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Doctrine Of Immaculate Conception
It is incorrect to assert that Jesus had a sinless nature. His nature was the same as ours..
---Jerry6593 on 6/27/17

Perhaps you dispute that Jesus was God, before the Incarnation?

Jesus was fully God and fully man. Jesus had two different beings within Him, the God-being and the human being.

This is the essence of the theory of Hypostatic union.

The fully God-being of Jesus could not sin. God does not sin nor will He ever sin.

The fully human being of Jesus could be tempted, could be hurt, could thirst, could hunger, and could feel depressed. But as you have quoted, He was tempted yet without sin.

Therefore, Jesus must have surrendered His human being to the control of His God-being.

Still Call Themselves Sinners
How do we know if we have been granted this freedom?
---David on 6/24/17

2 Cor. 5:14-15 "For the love of Christ compels us, because we judge thus: that if One died for all, then all died, and He died for all, that those who live should live no longer for themselves, but for Him who died for them and rose again"

Jesus already freed us from sin because the entire cosmos died and rose with Him (Col 1:17). And as you rightly quoted Romans 6:7, he who has died has been freed from sin.

Therefore, ALL have been freed from sin and yet many do not know this. When we see this, we read passages like Romans 1 differently.

Doctrine Of Immaculate Conception
It means "totally graced up", or more elegantly, "full of grace".
---Cluny on 6/26/17

This is what I know. The Apostles Peter, John, Paul, and the author of Hebrews all state and agree that Jesus is sinless and that Jesus lived a sinless life.

However, nowhere in anyone's Canon of Scripture does it state that Mary was sinless.

All the hoopla over IC is because whoever developed the doctrine of Original Sin needed this behind the back jig to explain how Jesus did not get "infected".

Why not start with the Trinity? Jesus has a sinless nature because He pre-existed as God. When Jesus took on the human Being, he did not take on a sinful nature. He already had a sinless nature as God.

Doctrine Of Immaculate Conception
Mary was blessed with more of God's Graces than you or I.
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/24/17

First, Adam was not conceived. Adam was formed from dust.

Second, is Mary blessed with more grace before or after the Incarnation? If before, you are making God a respecter of persons.

I believe it is after, because the Greek word used in Gabriel's statement you have translated as "Full of grace" is 'charitoo" which means "to endow with grace" or "to cause to find favor" which I believe God is doing to Mary during the Incarnation.

Mary is favored above all women in that she will give birth to Jesus and endowed with the grace needed to raise the Son of God.

Doctrine Of Immaculate Conception
No, the Trinity prevented the stain of sin to seal Mary's soul at the very MOMENT she was conceive.
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/22/17

What you are saying makes more sense if it applied to Jesus, not Mary.

If the Holy Spirit, not involved in the conception of Mary, will do this for Mary, it is more reasonable to think that the Holy Spirit, involved in the conception of Jesus, would do this for Jesus, making Jesus the first sinless conception, not Mary.

Also, what exactly does the title "Full of Grace" mean? I certainly do not see that it means "sinless". Mary had no grace of her own. It means "Full of God's Grace" or "Highly Favored". Nothing more.

Greatest Threat To The World
It's a bad thing
---StrongAxe on 6/20/17

Your first sentence was best, "who knows"? You have decided Global Warming is a bad thing but who knows?

This discussion reminds me of the pine trees that NEED a forest fire to replenish. We see the fire as a bad thing, yet it is a good thing for these pine trees.

We are deciding what is good and evil, just as we did in the Garden.

Instead of playing God, how about we trust the God who created this planet and not try to be God ourselves?

But we should do what we can: conserve, replenish, and reduce waste.

Greatest Threat To The World
How is global warming a lie?
---StrongAxe on 6/19/17

I rarely correspond with you and never on political subjects. Yet I feel drawn to ask you two simple questions that you seem to not consider.

