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Doctrine Of Immaculate Conception
Cluny, they reposted my statement from the past.

I made that statement but it was a while ago.

Too Much Bickering
StrongAxe, as a Former Catholic I guess don't understanding or forgot about all forms of forgiveness as well.

In the Catholic and Orthodox Faith: drinking the Body and Blood does FORGIVES Venial sins.

Not in the Protestant Churches but because they don't have a Valid Priesthood. But Trump most likely BELIEVES his Church faith is just as good as the Catholic Church.

You and Nurse Robert took Trump out of context.

He was asked a question and he said drinking the little wine (because Protestants uses tiny vessels and crackers because that is exactly what it is in their church.) We don't use crackers so he wasn't making fun of the Catholic Church as most Protestants.

Too Much Bickering
//Trump's proclamations:

3. When I go to church and when I drink my little wine and have my little cracker, I guess that is a form of forgiveness. I do that as often as I can because I feel cleansed.

Just what is Trump proclaiming?---NurseRoberton 6/19/17

Friend, why don't you answer your own question since you made up those proclamation?

You are too old for this and know better.

Cite those so call proclamations of Trump.

You had very were lengthy statements.
Copy and Paste your sources.

Or they are just as fake as the Washington Posts' Sources?

Doctrine Of Immaculate Conception
Gentlemen, IC means at the moment she was conceived from her father's sperm into her mother's egg, (Jesus'only grandparents) The Holy Spirit infused her with overabundance of God's Grace.

Saving her from original sin.
Because Jesus is an obedient Jew that needed an undefile Body to sacrifice for you and I.

God Saved her at her conception. That's why She alone is addressed by title by an angel not name. No else in the Bible. Go head and verify it.

Jesus follows God's commands.
since Mary body is only body Jesus will partake, it has to conceived without sin as Adam and Eve.

Stop Smoking Cigs
StrongAxe, the wall will pay for itself within 5 years from lack of use of services used by Illegals paid by American Citizens.

Do you know how much it cost for the Department of Education and local area to provide education for one child?

Add the additional cost of finding multiple Translators.

Next, the medical cost of treating all Illegals from giving birth to basic immunization shots.

We are paying for the wall 5 times over every 2 years.

Daughter Is Pregnant
//St. Monica received both her son St. Augustine and his concubine (who had a child by him) into her home.---Cluny

Cluny, you should have explained better.

Karen, Augustine was not a Christian and was 19 years old. His mother wanted him to marry another women.

Augustine wasn't even a Christian at the time.
His Mother was Christian and His Father was a Pagan.

She was kind to the Concubine because she was a Christian and not because she condoned her son's actions.

Augustine wasn't a Christian until the age of 31 and made his famous statement to God:

"Too late have I loved You!"

Augustine wrote 'Confessions' and acknowledged his sins esp. having a concubine as being wrong.

Pastor's Wife Is Controlling
//9. Jesus abolished divorce (a policy)//

WHAT? Policy. Another thing you made up.

Matthew 19:4-6 And He answered and said to them, Have you not read that He who made them at the BEGINNING made them male and female,......So then, they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate.

Moses is a man!

God also told Jeremiah not marry for His plans and His Kingdom

Jeremiah 16:2 "You must not marry and have sons or daughters in this ...

//11. Jesus says this law is only for those it is given to (a qualification)--StrongAxe

What law? That's why I said you are making up stuff.

Cite the Law stating EVERYONE has to marry

Do Ghosts Exist
Hi Bill, the Disciples were uneducated according to the Leaders. But they knew their Scriptures. A Differences

Remember the Disciples cast out demons and pleased in telling Jesus.

So Jesus wan't with them in order to tell them which is a demon, angel or a ghost.

Also, the Writers of the Gospels are specific when stating what feared the Disciples. Luke and Mark are getting their info from the Disciples themselves.

Demons who are Spirits can eat in human bodies.

A ghost can not eat.

The point is that Jesus NEVER tells them that ghosts does NOT exist.
Not after walking on water or after His Resurrection.

Only the Pharisees accused Jesus was being a demon and Jesus corrected them immediately.

Hypostatic Union
John Sir, I gave you the dates of both Chalcedon in 451 that expanded on the documents of Ephesus 20 years earlier.

Please read the the documents of Ephesus FIRST to help explain the Council of Chalcedon

You can't learn about division if you are not taught about addition.

You can't define Jesus' Divinity if you can't say the simple phrase that Mary is the mother of God.

Giving birth to a substance doesn't change your own substance.

Obama's mother didn't become Black just because she gave birth to a Black baby. She remained White.

But she can be called the Mother of the Black baby.

Pastor's Wife Is Controlling
StrongAxe, Jesus abolishes Divorce so the Disciples MADE a statement not asking. Jesus GAVE REASONS why men will NOT marry in the future.

1. Because of birth defects.
2. Not by choice
3. By choice for the Kingdom of Heaven.

Matthew 19:12 For there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others and there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it.

//What does John 6:55 have to do with priests marrying?!//

Because you PICK and CHOOSE what is plain, clear, simple, black and white in the Bible.

I will explain your last question AFTER you answer why Timothy a Bishop DIDN'T MARRY?

Pastor's Wife Is Controlling
StrongAxe, you are claiming Paul is directly contradicting JESUS' Directive in Matthew 19:10-12?

