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How Does God Select
David again, finding grace in the eyes of the Lord, yes because Noah was already justified by faith. But finding France in Gods Eyes is not the exact same definition of NT being saved By Grace. And no where do you see the term in the NT of anyone finding grace in Gods Eyes.

Noah was not Born Again...( only those in the NT are). The finished works of Christ INCLUDE the New Birth. The New Birth came as a result of Jesus resurrection. Noah was not CRUCIFIED WITH CHRIST and Christ was NOT "IN" NOAH. Galatians 2:20-21....nor was he under the law of Moses. OT were JUSTIFIED by faith only until,Jesus rose from the dead. THEN they were made perfect...Hebrews 12...the spirits of JUST MEN made PERFECT.

Favorite Translation Of Bible
BTW, some people have called you Clunky in the past. My IPad sometimes replaces your name with Clunky, after I put in Cluny. So if anyone does this, it's just a spell correction made by the computer, not an act of immaturity.
---David on 3/6/17

Tooooooooo funny. Mine does that all the time....

How Does God Select

God saved Noah and family BECAUSE Genesis 6: 9 Noah was a righteous man, blameless among the people of his time, and he walked faithfully with God.

That's why David. Noah already had a relationship with God. And because of that God spared Noah and his family from drowning. Noah also preached for 100+ years.

But again David, I already said you will find many verses saying so and so,found GRACE IN SOMEONES EYES. Jospeh found grace in Pharoahs eyes too.....but sparing someone's life and ETERNAL LIFE GIVEN BY GOD, are two entirely different matters.

Enoch walked with God...yet nothing is said about Enoch finding GRACE in Gods eyes.

How Does God Select
So,again David, you did not read what I wrote. And again, no verses, not even the one you posted said Noah was "Saved by Grace". Noah and his family were saved by building an ark and getting in it. So were umpteen thousand animals. And also Noah's sons and wives. So in essence Noah and family and animals were saved by the finished works of Noah. Not quite the same as being saved by the finished works of Christ.

BUT if anyone, even one person had believed Noah and gotten on the ark....without even contributing to the building of it....their FAITH in Gods warning would have saved them from drowning.

How Does God Select
David, I would have to see the verses you are referring to. I don't see any scripture in the OT stating anyone being saved BY GRACE. They were justified by faith. Hebrews 11, the greatest book on faith in the OT never once says GRACE. They could not be saved by the FINISHED works of Christ, because it wasn't finished yet in the OT. Their sins were only COVERED...Hebrews 10.

Please read Hebrews 10 David. Also Hebrews 11 says they died without having received THE PROMISE. The Promise was the promise of the indwelling Holy Spirit. The Last MAN Adam, IS that life giving spirit. When Jesus rose from the dead, they were then made perfect, and are now in Heaven.

How Does God Select
David, I looked again and could find NO OT SCRIPTURE with the words "saved by grace". Just to see the word grace, or the word saved Does not mean it's talking about eternal life. Many verses say God saved them from their enemies. We also see Hagar, found grace in Gods eyes, but no where is that saying she had eternal salvation. It means God took pity on her situation. Or being saved from ones enemies...does not mean salvation.

So please read the verse WITH the chapter to see if the text is talking about ETERNAL LIFE.

In the NT Saved by Grace means ETERNAL LIFE. There is no other way to be saved David. We are saved by the finished works of Christ who died and rose again for the forgivness of sin.....

How Does God Select
David, in the OT we see many FOUND GRACE IN GODS EYES. But finding Grace in Gods EYES, is not the NT understanding or definition of GRACE. As we know the English language is limited in using the same word to have many meanings.

In the NT "Grace" is the opposite of the LAW. Even John makes that comparison....Moses came re Law, Jesus came "Grace and Truth" . Also Galatains makes clear what GRACE in the NT mean. Galatians 2:20-21 clarifying.

In the NT I don't believe anyone FOUND GRACE in Gods eyes. I do believe it states we are SAVED BY GRACE through faith.

Praying From A Book
John, my pastor does not uses sages/ rabbis or anything BUT scripture...verse by verse. That's how we like it.

What Is God's Role
John , the verses you posted do not contradict what I said. Only your interpretation of those verses contradict the Gospel, by twisting the meaning. It's what all false teachers do....not because they might do it on purpose, but because they need to to make it FIT into their false teaching.

The moment my FREE WILL, received Jesus Christ for the forgivness of Sin,,.I was THEN quickened together with Him.

How Does God Select
David, the onlycriteria God uses to make His selection are those who's sins are forgiven. Since God cannot fellowship with sinners, and that fellowship stopped when Adam and Eve sinned, and sacrifices were established from Genesis 1, and now Jesus dying for OUR SIN, being made sin for us so that we could be made the righteousness of Christ, SO THAT we could again have fellowship with the Father, the ONLY CRITERIA where God makes His Selection,now being IN CHRIST. Jesus Christ Is the ONLY CHOSEN ONE, and now those IN CHRIST, who's sins are done away with are now called the chosen...but ONLY BECAUSE Jesus Christ is the CHOSEN. Again GRACE IS THE CROSS, AKA the Finished WORKS OF CHRIST.

