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Are Churches Politically Corrrectc
  


ax: We are not talking about the 600+ ordinances written on parchment by Moses, but rather the Ten Commandments written by the finger of God in stone. Many such ordinances where prophecies of the substitutionary death of Christ as atonement for our sins ("the wages of sin is death"). These ordinances were FULFILLED on the cross, and are no longer needed, but the 10C are eternal ("they stand fast forever and ever" - Psa 89:34).

Pro 13:13 Whoso despiseth the word shall be destroyed: but he that feareth the commandment shall be rewarded.

What denomination are you that teaches that the 10C no longer apply to Christians?




How Did Life Begin
  


Cluny: Laws of biology and chemistry obey the laws of physics, but none of them can produce new life forms. In fact, the Bible definitively states that ALL Creation was supernatural in origin, as:

Psa 33:9 For he spake, and it was done, he commanded, and it stood fast.

Heb 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.





Are Churches Politically Corrrectc
  


ax: "the Law is now obsolete"

Then Jesus must have been lying when He said:

Mat 5:18,19 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

You think that "fulfilled" means brought to an end, but Jesus made it clear that we are to keep and teach the Commandments. What denomination are you? Most all major denominations teach that the 10C Law is still in effect.




How Did Life Begin
  


Cluny: "Do you understand the difference?"

Of course. But none of the laws of physics can accomplish creation of life, as Evolutionists assert. Gravity can't make animals! The Bible records Creation as a supernatural, 6-day event, not an ongoing flow of new life forms from the wellspring of physical forces.





How Did Life Begin
  


Cluny: According to Merriam-Webster, pantheism is "a doctrine that equates God with the forces and laws of the universe".

So it's really close, as is Theistic Evolution.





How Did Life Begin
  


Cluny: "God generally works thorugh natural laws that He Himself established."

Are you implying Pantheism - that God is just a force pervading all of nature? That seems to be at odds with the biblical quote from Josef below that:

"Things which are seen were not made of things which do appear."

Natural phenomena do not manifest themselves this way. As the scripture implies, one needs faith to understand the Creation.







Are Churches Politically Corrrectc
  


ax: "Did Jesus not fulfill the Law?" Yes, but "fulfill" does not mean "destroy". It means He fulfilled the obligation of the Law - the penalty - DEATH. Do you honestly believe that murder, theft, etc. are no longer sinful because Jesus died on the cross? If sin could be eliminated by legislative fiat, then Jesus need not have suffered and died to FULFILL its penalty.



Cluny: We've been over this ground before. The term "the law" can have any of several meanings in Scripture, from the writings of Moses to a principle of carnal temptation. You still don't seem to be able to distinguish them.




What Are Wages Of Sin
  


Cluny: "I believe the "death" referred to here is physical death."

You are adding to scripture. It only says:

Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

It is clear from the Scripture that death from sin is presented in contradistinction to eternal life. Thus to imply that the spirit of the sinful survives death because "only the body dies" does injury to the Word.




Are Churches Politically Corrrectc
  


ax: I see that you agree with the Pharisees rather than with Jesus. Pity.

The Sabbath Commandment is found in Exo 20:8-11. You will not find anything in it about fabrics or light switches. It has to do with your daily employment and keeping a weekly appointment with God on the day He chose to commemorate His Creation.

Here is how Jesus feels about His Ten Commandments:

Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: ...




Are Churches Politically Corrrectc
  


ax: "I follow the example of Christ and treat all days as equally holy"

Really? Jesus rejected the Pharisees' man-made restrictions on Sabbath observance and kept the Seventh-day Sabbath ONLY as holy. Sunday is likewise a man-made institution.

Isa 58:13 If thou turn away thy foot from the Sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on MY holy day, and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable, and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:

Psa 119:6 Then shall I not be ashamed, when I have respect unto ALL thy commandments.

Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep MY commandments.





Are Churches Politically Corrrectc
  

ax: So that's your final argument, eh (Canadian for huh)? The majority is always right? You might as well be a Muslim then as there are more of them, and besides, they also have a counterfeit worship day (Friday).