Jesus is PLAIN, SIMPLE, BLACK and WHITE in John 6:55
"For My Flesh is TRUE food, and My Blood is TRUE drink."

This is plain, simple, black, and red.

Matthew 19:10-11
Disciple:"If that is the case of a man with his wife, it is BETTER NOT to marry." He answered (He is Jesus not Paul) "NOT ALL can accept this word, (You included), but ONLY those to WHOM that is granted.."

//How is DIRECTLY QUOTING PAUL "making up stuff"??---StrongAxe

Because Paul NEVER said a Bishop MUST MARRY.

Timothy was a Bishop and NEVER got married as the Bible states from Jesus and Paul!

Pastor's Wife Is Controlling
StrongAxe, Paul gave advice to MEN and Women! Bishops are men

Timothy was a Bishop and did NOT marry. He listened to Paul.

Paul was an Apostle and stayed at Churches he started for up to 3 years.

All Apostles are also Bishops.

Pope Francis is the Bishop of Rome.

//Even if you say "bishop", the RC forbids their bishops from marrying too.---StrongAxe

No one starts off as a bishop. they are Priest FIRST.

Again, no where in Bible states Bishops have to MARRY.

In fact the Bible states the OPPOSITE. Matthew 19

There will be people who will NOT marry for one reason or another. Priests are for the KINGDOM of Heaven spoken in Matthew 19

Stop making up stuff.

Stop Smoking Cigs
//Which is worse? People who say they don't follow Christ, or people who claim to follow Christ, but disavow everything he tought//

Heard of ISIS?

//..(e.g. making peace, feeding the poor, housing the homeles, healing the sick, caring for widows and orphans, etc.)?//

I know you are NOT talking about Republicans?

Every year for the last 20 years they prove Republicans give more to Charity by 5 to 1 than Democrats.

And when Democrats do donate to charity it involves animals or the plant most of the time.

//God hates fools. He hates hypocrites even more.---StrongAxe

Nope. Rev 3:16-17

How strange that people South of the Border and Illegals running into Canada believe Trump more than you?

Do Ghosts Exist
Thanks StrongAxe.

StrongAxe, note 'giving up the ghost' means death which means a ghost was a human FIRST.

Which is my point. The Disciples are not confusing demons with ghost (humans).

My other point is that the Disciples NEVER screamed "Its the Holy Ghost!"

They simply say "Ghost"

//It also uses the phrase Holy Ghost many times.
English of that time used the word "ghost" interchangeably with "spirit", as we still often do today.---StrongAxe on 4/30/17

I know but the word 'Holy' is in front of ghost.

When someone says ghost you know that are talking about a dead human.
Rather you believe in ghosts or not.

Seems Jesus believe in ghosts.

Pastor's Wife Is Controlling
//Paul said that bishops..was to be a man of one wife - because if he couldn't be a good head of his own household, how could be a good head of others?//

1. That can mean one and not 2 wives.

2. How come you all ignore Paul's multiple advice NOT to marry?

3. Paul himself a Bishop NEVER MARRIED.

Guess what? Neither did Timothy

Timothy took Paul's advice.

//Yet the Catholic Church reverses this. Instead of REQUIRING priests to marry, it FORBIDS it.---StrongAxe

No where in the bible does it states 'Priests HAVE TO MARRY' You made that up

The CC now understands Matthew 19.

BTW, Deacons not married when ordained can't marry as well.
And if a Deacon's spouse dies he can't marry again.

Faith For Food
StrongAxe, 2000 years isn't soon for you, but not to God.

Why Easter And Christmas
John, please ignore verses. Remember verses were only used to help Monks copy the Bible.

Read all Genesis 14, Psalms 110, Hebrew 7 and the Gospel of John 6.

The Primacy of Peter has nothing to do with Apostolic Church.

The Orthodox and CC acknowledge each other as an Apostolic Church because we BOTH have VALID Priesthood.

Our main dispute is about PETER.

As to the Bible you error in that as well.

Remember all the Apostles came from the East. They were all JEWS. Our split occurred in 1051. The Bible was compiled in the 5th century by Pope Damasus.

John Chrysostom is an Early Church Father of both Churches because there was only ONE CHURCH when he was alive.

Hypostatic Union
//No Ma'am, the mother of God was given to proclaim the uniqueness of the divinity of the Lord Jesus Christ not to protect it...//

Yes SIR! Dogmatically defined in 431 at the Council of Ephesus.

//The council again was clear the title had nothing to do with Mary, but the Lord JesusAlone..//

Amen! Because Jesus is God and Mary is NOT GOD. Thus Mary is the mother of God.

Your mother is the mother of a man. Does not make her a man? No. Only you are a man and she is a woman.

People can also say your mother is the mother of John.

But she is still the mother of a man. It states your nature not her nature.

//Council of Chalcedon--john9346

That Council took place in 451 20 year after Ephesus.

Stop Smoking Cigs
//Democratic Party, are also more likely to be atheists?-David

Great point. The 2012 DNC convention proved that.

Plus where did people came up with the idea that to be 'Educated' you have to have a degree?

Farmers are 'educated' in their line of work.

The College system just can't corporate it into a degree because they can't control a parent from teaching their child how to farm.

Farmers are very educated.

They can define plants, when and how to plant them. How much water and sun light is needed.

When to pick it's fruits and how to harvest it's seeds for next year.

Preserve the fruits and vegetables to last through the winter.

That takes an educated mind!


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