is lost.


What Is Apophtatic Theology
  
Jerry6593:

You wrote: First of all, there is NO extant original Greek and Hebrew text.

No, but there are many copies that are fairly reliable.

I am saying however that the Textus Receptus of the KJV is MUCH MORE RELIABLE than the Sinaiticus, Vaticanus or Latin Vulgate source of the more modern translations. I thought you knew that.

So, tell us, what gender is "Holy Spirit" in the Textus Receptus?


What Is Apophtatic Theology
  
Cluny:

You wrote: Then why in Greek is "Agio Pnevmati" neuter?

Because different languages use different genders for the same word. Spirit is feminine in Hebrew, neuter in Greek. In German, "The table [she] is flat. The girl [it] is beautiful." because of grammatical rules.


Jerry6593:

Joh 16:13 Howbeit when HE, the Spirit of truth, is come...

Spirit is neuter in Greek. English translators changed it to masculine, but that is the bias of the translators, NOT of the original scripture. Original beats translation every time. Do you ever read the originals when questions of translation arise?


Still Call Themselves Sinners
  
barb:

You wrote: Kathr, no, I do not believe Peter was a false teacher. I believe he was the victim of an identity thief.

If you believe that someone stole Peter's identity to write the letters of Peter, does that mean you believe those are false teachings? If so, why are they in the bible in the first place?

If you believe some parts of the bible are inspired and others are not, how do you decide which parts are correct and which parts are error? For example, of Peter and Paul disagree, how can you tell which of them is right?


What Is Apophtatic Theology
  
john9346:

The Word of God no where states that the Blesses Holy Spirit is a female

In Hebrew, ruach (wind or spirit) is ALWAYS feminine. Look at ANY OT verse.
E.g. Genesis 1:2 "... and the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters."
Hebrew: "veruach (and [the] spirit of) elohim (God) marhefet (SHE moved) al-pnei (before, lit. '
to [the] face of') hamayim (the waters)".

the Lord God doesn't have a womb

God is frequently depicted as "giving birth". Males beget. Females give birth, and only with a womb.

Sir, with the utmost respect to you, do you really read the Word of God??

Yes, I do. Have YOU ever read it in the ORIGINAL languages?


What Is Apophtatic Theology
  
john9346:

Many languages (such as Hebrew and French) totally lack a neuter gender, and even objects have a gender. In all such languages that I know of (even English), the accepted practice is that when referring to a group of people of mixed gender or a group or individual of unknown gender, the masculine is always used. Thus, "she" is always feminine, but "he" can be either (e.g. "The driver of a vehicle must fasten his seatbelt").

God is sometimes referred to in a feminine context (Mt 23:37, Lk 13:34). The Holy Spirit has feminine gender. God has a womb and gives birth.

God says "I am not a man, that I should lie" but never says "I am not a woman" (per blog topic).


Doctrine Of Immaculate Conception
  
Jerry6593:

You wrote: The papacy (the Bishop of Rome) ruled supremely in Europe from 538 A.D. when the last of the Arian tribes was forced out of Rome and into oblivion, until 1798 A.D. when the French general Berthier took the pope captive, which history records a period of 1,260 years, as predicted in Scripture.

And just which scripture would that be?


Doctrine Of Immaculate Conception
  
Jerry6593:

I did not say we were, only that the RCC says we were. As IC is a RCC-only doctrine, it makes sense to discuss its own internal consistency totally within the confines of RCC theology, i.e. "Even if we assume RCC theology is totally correct, it must necessarily be internally inconsistent wih regards to IC".


More Finish It Here June 2017
  
Haz27:

You keep blathering about "puppet masters". I agree with the left in some things, and the right in others.

I do NOT defend "Left's Christian hating attacks". However, it is not Christians' duty or right to condemn the morality of non-Christians - just that of Christians, or at least claim to be so. They will be judged by their own laws. We will be judged by ours.

Is your obedience to Left such that you even support the "goodness" of LGBT lifestyle?

When have I ever said that? Please provide an exact quote (good luck with that).

So, bakers judge "innocent until proven guilty" - except when LGBT, then "guilty until proven innocent"?


More Finish It Here June 2017
  
Haz27:

What attack? If Christian bakers can refuse LGBT clients, they can refuse remarried divorcees, yet I have never heard of any doing so. Saying baking for LGBT clients violates Christian beliefs while NOT saying so for divorcees is blatant hypocrisy, as Jesus taught against divorce, yet never mentioned LGBT. LGBT bakers may refuse Christians, but only because Christians refused first. That may make them bigots, but not hypocrites.

Christians are required to uphold their own morality, regardless of whether others uphold their own.

The Christian Right these days tilts at windmills Jesus never spoke about, while ignoring his ACTUAL teachings.


Doctrine Of Immaculate Conception
  
Cluny:

You wrote: How did the Virgin Mary sin? Be specific, please.

The same way every other human being descended from Adam has done - it is inherited taint. The Catholics call this Original Sin.


More Finish It Here June 2017
  
Haz27:

You wrote: What concerns me though is your continual efforts to excuse or ignore the Left's Christian hating, PC thought policing.

Why should I answer your questions when you repeatedly ignore and evade mine, and instead repeat the same tired old platitudes over and over verbatim, like a broken record?


Greatest Threat To The World
  
Haz27:

You wrote: Its sad to see Lefties feigning outrage over Trump's tweets, etc yet they conveniently ignore or deflect from Left's baby slaughter, deviancy indoctrination of children, LGBT agenda, divisive identity politics, etc.

You keep saying almost exactly the same words in every post. I think your record player is broken.

Christians bakers refuse to bake cakes for LGBT couples "because it offends their religious beliefs", yet have no problem with baking them for remarried divorcees, as they're OK with that. The Religious Right is constantly waging war on subjects Jesus never mentioned, while ignoring things he condemned. Why is that?



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