1. Is todays global temperature the optimal temperature?
2. If the global temperature is warming, (and you say it is) what empirical evidence is there that humans are causing it?

I rarely see the scientific community address Question 1. To me, Question 1 simply asks "is there a problem"?

Ice core and non-tree ring data confirm that the planet has been warmer than this century at least 5 times in the last 2000 years.

If we cannot answer Question 1, why go on to Question 2?

Too Much Bickering
I thought we,the church, were supposed to be a picture of the Gospel.And as for love, I'm not seeing alot of that on this site.
---brian on 6/14/17

You are not alone.

I have questioned myself and others on such.

If you browse other closed blogs, you will see where I apologized to several here for words and attitudes that did not reflect love and tolerance.

But it has to start somewhere if things are to change. I chose to start it with myself.

How about you? Are you willing to be kind and loving to all today, even if they disagree with you strongly?

Are Current Events Bad
Is it wrong to be very interested in current events?
---Tammy on 6/10/17

I will relay my own experience.

About 25 years ago, I was anxious, disturbed, and generally irritable most of the time. I sought professional help and I was questioned about my habits and my TV watching specifically.

When I examined my TV watching, I found that three subjects seemed to keep me constantly stirred up and lacking serenity and peace. The three subjects were sports, news, and politics.

I immediately quit watching these subjects and have continued this ever since. I rarely know what is going on in the world and as a result, I am better able to focus on my little corner of the world.

Impossible To Sin
then Jesus lied to Mary 2 days later when He said to Mary that He had not yet ascended to Heaven.
---Jerry6593 on 6/9/17

This is where your denomination fails you.

Jesus was talking about his physical body when he was talking to Mary. Remember, He told her, "don't touch Me"?

But that does not mean His Spirit was prevented from going to Paradise.

You see, Jesus and everyone's Spirit went to Abraham's bosom, or Paradise.

You are the one who limits Scripture. You have said before in these blogs that the story of Lazarus in Abraham's bosom was just a parable, not fact. But, Jesus told it and He knows whether it is fact or fiction. And He never said it was fiction.

Impossible To Sin
Anyone who believes that Jesus went to Paradise on Crucifixion Day places his confidence in the placement of a comma some 1500 years later.
---Jerry6593 on 6/8/17

Do you even know how to read dialog?

You are so ingenuous.

If we were discussing me calling you after I got home, our conversation might go something like this:

Jerry: "Please call me when you get home"

Mark: "I will call you the minute I get home"

Now, why do you insist in not reading Scripture in the same way?

Luke 23:42-43

Thief: "Please remember me when you come into your kingdom"

Jesus: "You will be with me in Paradise today"

Pray For President Trump
It's a fact during the Reagan administration IN ORDER to raise money for arms is when crack cocaine became very big in the cities
---kathr4453 on 5/23/17

A totally discredited conspiracy theory.

Discredited by PBS FrontLine reporter Craig Delaval "Cocaine Conspiracy Theories & the C.I.A in Central America" and many other stories in WAPO & NYT.

There was no connection to the CIA and drug trafficking.

While no administration is perfect, I am proud that I voted for the Reagan & Bush administration. They got us out of the grip of a dead economy and strengthened our influence abroad.

People should not be afraid of their governments, governments should be afraid of their people.

Hypostatic Union
That's like saying a Korean man and English woman will have a child who is 100% Korean and 100% English...the problem comes from not distinguishing between Jesus' Spirit and His body.
---James_L on 5/9/17

Your example is flawed. All three people are still of human being.

I think I understand what you are saying. Do you believe the Spirit of Jesus as having the God-being and the body of Jesus as having the human being?

I see this slightly different. I use Phil. 2:5-8 as my foundation. Jesus was already in the being of God, and during the Incarnation, the human being as added to Jesus, making Him both 100% human and 100% God.

I think for a blending to happen, you cease being the first to become the second.

Law That Christ Fulfilled
We are still under the old covenant as well as the new because all of God's covenants are eternal.
---Truthseeker on 5/8/17

I must disagree with this statement.