Is God Omni-Present
Mike, Another incident where God had to see what man was up to was during the time of Noah, and another here with SG. Also look too in Acts when an angel reported to God about Cornelius. I believe a picture of the things in Heaven are laid out in the Tabernacle in the wilderness. We have the Holy of Holies...a place no one could enter except the High Priest only once a year, showing God could not look at sin or fellowship with sinners, but did through a representative ..the High Priest. This is why Jesus came to earth, to reconcile man back to God. So before Jesus, God simply could not look at sin or sinners, and why Jesus our High priest entered once and for all, and why too, no one can come to the father except through the Son.

How Does God Select
Revelation 19:7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.

8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.

9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.

I see those CALLED to the marriage supper. The additional,CHOSEN out of the CALLED don't seem to appear here. And I see they are given the proper attire to wear. I believe it represents those who's sins have been washed as white as snow in the BLOOD OF THE LAMB.

How Does God Select
Acts 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

Yes what Luke is referring to is what Jesus told His Apostles in Acts 1:8 and those who received the Holy Spirit I the upper room.

Paul was also given this power...and Holy Spirit, and the Gospel was preached with many signs and wonders AKA POWER.

John the Baptists gospel was not nor any false gospel was not accompanied with POWER ON HIGH.

How Does God Select
Because David, if scripture states we justified by His Blood and saved by His Life, that is His Risen Life....then according to the definition of salvation, Jesus Saves.

Can one accept the invitation of God through Jesus Christ for salvation ? Yes, by all means. All are invited, yet not all will accept. But in accepting, one must accept the fact that it is still Jesus who saves, by Grace, through faith....and not of ourself, or of works, lest any man should boast.

How Does God Select
David, the word unmerited is not even in scripture. But to your statement ...saved by Grace...that is Jesus finished works, through faith...which is our participation.

Certainly we cannot save ourselves. We cannot be good enough. We cannot shed our own blood, have it acceptable to God and raise ourself from the dead. This is all God.

If perhaps the verse said you were saved by Grace, and left out the "through faith" would have no say...however we have a whole chapter on THROUGH FAITH..and that is Hebrews 11.
If Calvinism is correct...everyone CALLED is chosen, since no one can resist the call. But called and chosen have to do with ministry not salvation.

Spirit Goes To Heaven
Jerry, it doesn't matter what Saul saw...but what mattered was he did not believe as you do. Jews do not believe as you do and never have.

Only you and JW's believe as you do.....which should be a red flag.

But since you do not believe in being BORN AGAIN, or a new creature, since you are still in the flesh and under the law which applies only to,the is understandable you do not understand THE NEW CREATURE IS no longer in the flesh but IN THE SPIRIT, and that spirit NEVER DIES.

I will never agree with you Jerry. So scream all you want, curse, call names...I don't care.

Spirit Goes To Heaven
1 Cori15:17And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain, ye are yet in your sins.18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.

Jesus DID rise from the dead, those asleep IN CHRIST have not perished. Those who have died and are saved are said to be asleep IN CHRIST. So Jerry, are you saying the soul ceases to exist...which is what JW's believe?

It amazes me that something so clearly stated in scripture is argued.

When you are Born Again, the Holy Spirit reaffirms this to the believer. To look in the OT for answers , won't, because no one in the OT was Born Again. But Jesus Himself did give us a picture..IN Luke, and His own words at His crucifixion.....what more could anyone want?

Spirit Goes To Heaven
Jerry,,you went off topic when you tried to compare my beliefs to pagans who believed the world was flat. Strange thing to do there. Just because pagans believe in an after life does not make it a lie. Saul was not a pagan, but believed he could get in tough with Samuel...even though God forbade the practice of sorcery. The fact that Saul wanted to talk to Samuel shows even Jews did not believe as you do.

Sorry Jerry, God did not LEAVE Jesus soul in hell, but raised Him up 3 days after Jesus was as dead as dead could be. Was Jesus a SPOOK for three days? So that also proves the soul and physical body separated. We also have a soul, as we were created in the image of God.

Spirit Goes To Heaven
Isaiah 40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers, that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

Jerry, look up the Hebrew word here for "circle" it says sphere, MEANING ROUND, which if people believed and read the bible they would have known the world was not flat. So THAT argument bit the dust. ...I'm not sure what all this talk about SPOOKS a ghost maybe. The Bible says nothing about us being SPOOKS OR GHOSTS.

Once we are IN CHRIST! We are IN CHRIST...sealed until the day of redemption. That IS what he bible says whether you believe it, agree with it, understand it.

Spirit Goes To Heaven
---how would you rationalize the following scripture with your view?

Psa 115:17 The dead praise not the LORD, neither any that go down into silence.

---Jerry6593 on 3/8/17
I see two groups here. SO the first part is saying all in Adam all are DEAD. So it depends on what you mean by dead Jerry. Physically or spiritually? One is not MADE ALIVE until they are made ALIVE IN CHRIST. Yet our physical bodies still have to die....YET WE ARE MADE ALIVE RIGHT NOW.

Those who have rejected the Gospel (spiritually .still dead) do not praise the Lord.

AND Only you and the JW agree to some extent...NOT the majority of Christianity Jerry. The Majority believe we go home to be with the Lord until the first resurrection.

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