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Commandments From Jesus
  
(Matthew 3:1-6) In those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of Judaea, 2 And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. For this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Esaias, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.And the same John had his raiment of camel's hair, and a leathern girdle about his loins, and his meat was locusts and wild honey. Then went out to him Jerusalem, and all Judaea, and all the region round about Jordan And were baptized of him in Jordan, confessing their sins.

Mark
John the Baptist told the people to "Repent", and they responded by confessing their sins and by being baptized.


Commandments From Jesus
  
I knew that 1 John 1:9 would be the only verse you would use. And you are reading into the verse, not out of it.--Mark

Mark
But I didn't give you my interpretation of the verse, I only posted it. Now since I didn't give you my interpretation, and it's not your interpretation, maybe the Holy Spirit gave you the correct interpretation.


Commandments From Jesus
  
BCV please for your proof--Mark

(1 John 1) 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

Mark
Sorry I didn't get back with you yesterday, but I find it difficult on CN to post more than once at any one sitting.

I will admit there are very few verses which use the phrase "confession of sin". This is because confession of sin is a part of repentance, which makes it's use a redundance in the teaching.

However, the New Testament uses the word "Repent" over 40 times, and confession of sin is inferred in these verses.


Commandments From Jesus
  
I very much appreciate your standing with me in upholding the truth of the Bible above the opinions of men.---Jerry6593 on 7/24/17

Jerry
And I appreciate you standing on the foundational Gospel of Jesus Christ, and with me. Not too many folks seem to want argue the point we have made about sin, do they? I think we may have changed a few minds, which is my goal here on CN.

No one likes to feel foolish, and If you can find a way to show folks how foolish and illogical a teaching is, sometimes you cause them to stop and rethink their position.


Commandments From Jesus
  
Mark
We can argue until Jesus comes, but by then it will be too late. Who is right and who is wrong? Let God show you the Truth.

Since you believe you are not under the Law you probably have not confessed your sin, to God, in a very long time,...if ever. If so, confess your sin before God and see if anything happens. (The "sinners Prayer" some folks use is a good template as to how to confess your sin)

If nothing happens, we are wrong. But, if immediately after the confession, you become acutely aware of the sin in your life, we are right. If God forgives your sin, you are under the Law. If there is no change, you are under Grace.


Commandments From Jesus
  
The Bible says that Jesus came to save us from sin - not from the Law.--Jerry.

Jerry
Well put,... and in a nutshell.
To be honest, I was completely ignorant that Protestants don't believe they can sin. This has become very personal for me.

As a child I had no issues with telling lies, or stealing. My brothers and I were like a gang of thieves. I feel so much shame today for how I was back then. And it wasn't until recently that I discovered why I acted as I did. It was because I was raised as a Protestant and didn't know what sin was.


Commandments From Jesus
  
Mark
As Peter said, Paul is hard to understand, and you see me as ignorant of Paul teachings. So help me by answering these two easy questions, to give understanding to those you see as ignorant of Paul.

If you steal something, is it sin?
If you murder someone, is it a sin?


Commandments From Jesus
  
How can you read Romans 7 and still think you are still joined to the Law?--Mark Eaton

First I'd like to say you were not the "Mark" I was referring to in my other post, the one who likes to change his name. He went by the name of "MarkV".

Mark
Isn't it true, sin must die so that we can live for Christ?
What did Paul use to make this happen in (Romans 7: 11)?
"For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me."

Keeping the Law does not make us a better person. God uses the Law to answer your prayer. What does Jesus pray for in (Luke 11:4)? It's not only a prayer asking for the forgiveness of sin, it's also to be delivered from evil.


Commandments From Jesus
  
Cluny
A little while ago, I revealed the fact those who sin are under the Law. For without Law, it would be impossible for anyone to sin.

It's important, for those who believe they are not under the Law to understand this. Why is it so important? Because one gains freedom from sin, by obeying the Law (Romans 7:9). This is why the Law of Christ is also Called, "The Law of Liberty".

Orthodox Christians confess their sins, but also believe they are not under Law. If your not under Law, how do you commit sin in need of confession?
I ask you this very difficult question merely to bring you a different perspective about sin, and about the Law of Christ.


