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Greatest Threat To The World
  
Haz27:

Conservatives consider CNN fake news. Liberals consider Fox fake news, and this has been shown on several occasions, just as Trump has been shown to be a liar - NOT because their narrative disagreed with the left's narrative, but because many things they have said directly contradicted very well known and observable and easily-verified facts.

The early church kept everything in common, voluntarily eschewing private ownership. That is most extreme left-wing economics. Deal with it. Communism is evil because giving up property is enforced. Ananias and Sapphira sinned because they lied, not because they didn't give.

Hitler was NOT a socialist. He was to the right of center. Stalin and Mao were. Hitler wasn't.


Greatest Threat To The World
  
Jerry6593:

You wrote: not understanding that melting ice in a glass of water does not cause the water level to rise in the glass.

That argument holds true wherever ice is floating on the surface, which is true of large parts of the Arctic ice cap and a small part of the Antartic ice cap. However, it is NOT true of ice that sits on the surface of land (e.g. Antarctica, Greenland, large portions of northern Canada and Russia), where melting ice runs off the land and into the ocean. THAT part is also not easily reversible - if the oceans cool down again, the cold water won't just climb back up on land and freeze.

Narrow-mindedness that disagrees with facts that don't fit one's agenda occurs on BOTH sides.


Doctrine Of Immaculate Conception
  
Jerry6593:

You wrote: It is incorrect to assert that Jesus had a sinless nature. His nature was the same as ours, the nature of Adam after the fall.

Not true. We inherit our sin nature from Adam, through our fathers. Jesus, unlike the rest of us, did NOT have a human father, so he did not inherit Adam's sin nature. This is why he, and he alone, was able to resist sin.

1 John 2:1 is just an exhortation to avoid sin, not a claim that it is possible, as it also includes instructions for what to do if one DOES sin.

1 John 1:8: If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1 John 1:10: If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.


Greatest Threat To The World
  
Haz27:

You wrote: Facism is a collectivist ideology like Socialism and Communism, and thus clearly of the Left.

Your conclusion is wrong. It depends on the following fallacious argument:
1. Fascism is evil. (correct)
2. Socialism and communism are evil. (correct for communism. Early church was communal, ergo left.)
3. Socialism and communimm are left. (correct)
4. Therefore, fascism is left. (false)

It seems that almost EVERYTHING you say on these blogs is left-bashing. Look at Jesus and the Apostles. Did they scream at the evils of their government (heathen Rome enslaving the world and worshiping other gods)? No. They screamed only at the hypocrisy of their own religious leaders.


Too Much Bickering
  
Haz27:

It's fine to be a cultural follower or babe in Christ. However, people in those categories should be treated honestly as such, and not as prophets or great spiritual leaders.

Pro-choice does NOT mean pro-abortion. I keep pointing out that "baby slaughter" abortion is actually LOWER in blue states with pro-choice sensibilities than in red ones with pro-life sensibilities, yet you totally ignore that because it doesn't fit your narrative. The same is also true for infant mortality, which is 3% higher during Republican presidents than Democratic ones.


Doctrine Of Immaculate Conception
  
Nicole_Lacey:

But, Jesus was NEVER created. He needed a CLEAN VESSEL to thrive.

Why would a sinless Jesus need a clean vessel to thrive, yet a sinless Mary would not? Why are you playing by two different sets of rules?

Mary was INFUSED with an abundance of God's Graces to prevent any sin. That's Scripture! She is addressed by title NOT by name.

No, it isn't. Did she receive God's grace? Yes. But there is no scripture that says she was without sin, nor that she was saved from sin at conception.

Why does God Save one at 10 years old and another at 54 yrs old?

God saves us from sin, not by hand-waving, but because of the atoning sacrifice of Jesus - which had not happened yet.


Greatest Threat To The World
  
Haz27:

The way you worded that, you lump all "Lefties" into one bucket, and effectively accuse NurseRobert (and presumably me) of being fascists, and condoning violence. I am not, and I don't, and I haven't seen anything in his writings to suggest that he is or he does either. Use a narrower brush.

Of course it's not surprising that Arctic and Antarctic expeditions have failed. It's hard enough when they're totally cold and frozen. "Mostly frozen" would not only not offer appreciable access, but would actively hamper access (e.g. it's much easier to travel through snow than slush.) Once the ice caps are totally gone, then the poles will be accessible, but by that point, it will be way too late for all of us.


Too Much Bickering
  
Haz27:

The reason Trump's knowledge of Christianity or practice bears closer scrutiny is this. He has actively courted the Evangelical Right by claiming to be one of them. Many American evangelical leaders have called Trump "God's chosen". Such claims on both sides are subject to scrutiny.

This is also why the sexual mores of Repubican politicians are more worthy of scrutiny than those of Democrats - because Republicans actively claim to be pro-family, and pro-morality. An adulterous pot-smoking pro-pot pro-free-love Democrat is a reprobate. An adulterous pot-smoking pro-family anti-drug Republican is a reprobate AND ALSO a hypocrite. Jesus was very forgiving of sins of the flesh, but loudly condemned hypocrisy.


Doctrine Of Immaculate Conception
  
Nicole_Lacey:

Adam was not conceived or born sinless. He wasn not conceived or born at all. He was created ex nihilo.

If God's graces were sufficient to create Mary sinless, despite the fact that she inherited sin from her parents, it would also have been sufficient to create Jesus sinless, despite the sin of HIS parents.

The whole reason Jesus's sacrifice was even NECESSARY was because God was unwilling to just hand-wave sin away without an atonement. Why would he be unwilling or unable to do so for the world, yet be all too willing to make that exception in Mary's case?


