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Law That Christ Fulfilled
(1 John 1: 8-10)8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

Without the Law there can be no transgression, for sin is the transgression of the Law (1John 3:4).
Now In light of the above passage I have printed out for you, and underscored, do you still believe you have not sinned?

Law That Christ Fulfilled
When we sin we need to confess our sin. Which put us under grace. 1John 2:1-3--Samuel

Exactly! And this is because sin separates us from God (Isaiah 59:2).

If we are separated from God, we are not in a relationship with God. Confession of sin removes the sin which causes us to walk in darkness, and restores the light of God, and our relationship with God.
This is what (1 John 1: 5-8) teaches us.

And it's easy to prove to oneself by learning to confess sin D-A-I-L-Y, as Jesus taught us in (Matthew 6: 9-13). Where after a confession of sin, there is a markedly difference in our view of sin. There is now guilt when we sin, guilt which is not felt in those who don't confess sin.

Law That Christ Fulfilled
I'm trying my best to follow your belief, so I ask these questions to help me understand.

Do you believe sin is the transgression of the Law? If you do, in light of your belief you are not under the Law, have you ever sinned? If you have, can you explain how you sinned, without being under the Law?

The Power Of The Law
You got it brother. When you get your teachings from Gods Holy Spirit and not from men, God will show you just how foolish the teachings of men really are. And when the believers, who put their faith in these false doctrines can see the foolishness, you have opened their eyes so they can seek the Truth.

The majority of CN believers, believe they are not under Gods Law. But look how few argue against the evidence we have produced. (Luke 21:15).

Law That Christ Fulfilled
Sir, if we are still living under the Mosaic as you state, "But the debt still remains under the New, until we are born again." then you are commanded to, "Not to eat pork, and....--John

Okay, that's better. You stated I proclaimed we were under Mosaic law, which was not true. Notice I said it's the debt which remains, not the Law of Moses.

Under the Law of Christ, Jesus provided us with sacrifice, the only sacrifice God will accept. When we confess our sins before God, the sin is forgiven, and then the debt for the confessed sin is paid.

Now please answer my question. (1 John 1:9) tell us to confess our sin. Why would John tell us to confess our sin, if there is no Law?

The Power Of The Law
Isn't Jesus a sacrifice for sin under the NEW Covenant? Isn't it true, where there is no Law, there can be no transgression/ sin?

Why would we need a sacrifice for sin, if we're not under the Law?

Law That Christ Fulfilled
To be honest, I'm amazed to discover your doctrine, any Doctrine for that matter, which teaches those who follow them, it is impossible for them to sin. Can you give me the name of your denomination so I can study it further?

Law That Christ Fulfilled
The covenants have changed as well as the law and commandments.

Well that's a relief, I'm glad you finally agree with me. Now if I could only teach you that murder, adultery, theft, and telling lies are sins. Lies like the one where you say,... I stated we are under the Mosaic code.

Murder is against the Law in the United States, and every place I can think of. Is this because they believe we are under the Mosaic code?

If your Church doesn't believe murder, adultery, and stealing are sins, what do they call them?

The Power Of The Law

David: Well said!---Jerry

It's definitely a hard point to argue against, when one realizes sin is the transgression of the Law. Because everyone who confesses sin or calls themselves a sinner, knowingly or unknowingly puts themselves under the Law of God.

Their very own actions make their argument, stating they are not under Gods Law, indefensible.

Law That Christ Fulfilled
Do you not eat pork?? do you not wear clothes with mix fiber?Do you keep the Sabbath?--John

The Law of Christ, is that Law God puts into your mind and writes on your heart. God has never put the laws you mention, into my mind, but he has made me feel guilty of a few of the commandments Christ mentioned in (Matthew 19: 18 & 19). Those commandments that God considers acts of Evil.

I wish I could get you to believe that you're a sinner, but that's not my job, it's the job of Gods Holy Spirit. If you don't have guilt, maybe you haven't received this gift. Just a thought my friend.

