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Are Churches Politically Corrrectc
  


Cluny: I will assume you are but pretending ignorance. You know very well that Christ characterized the two Love Laws (also found in the Torah) as summaries of the Decalogue.

As for the ruse about the beatitudes being found in the Decalogue, I guess I'll have to teach you. In addition to the beatitudes, Christ teaches in Mat 5 the permanency of the Ten Commandments. He then mentions 3 of them: (1) v. 21 - Murder, (2) v. 25 - Adultery, (3) v. 33 - False Witness.

You continually close with the phrase "Glory to Jesus Christ", and yet you dismiss His counsel as irrelevant or not pertaining to you. Why?




How Did Life Begin
  


ax: "There is no scientific PROOF that physics CANNOT produce life."

WOW! That's the same logic the atheist uses to prove that the Flying Spaghetti Monster created our world.

You are as inept in the field of science as you are in that of the Bible. Science and Mathematics have indeed concluded that abiogenesis - the creation of life from nonliving matter - is indeed IMPOSSIBLE. Similarly, the ONLY explanation available from Scripture is SUPERNATURAL. Thus, you are wrong in both spheres.


Are Churches Politically Corrrectc
  


Cluny & axster: You guys seem to always be looking for ways to get around God's laws. Do you have sermons in your churches on the irrelevance of the Ten Commandments? I know what religion Cluny is, and that they hold the 10C in fair esteem. But the ax can't bring himself to admit his denomination. Why?

Cluny, you asked a fair question as to the discernment of the 10C from the myriad of other ordinances. First, some ordinances, such as ritual sacrifices, have clearly met their fulfillment at the Cross. You might also try Matt 5, where Christ, after having attested that the law is permanent, gives several examples of the laws He's talking about - all of which are found in the Decalogue.




Friends With The Backslidden
  



Should we be Friends With The Backslidden?

Jesus was!





Are Churches Politically Corrrectc
  


ax: We are not talking about the 600+ ordinances written on parchment by Moses, but rather the Ten Commandments written by the finger of God in stone. Many such ordinances where prophecies of the substitutionary death of Christ as atonement for our sins ("the wages of sin is death"). These ordinances were FULFILLED on the cross, and are no longer needed, but the 10C are eternal ("they stand fast forever and ever" - Psa 89:34).

Pro 13:13 Whoso despiseth the word shall be destroyed: but he that feareth the commandment shall be rewarded.

What denomination are you that teaches that the 10C no longer apply to Christians?




How Did Life Begin
  


Cluny: Laws of biology and chemistry obey the laws of physics, but none of them can produce new life forms. In fact, the Bible definitively states that ALL Creation was supernatural in origin, as:

Psa 33:9 For he spake, and it was done, he commanded, and it stood fast.

Heb 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.





Are Churches Politically Corrrectc
  


ax: "the Law is now obsolete"

Then Jesus must have been lying when He said:

Mat 5:18,19 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

You think that "fulfilled" means brought to an end, but Jesus made it clear that we are to keep and teach the Commandments. What denomination are you? Most all major denominations teach that the 10C Law is still in effect.




How Did Life Begin
  


Cluny: "Do you understand the difference?"

Of course. But none of the laws of physics can accomplish creation of life, as Evolutionists assert. Gravity can't make animals! The Bible records Creation as a supernatural, 6-day event, not an ongoing flow of new life forms from the wellspring of physical forces.





How Did Life Begin
  


Cluny: According to Merriam-Webster, pantheism is "a doctrine that equates God with the forces and laws of the universe".

So it's really close, as is Theistic Evolution.





How Did Life Begin
  


Cluny: "God generally works thorugh natural laws that He Himself established."

Are you implying Pantheism - that God is just a force pervading all of nature? That seems to be at odds with the biblical quote from Josef below that:

"Things which are seen were not made of things which do appear."

Natural phenomena do not manifest themselves this way. As the scripture implies, one needs faith to understand the Creation.