Did Jesus Pay For Our Sins
  
The law has been condensed into two commandments, love God and love others. ---Mark_Eaton

Mark
In (John 14:21) Jesus said, if we loved him we would keep his commandments. Was he speaking about the two you mentioned?

If he had, he would have said, If you love me, keep my commandment to love me?


Still Call Themselves Sinners
  
I find this to be so childish and immature of you...John

John/Mark v/ Luke
I laughed when I saw this. I laughed because your lack of maturity was the very reason I don't enjoy talking with you.

You are who you are and I know you can't change that, though you have tried by changing your name on CN. Why do you keep changing your name?


Did Jesus Pay For Our Sins
  
Mark
The other thing, you claim you are not under the law. You can't have it both ways. You are either Lawless, or you are under the law .


Still Call Themselves Sinners
  
Sir, I believe, Your statements were read in context..---John

John
Okay, you don't believe me, so I'll leave it at that. I really don't like talking to you anyway.


Did Jesus Pay For Our Sins
  
We are not sanctified by keeping the Law.--Mark

Mark
I never said we were.

We are born again of the Spirit and grace and truth came by Jesus--Mark

Mark
You say the Truth came by Jesus Christ, but then you use the words of Paul. If you believe the Truth came by Jesus Christ, teach me by using his words.


Still Call Themselves Sinners
  
David states, "You supposedly make your foundation on Paul's epistles, a foundation that's found nowhere in the Gospel of Christ."

John
You read my statement out of context. Paul's epistles are founded on the Gospel of Christ, but those who use a few verses from Paul's epistles to create their doctrines, are false.

These doctrines can easily be proven false, for they are not found anywhere in the teachings of Jesus Christ.

For example, "predestination" is the foundation of your doctrine. Where in the Gospel did Jesus teach predestination? Another favorite is the "Grace" doctrine, when Jesus didn't even use the word "Grace" anywhere in his Gospel.


Did Jesus Pay For Our Sins
  
Kathryn
Sorry if I made you angry.

Paul says those who keep the Law will be justified. The Law is a part of the justification process, but it's God who saves us.

Noah built the ark, but did Noah save himself by building the Ark? Would Noah have been saved if he hadn't built the Ark? If so, why was the Ark built?

God merely created a way to destroy the inhabitants on the Earth, and provide a vehicle in which Noah could be saved. In much the same way, we do not save ourselves by keeping the Law. But unless we keep the Law, sin will not die, and we can not be saved.

In those days Paul would have said, "If you build an ark you will be saved, but building the ark does not save you."
Understand?


Did Jesus Pay For Our Sins
  
(Romans 2:13) ....the doers of the Law shall be justified.

Kathryn
The above verse clearly says the Law is a part of the salvation process. But the reason folks don't accept what Paul says in (Romans 2), is because they have not had the experience Paul writes about.

They must therefore create illogical doctrines to explain verses like these. This is why Paul's epistles are a mind bending read for most. If they shared in his experience, his epistles are easy to understand.

Sin represents our love for the world, and when our Love for God grows greater than our love for the world,....sin dies. This love for God, comes through the keeping of the Law and the confession of sin. It's also how we remain in Gods Grace.


Still Call Themselves Sinners
  

Micha
I'm not sure. Probably closer to 30 or 40, but I think your worth it. How many doctrines think you have the wrong premise and the wrong conclusion? I would say it's "everyone" that doesn't go to your church, wouldn't you?

Christianet is an exchange of beliefs for folks who don't follow a false doctrine, so they can decide for themselves which path to follow. Though I always have hope, God will use me to turn someone like you from a false doctrine.

You supposedly make your foundation on Paul's epistles, a foundation that's found nowhere in the Gospel of Christ. Even though...Paul taught that's where we need to make our foundation.


How Can I Believe In Jesus
  
John
The only thing which will remove all doubt is proof, irrefutable proof that shows you God exists. Years ago I struggled with the same question,..as many do.

My proof came in the form of an answered prayer. Though I didn't really believe in God, I prayed and asked him for help. My irrefutable proof came when God instantly answered that prayer. Why did God answer my faithless prayer?

Because believing in God is the seed of faith, and by answering the prayer, he planted the seed. How can you have faith in God, if you don't first believe there is a God?

Jesus called it the mustard seed in (Matthew 13:31-32). Keep knocking John, and eventually God will answer the door, and plant that seed (Matthew 7:8).



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