Law That Christ Fulfilled
The fulfillment of Law refers to the changing of covenants, not the end of Gods commandments. Much like refinancing a house with another mortgage company, doesn't forgive the debt you owe on your house. Your just put under a new covenant.

The new mortgage company simply pays the debt we owed under the first covenant. When the new mortgage company has paid that debt, the terms under the original covenant have been fulfilled.

Christ paid the debt for our sin with his sacrifice, which fulfilled the requirements under the Old covenant. But the debt still remains under the New, until we are born again.

Law That Christ Fulfilled
If you look back to my comment on 5/10, I said I was speaking about the Law of Christ, not the Law of Moses. Which are very similar as told in (Matthew 19: 18 & 19) & ( Romans 13:10)

Perhaps I'm confusing you also, so let's find some common ground in which I hope we can both agree.

I believe those who accept Christ as their Lord are under a covenant with God. Do you agree? If you do, I would very much like to have your definition of the word covenant.

The Power Of The Law
Paul wrote, "Where there is no Law, there is no Transgression". Which makes perfect sense, in knowing sin is the transgression of the Law. (1 John 3:4)

I hear countless believers claim they are not under Law, and yet profess to be sinners and confess sin before God. How is this possible for those who claim they are not under the Law, when sin is the transgression of the Law?

Law That Christ Fulfilled
In the Nt, we love and worship Christ and he gives us his grace to love and obey.---john9346 on 5/11/17

Now you have me confused. You say your not under Gods laws, and yet you say through Grace, you love....and Obey.
Obey what?

I'm confused because it can't be Gods commands, because that would be the Law, and you are not under the Law.

Law That Christ Fulfilled
(Romans 13) 9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet, and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

According to Paul, If you break any of these commandments he gives in verse 9, do you love your neighbor?
If you don't know, This teaching parallels The one Christ gave in (Matthew 19:16-21)

Law That Christ Fulfilled
If all that happen was "Changing." of the law of Moses then it would still be binding.---john9346 on 5/9/17

If you were not under Law, wouldn't it be impossible to sin, since sin is the transgression of the Law? (1 John 3:4)

On the day of judgement, we will be judged according to our sin. How can God judge us according to our sin, if we are not under Law? I'm referring to the Law of Christ, not the Law of Moses.

If a policeman gave you a speeding ticket on the autobahn, when you went to court, the judge would throw the ticket in the garbage. Why? Because where there is no Law, there can be no transgression.

If you can transgress the Law, doesn't logic dictate, we are under the Law?

Law That Christ Fulfilled
What law do you think Christ fulfilled?

(Matthew 5:17) Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.
When Jesus said, "Fulfilled", he was referring to fulfilling the prophecies, the Prophets had spoken about him.

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Jesus was not the High Priest when he was on Earth, he did not become Gods High Priest until he went to heaven, (When he fulfilled the prophecies, the Prophets had foretold of the Christ)

When he became the High Priest, the Law was changed, not done away with.

Bound By Ten Commandments
"Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven." (Matthew 5:19)

For those of you who don't believe you are under any Law.
Why does the Lord call those who keep and teach the commandments, "Great in heaven", if we are not under the Law?

Daughter Is Pregnant
As a Christian, I would support my daughter in any way that I could. Accepting the mistakes she makes in life, as God has accepted the mistakes I have made in life.

Forgiveness is the key, to the future of your relationship with Daughter and Grandchild. If you do not forgive you will become hardened, and you will not have a future with daughter or grandchild.

I would also suggest this forgiveness come by way of a hug and assurance, that you will be by her side as she goes through this very difficult time.

King David made a similar mistake, and yet from that mistake, God created King Solomon. Reading (2 Samuel 11 & 12) may help to give you a different perspective.

Stop Smoking Cigs
Being educated does not require a degree, but it DOES require a capacity for critical thinking--StrongAxe

Your rejection of Donald Trump is based on ideology, not education. The proof is in the fact that Donald Trump has an education, and according to you, capable of critical thinking.

Ideology is based on ones moral values, not scholastic education. Core Republican values are Christianity based. Core Democratic values are not. Which is why many of us can not understand why Christian Democrats put their party before their God.

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