Are Churches Politically Corrrectc
  


ax: "Did Jesus not fulfill the Law?" Yes, but "fulfill" does not mean "destroy". It means He fulfilled the obligation of the Law - the penalty - DEATH. Do you honestly believe that murder, theft, etc. are no longer sinful because Jesus died on the cross? If sin could be eliminated by legislative fiat, then Jesus need not have suffered and died to FULFILL its penalty.



Cluny: We've been over this ground before. The term "the law" can have any of several meanings in Scripture, from the writings of Moses to a principle of carnal temptation. You still don't seem to be able to distinguish them.




What Are Wages Of Sin
  


Cluny: "I believe the "death" referred to here is physical death."

You are adding to scripture. It only says:

Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

It is clear from the Scripture that death from sin is presented in contradistinction to eternal life. Thus to imply that the spirit of the sinful survives death because "only the body dies" does injury to the Word.




Are Churches Politically Corrrectc
  


ax: I see that you agree with the Pharisees rather than with Jesus. Pity.

The Sabbath Commandment is found in Exo 20:8-11. You will not find anything in it about fabrics or light switches. It has to do with your daily employment and keeping a weekly appointment with God on the day He chose to commemorate His Creation.

Here is how Jesus feels about His Ten Commandments:

Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: ...




Are Churches Politically Corrrectc
  


ax: "I follow the example of Christ and treat all days as equally holy"

Really? Jesus rejected the Pharisees' man-made restrictions on Sabbath observance and kept the Seventh-day Sabbath ONLY as holy. Sunday is likewise a man-made institution.

Isa 58:13 If thou turn away thy foot from the Sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on MY holy day, and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable, and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:

Psa 119:6 Then shall I not be ashamed, when I have respect unto ALL thy commandments.

Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep MY commandments.





Are Churches Politically Corrrectc
  

ax: So that's your final argument, eh (Canadian for huh)? The majority is always right? You might as well be a Muslim then as there are more of them, and besides, they also have a counterfeit worship day (Friday).

I guess the Catholic Church is right in its proclamation that SDA is the ONLY protestant denomination since it is the only one to follow Sola Scriptura on this subject.

One would think that a person who calls himself "Christian" would want to follow the example of Christ who established the Sabbath for mankind at Creation, commanded its sacred observance, and personally kept it while in human flesh. Isaiah tells us that we will even keep it in the earth made new. But you follow someone else.



Are Churches Politically Corrrectc
  


ax000: "There is no record of Paul keeping anything."

Must you always show your ignorance of the Bible?

Act 17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,

Act 13:42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.

Act 13:44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.


Why do you try so hard to disobey God? Do you think He is going to change and accept your doctrine?





Are Churches Politically Corrrectc
  


ax0: "Then why would Paul say "some keep all days equally holy"?"

Because he was talking about feast days - not the weekly Sabbath Day.

Answer yourself this: Why, if all days were to be held in equal esteem, is there no record of Jesus, Paul, or any of the disciples keeping any day holy other than the Sabbath? History tells us that this practice did not occur until apostates began to keep the Day of the Sun centuries later. If Paul really taught this anti-Sabbath lawlessness as you contend, why did no one heed him?





Where Is Elijah And Enoch
  


Moses was resurrected.

Enoch and Elijah were translated without seeing death.

All three are in heaven with Christ.




Spirit Goes To Heaven
  


Therese: I LOVE the way you write!



Kathr: I did not go off topic by mentioning the flat-earthers. That was a response to your contention that the majority must always be right. Please stay focused, as this topic addresses the REAL nature of the soul as revealed in the Bible. (Saul saw a demon - not Samuel)

A soul is defined in Gen 2:7 as the combination of body and breath of God. Without the body, the soul ceases to exist. You can't think without a brain.


Ecc 9:5 ... the dead know not any thing

Psa 115:17 The dead praise not the LORD, neither any that go down into silence.

Eze 18:4 ... the soul that sinneth, it shall die.






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