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Ten Commandments Historical
  
"Most Christian denominations have historically held the Ten Commandments as being binding on Christians. Many Christians today do not agree. Why? What changed?" Enlightenment, for those who understand. "Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,..." 1Ti 1:9 And that "whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law,.." Rom 3:19 "The law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor." Gal 3:24,25


Where Is Elijah And Enoch
  
Strongaxe yes, up until the time Jesus ascended no man had ascended to Heaven. "so it cannot speak to what happened or will happen afterwards." The fact that David hasn't speaks to that. If any man, other than Jesus was in Heaven it would be a man after "Gods own heart". Man will be raised and will spend the millennia on earth. Rev 20:6>Rev 5:10 I believe that the only Heaven that any of us will see is Heaven here on earth when the Father in His fullness dwells with man for the eternity. Rev 21:1-3


Where Is Elijah And Enoch
  
It is written that no man has ascended to Heaven. John 3:13 Not even David, a man after God's heart, is said to be in Heaven, even after Jesus ascended. Acts 2:34 So I do have biblical reasons for believing that no man is 'living' in Heaven. Concerning Elijah and Enoch, I know that they are mortal, since I know that they are destined to die, and logically, no moral has been walking around in Heaven for the last two thousand years. According to Rev 4:11 they await their assignment, and they can only be existing, or "standing by the LORD" (per Zec 4:14) in a state of stasis, or suspended animation initiated by the LORD. Can I prove this? No. However it remains my belief:o)


Finish It Here_Feb 2017
  
"Now I'm confused by your belief." David grace is a gift. A man does nothing to merit a gift. The Father grants grace by the effectual working of His power. Eph 3:7 We are bestowed, granted, or given grace, not by what we do, or because we somehow earned it, but rather according to the measure of the gift of Christ. Eph 4:7 Again David every man that receives grace receives it as a gift and are called to serve one another according to that same grace. 1Pe 4:10 We are told that we are saved by grace, through faith, and that it is not of ourselves, it is the gift of God. Eph 2:8 It is my belief that grace, faith, love, mercy, and salvation are all gifts, all of God, so that no one can boast.


Salvation Greater Than Peter
  
"doesn't obedience then become a requirement to Grace?"
David grace requires nothing from us. Grace is the unmerited favor of the Father. His gift of reconciliation through the atoning sacrifice of Jesus that paid the penalty of sin so that man might be brought back into agreement with Himself. His divine influence upon the heart -focus- of man, that brings him into the condition & state of mind that allows for that place within himself to be opened to embracing & exercising His faith to rely on, depend upon, trust in, acknowledge & confess Jesus as LORD & Savior. The obedience of love is of Him, our love for each other is a gift, and every good, and perfect gift, is from above.


Who Is The Serpent
  
Earl don't leave before telling us exactly who you believe the serpent to be, and why? "What is your position on this verse?" You never made that clear.


Salvation Greater Than Peter
  
David, I agree, Jesus saves, and it is the Father's grace that brings us to salvation. Thank you for sharing your understanding of grace.


Salvation Greater Than Peter
  
"I don't say this to be insulting nor to argue, I'm stating a helpful fact which may just save your Life" Thank you David, I know that you were not being insulting, and I was not insulted. I just misunderstood your post as well, my apologies. Please share your understanding of grace as taught by Jesus, and the scriptural basis of that understanding. Perhaps I have missed it.

P.S. I do understand that Paul is not the author of grace, he, like John and Peter, simple taught the grace of God as they understood it.


Salvation Greater Than Peter
  
I misunderstood you Kat. Thanks for taking the time to explain yourself.


Salvation Greater Than Peter
  
"David, I think the problem I see here is the verse in Romans 12 is talking to those already saved" Kat although this is not addressed to me, I read it as a response to my post. The verses says every man. It uses the Greek word "hekastos" which is defined every where in the N.T. as either everyman, everyone, or each one. This same word is used in Luke 2:3 and Rom 2:6, and I am sure that you know that those verses are not just referring to believers. However, If paul happen to be speaking only to believer at that time, he admonished them not to think of themselves more highly than they should. Why? Because "God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith."


Salvation Greater Than Peter
  
When Abraham believed God and God imputed it to Abraham as righteousness, it had nothing to do with Abraham implement his spiritual gift. Kat how do you think Abraham came to believe God? Do you honestly believe he came to implement that belief without the Father's influence? How do you read this verse? What is your understanding? "For to you it has been granted on behalf of Christ, not only to believe in Him, but also to suffer for His sake. (NKJV,NIV) For it has been granted to you that for the sake of Christ you should not only believe in him but also suffer for his sake, (ESV) I only quoted a couple of versions, however they all read the same. I believe that Abraham was also given to believe the Fathers promises for Christ sake.


Salvation Greater Than Peter
  
"Jesus never mentioned the word "Grace" in the Gospel, not once!"
David where do you think John and Peter received the doctrine of grace if not from Jesus?>John 1:14-17>1Pe 5:5,5:10>2Pet 1:2>3:18 for example.


Who Is The Serpent
  

The great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceives the whole world: The dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan. Satan was indeed the serpent who beguiled Eve through his subtlety. The serpent, the snake, symbolizes cunning and wisdom. Figuratively representing Satan as the embodiment of malicious cunning. Jesus referred to the Pharisees, scribes and sadducees as serpents, a brood of vipers, of their father the devil. They and those like them are the seed of the serpent mentioned in Gen 3. He is referred to as a murderer from the beginning because His initial deception caused death. I know you disagree Earl, so who exactly do you believe the serpent to be, and why?


Salvation Greater Than Peter
  
If it is a gift from God, wouldn't you expect it to be perfect too?--David
As I've said, God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.(KJV) Rom 12:3 I prefer the KJV because I believe everyone is given the same measure. Faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom 10:17 I believe the verse should read faith grows by understanding, and understanding by the word of God. The Greek akoe translated hearing is from the root akouo that can be defined understand. To me the words grows and understanding conveys the verse better, because not every one who gives audience believes the message. One can not put into practice, that which is not understood. Faith without works, (implementation, the work of faith), is dead


Who Is The Serpent
  
Earl what gives you the idea that beast of the field is a racial slur? Do you actually believe that Jer.31.27 is referring to the intermarrying of man and animal? Because nothing suggest that the word beast is being used symbolically or is in any way representative any human being. The verse is seems to suggest that the LORD "will greatly increase the human population and the number of animals in Israel and Judah" The Hebrew word used in the verse is "behemah" and has no other reference other than animal. You ask "what is the seed of beasts sowing in the house of Israel and Judah?" I believe the answer would be, more beast.



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