Greatest Threat To The World
  
Jerry6593:

You wrote: And just where did the fossil fuels come from initially? That's right genius ... from PLANTS.

Yes - at a time when the earth's atmosphere had much more carbon dioxide in it, and not the oxygen to burn it. Do you really want to return the planet to a humid jungle with an atmosphere breathable only by plants but not animals?

It doesn't matter whether climate change comes from natural or man-made sources - it IS happening, and if it doesn't stop, we're all in for a very unpleasant time. We need to do whatever we can to slow it down as much as possible.

Think man! Your belief in this crap is blind faith - not critical reasoned thinking.

So is your disbelief in it.


Too Much Bickering
  
Nicole_Lacey:

Trump said: Why do I have to repent or ask for forgiveness, if I am not making mistakes?"

1 John 1:8: If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.

Who would you rather believe? Trump, or the Apostle John? I personally would rather trust John.


Doctrine Of Immaculate Conception
  
Cluny:

You wrote: I know of nobody who worships Mary with the LATREIA given to the Lord. What's more, I don't think you do, either.

Have you ever visited any Latin American countries? It's very common there.

If that is happening with anyone, it's DESPITE the teaching of the Church, not because of it.

There are many doctrinal errors believed by many Catholics, that the Church claims are not its official doctrines. If such errors are so prevalent, it's the Church's own fault for allowing such misconceptions to be taught by its own misinformed clergy, and for not correcting parishoners who believe them.


Too Much Bickering
  
Nicole_Lacey:

You wrote: 1. Trump DID NOT say he didn't do anything wrong. Watch the video again.

I was referring to something he said on a different occasion. Google: Trump forgiveness

2. Your options of his character off a statement he DID NOT say isn't very nice of you.

I agree, if I did that. But I didn't. It's based strictly on what he did say (see above).


Doctrine Of Immaculate Conception
  
Nicole_Lacey:

Why was that necessary? If so, wouldn't it also have been necessary for Mary's MOTHER to also be free of sin for Mary to dwell in HER womb?

Why couldn't the Trinity similarly prevent the stain of sin to sin Jesus's soul at the very moment HE was conceived? Why do different metaphysics apply to sinless Jesus than to sinless Mary?

Eve was conceived without sin, but she was later stained by sin - otherwise, she wouldn't have been cursed and cast out of Eden.


Too Much Bickering
  
john9346:

Only if they skimmed it quickly without actually paying attention. Note the capitalized "Christian" just before "scripture"? One doesn't normally repeat words closely in a sentence without a good reason to do so.

It's obvious they had SOME scripture - otherwise Paul's statement about scripture being profitable would have been meaningless. One must conclude the scripture they had wasn't CHRISTIAN but some other kind (i.e. Jewish).

Nevertheless, now that you know what I meant, could we please move on? We've already wasted enough of this blog choking on gnats.

None of the verses you quoted says Jesus is God. Polycarp etc. were NOT in the NEW TESTAMENT. Read what I ACTUALLY WROTE.


Doctrine Of Immaculate Conception
  
john9346:

Cluny asks this question because there are so many Protestants who attack straw men of their own devising - i.e. they take a doctrine, misinterpret it, and create a totally different doctrine that is ridiculous. They then attack it because it's ridiculous, and when they've successfully proven that it's ridiculous, they think they have debunked the original doctrine, when all they have done is demolished their own straw man.

If anyone is going to debunk something, they should know exactly what it is they are debunking first. Otherwise, their effort is meaningless. If Saudi Arabia attacks you, it isn't terribly effective to retaliate by bombing Iraq (regardless of the fact that it's already been tried).


More Finish It Here June 2017
  
john9346:

Again, "How God communicates With Us." is no longer listed.

From "Is Sola Scriptura A Theory.":

2 Tim 3:15-17, John 20:30-31 say scripture is useful, not that it's exclusive.
1 Cor 4:6 says men aren't above scripture, not scripture is above men.
(If you meant some other post, please indicate the date, giving just a blog is like saying "It's in John somewhere". There's not room to dissect all 75 posts in one reply.)


Samuelbb7:

Jesus telling his followers to eat his flesh DIRECTLY contradicted dietary laws from Leviticus. Many followers who believed Sola Scriptura had to leave him as a false teacher over this. The ones who stayed did NOT follow Sola Scriptura.


Greatest Threat To The World
  
Haz27:

You wrote: You really need to take the red pill AXE.

So do you. But then again, you will believe whatever you want to believe, regardless of the evidence to the contrary.


Too Much Bickering
  
Nicole_Lacey:

I just quoted one thing he said, but he has said many others that corroborate this view. The core, fundamental belief of Christians is that Jesus died to save us from our sins. This would not have been necessary if we didn't do anything wrong. Yet Trump boasts that he never did anything he needed to ask forgiveness for. This means Trump either a narcissistic non-Christian, or someone so holy he's on par with Jesus himself. Many of his followers believe the latter. I find the former more plausible.


Doctrine Of Immaculate Conception
  
Nicole_Lacey:

This is one thing that I could never understand about IC that seems to defy all logic.

The fundamental question is this. Is it possible for God to concieve a sinless child from a sinful mother? If this is possible, then there would have been no need for Mary to be sinless. If it is not possible, then Jesus would have had to be conceived by a sinless Mary (IC). However, by the very same reasoninig, Mary would ALSO have had to have been conceived by another sinless mother, and so on, back to the first mother (Eve). But Eve was NOT sinless, which results in a contradiction. Thus, the very logic, that demands IC, contradicts itself, and without it, it's no more than unsubstantiated theological hand-waving.



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