When the veil in the temple was torn top to bottom, God instituted Jesus blood, for the remission of sin.

In Jer 31, God establishes a new covenant, not like the old covenant when He was a husband to them, but in the new He will be their God, they will all know Him, and they will be His people.

In Acts 15, the Apostles do not require obedience for gentiles of old covenant dietary and ceremonial law.

In Heb. 10, it says Jesus takes away the first to establish the second. In Heb 8, it says the new covenant has made the first obsolete.

Hypostatic Union
I noted already that I replied to Micha's assertion that I was treading close to Gnosticism...
---James on 5/5/17

I think your statement "Jesus is not 100% God, nor is He 100% man" is very disturbing to most here.

On the surface, it sounds heretical or anti-Christ.

Your statement (if I pick at it logically), says Jesus is not God and not man. Logic says, if Jesus is not 100% God, then Jesus is not really God at all. Something less than God, perhaps God-like or a demi-God.

The same logic applies to being a man.

But perhaps, you mean something different.

I think you need to explain your statement if you agree with John 1, Hebrews 2, and Romans 8.

Hypostatic Union
We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the only Son of God, eternally begotten of the Father...
---john9346 on 5/4/17

Thank you for posting a portion of this creed. I believe it is the Nicene Creed, my personal favorite.

The statements made in the creed defend the theory of Hypostatic union, which was important and necessary to codify defend.

Jesus was conceived of two different beings, a human being - Mary, and a God-being - the Holy Spirit. This gave Jesus the ability to be both fully human, with all the frailties of flesh and sin, and the ability to be fully God, to give life, light, mercy, and truth.

How it was held together in a human body is a mystery of God.

Hypostatic Union
the very Word of God, by which the world was created, is inside that once-frail body of flesh
---James_L on 5/3/17

I agree.

But you and John are missing something in the phrase of Jn. 1:14 "became flesh".

In Greek, the word "flesh" is sarx, while the word "human" is anthropos.

St. John could have said that the Word became human but he did not. Saying the Word became "flesh" indicates a different meaning.

In Scripture, flesh is characterized as weakness, even sinfulness.

I think St. John is saying that Jesus became what we are, including all the weakness and sinfulness.

St. Paul takes it even farther and says that Jesus became sin.

Hypostatic Union
The word nature is simply used to identify Distinct Beahavior and functions.
---john9346 on 4/27/17

I think this definition does not go far enough.

To have the behavior and function of God would enable one to be considered to be "godlike" without being truly God. Our Watch Tower friends consider Jesus to be "godlike" yet do not consider Jesus to be fully God.

I rather like the words "essence" and "being" with "being" my most favorite way of describing the relationship of Jesus to the Father.

Just as you and I are of the same being, that is, human being, Jesus and the Father are of the same being, God.

Bound By Ten Commandments
Jesus came to save us from our SINS. He did NOT come to save us from obedience to the 10C Law. He saved us from the penalty for our sins - death (Rom 6:23).
---Jerry6593 on 4/27/17

So, this is the Gospel, in your words? But must we continue to perform the 10C or else we will sin and die?

My statement of the Gospel is this:

2 Cor 5:18-19 "Now all these things are from God, who reconciled us to Himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation, namely, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and He has committed to us the word of reconciliation".

Relationship is what it is about, not performance.

Bound By Ten Commandments
These are the FACTS that you Antinomians don't want to face.
---Jerry6593 on 4/27/17

What facts are you talking about?

It is you who continue to waste blog space over and over talking about the 10C and especially the Fourth commandment.

I rarely communicate with you because you seem stiff-necked (unteachable).

I choose to see Jesus as Truth, not a truth, not another truth, but the Truth and Jesus said "If you continue in My word, then you are truly disciples of Mine, and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free".

The phrase "My word" are not the Scriptures and not the 10C, but are the rhema of the Son.

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