I guess the Catholic Church is right in its proclamation that SDA is the ONLY protestant denomination since it is the only one to follow Sola Scriptura on this subject.

One would think that a person who calls himself "Christian" would want to follow the example of Christ who established the Sabbath for mankind at Creation, commanded its sacred observance, and personally kept it while in human flesh. Isaiah tells us that we will even keep it in the earth made new. But you follow someone else.



Are Churches Politically Corrrectc
  


ax000: "There is no record of Paul keeping anything."

Must you always show your ignorance of the Bible?

Act 17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,

Act 13:42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.

Act 13:44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.


Why do you try so hard to disobey God? Do you think He is going to change and accept your doctrine?





Are Churches Politically Corrrectc
  


ax0: "Then why would Paul say "some keep all days equally holy"?"

Because he was talking about feast days - not the weekly Sabbath Day.

Answer yourself this: Why, if all days were to be held in equal esteem, is there no record of Jesus, Paul, or any of the disciples keeping any day holy other than the Sabbath? History tells us that this practice did not occur until apostates began to keep the Day of the Sun centuries later. If Paul really taught this anti-Sabbath lawlessness as you contend, why did no one heed him?





Where Is Elijah And Enoch
  


Moses was resurrected.

Enoch and Elijah were translated without seeing death.

All three are in heaven with Christ.




Spirit Goes To Heaven
  


Therese: I LOVE the way you write!



Kathr: I did not go off topic by mentioning the flat-earthers. That was a response to your contention that the majority must always be right. Please stay focused, as this topic addresses the REAL nature of the soul as revealed in the Bible. (Saul saw a demon - not Samuel)

A soul is defined in Gen 2:7 as the combination of body and breath of God. Without the body, the soul ceases to exist. You can't think without a brain.


Ecc 9:5 ... the dead know not any thing

Psa 115:17 The dead praise not the LORD, neither any that go down into silence.

Eze 18:4 ... the soul that sinneth, it shall die.





Are Churches Politically Corrrectc
  


axey: You believe that a mere man - Paul - has the power to abrogate God's law by:

Rom 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

But, the very next verse discusses eating - a subject not mentioned in the Fourth Commandment - but a subject of contention in the early church regarding feast day sabbaths. It says:

Rom 14:6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord, and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks, and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.




Spirit Goes To Heaven
  

Kathr: I think that you're off topic. I realize that the Bible teaches a round earth - even though pagans believed it was flat. But, contrary to the pagan belief in spooks, the Bible teaches that the dead really are dead, and will live again ONLY at the resurrection when Christ returns.

1Th 4:13, 15-16 But I would not have you to be IGNORANT, brethren, concerning them which are asleep [dead]. ... For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord SHALL NOT prevent [PRECEDE] them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:



Spirit Goes To Heaven
  

Kathr: "The Majority believe we go home to be with the Lord until the first resurrection."

The majority once believed that the earth was flat, but they also were wrong. If indeed people could exist, think, eat, drink, feel and worship as disembodied spooks, then why (logically) did Christ say "And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself, that where I am, there ye may be also."? Do you really believe that Christ makes 150,000 trips to earth every day, rather than once as the Bible states?

And, if no one really dies, but lives on as spooks, then why does the Bible say the rest of the dead LIVED NOT again until the thousand years were ended?




Are Churches Politically Corrrectc
  



ax: "*I* don't claim he was a hypocrite. *YOU* do"

Not so! He faithfully kept the Sabbath, but you claim he made it irrelevant. How did I call him an hypocrite?


"How do YOU explain "let each be persuaded in his own mind" and "let no man judge you with respect to the Sabbath"?"

Easy. If you note the context - eating meat offered to idols - and if you could understand that the yearly sabbaths were feast days, then you would understand the it is not the weekly Sabbath being discussed.


"you accuse ALL Sunday Christians as being lefties"

That is a blatant LIE! Nicole is a Catholic Sunday Christian and is just as anti-Communist as I am.



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