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Doctrine Of Immaculate Conception
  

Cluny said, "You still don't get that I'm asking PROTESTANTS what they think it means."

Sir, it just a simple question I'm just trying to understand this from your Point of view as an Eastern Orthodox since you ask it a lot.

Its just ironic to ask about a dogma so much that your religion views as frenging on "Heresy." Its more ironic that you are not the ones who invented it, but oppose it...

I'll respect the fact that you don't want to answer.

Thanks,

John


Too Much Bickering
  

strongaxe:

Someone reading your OriginalStatement is to conclude that their were no, "Scriptures." for Christians.

Listen to your statement sir:

"The early Christians didn't have Christian scripture, because that didn't exist yet -"

Sir, you do not state what they had leading readers to believe they had nothing of, "Scripture." which is emphatically false...

Thank you for clarifying your statements later, but only when I reminded you of your Past Statements. I raised your Past Statements because your Original Statement here contradicts your Past Statements.

Logic is always consistent...


Too Much Bickering
  

strongaxe states, "I was speaking specifically of Christians in Acts and in the NT period."

1. The Christians in Acts did possess a "Coherent trinitarian theology." have you not read Acts 1:4-9, 2:16-21, 32-33, and 4:23-31?

2. Sir, again, Polycarp, Justin Martyr, Ignatius, Irenaeus, Turtullian etc. witness against you inyou stating that they didn't have a "Coherent Trinitarian Theology."


Too Much Bickering
  
"O Lord God Almighty, the Father of your beloved and blessed Son Jesus Christ, by whom we have received the knowledge of You, the God of angels and powers, and of every creature, and of the whole race of the righteous who live before you, I give You thanks that You have counted me, worthy of this day and this hour, that I should have a part in the number of Your martyrs, in the cup of your Christ, to the resurrection of eternal life, both of soul and body, through the incorruption [imparted] by the Holy Ghost.


More Finish It Here June 2017
  
strongaxe:

"How God communicates With Us." Blog.

"Is Sola Scriptura A Theory." Blog

These 2 blogs provide my position as well as the "Def." of Sola Scriptura.

What i'm finding is many blogs have knowledge of one position so no need to keep repeating because if one is paying attention they would know the positions, and beliefs of others.

Strongaxe, this is ironic because I know your position from these blogs and others but you don't no mine? :-)

Just want you know I appreciate your contribution to debate/dialog and hold nothing Personal against you just know andremember.


Too Much Bickering
  

strongaxe ask, "How is what I am saying now contradicting any of those?"

Simple, here you state that the Early Christians didn't have "Scripture."

The statements on other blog you stated that they only had the OT Scriptures.

Sir, tell the readers which is it did they have them or did they not have them?

Remember sir, logic is "Consistent."


Too Much Bickering
  

strongaxe:

See below statements that you now are contradicting:

"No. Paul didn't establish scripture - it was already established long before he wrote that word - and, at the time he wrote it, scripture consisted ONLY of the Old Testament, as the New Testament hadn't even been written yet."
9/22/16

"Yes. And at the time he was writing those words, scripture was the Old Testament only, because the New Testament did not yet exist."
9/22/16

"Timothy relied on Paul's letters, which were not yet scripture."
9/23/16

See, "How Does God Communicate Blog." for context "


Doctrine Of Immaculate Conception
  

Cluny,

First, lets dialog like men and not be condescending ok?

Now tell me, as an Eastern Orthodox what is your clear def of this RCC Dogma?

Were you RCC before converting to EOC?


Too Much Bickering
  

NurseRobert:

"beseech: ask (someone) urgently and fervently to do something, implore, entreat."

Sir, beseech carries the same "Authority." as God pleading with Israel to repent "If You." in the OT?

"Obey is different that following."

Not according to Paul and Jude inspired by the Holy Spirit who wrote Romans and Jude. Following is obeying and Paul and Jude were well aware of these words meaning commandments to obey...

If it is wrong to obey Rom 16:17 then the Lord Jesus and all his apostles had issues of those who disagreed withthem right??

My question to you again how are you obeying Rom 16:17 and Jude 1:3??


Too Much Bickering
  

strongaxe:

"The early Christians didn't have Christian scripture, because that didn't exist yet -"

Sir, respectfully, on a prior posting you stated that Early Christians only had the OT Scriptures now your telling us they had none at all? Sir, your contradicting yourself??

"They didn't have a complex coherent trinitarian theology."

Sir, this is Patently False Polycarp, Justin Martyr, Ignatius, Irenaeus, Turtullian etc. witness against you...

Strongaxe, logic deals with facts and evidence not mere assertions


More Finish It Here June 2017
  

strongaxe:

""All scripture is profitable" does not imply "All non-scripture is non-profitable"."

Sir, this goes back to do you understand the def of, "Sola Scriptura."

I asked you to provide the def prior and you couldn't.

Its illogical to continue attacking a position when one cant define it.


More Finish It Here June 2017
  

Kathr:

"John when WE speak the Word of God it is accompanied by the Holy Spirit with POWER."

Ma'am, the "Scriptures." come from the Holy Spirit that is why the "Scriptures." are, "Powerful."

"Memorization of scripture has no power John. It's the "Holy Spirit" that brings scripture to our mind WHEN WE NEED IT,"

Tell us, do you believe the "Scriptures." are, "Theopneustos." meaning the Direct Words of God?"


More Finish It Here June 2017
  

Strongaxe:

If all of "Scripture.", is not, "Theopneustos." then what is?


Too Much Bickering
  

Chria9396 states, "I agree that love is the picture of the gospel, and not the fear of what is false."

But love without a foundation isn't love, but Make-Believe.

Its like a woman saying she is married to her husband but she doesn't know his name, his origin, background or language. In like manner how can anyone really say they worship, follow, and obey the Lord Jesus of "Scripture." when they deny he was fully God and fully man, that he is the Second Person of the Trinity who existed Eternally, and deny that God The son came in Human Flesh??


Too Much Bickering
  

NurseRobert states, "First off, this is not a commandment.."

Explain to us, where is this not a "Commandment.", ""17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned, and avoid them." Rom 16:17

If it is wrong to obey Rom 16:17 then the Lord Jesus and all his apostles had issues of those who disagreed withthem right??

My question to you again how are you obeying Rom 16:17??

Also, how are you obeying Jude 1:3??


More Finish It Here June 2017
  

Kathr:

" Augustine was around 400 ad. C and V was around 1200ad."

But he had memorization of, "Scripture."

"I believe quoting the Word of God is accompanied by the Holy Spirit with POWER."

Kathr, the Holy Spirit, "Inspired." "Scripture." in other words the Holy Spirit working through the "Scriptures." is the power... Heb 4:12 Jn 17:17.

Kathr, you asked me had anyone ever been saved by reading, "Scripture." and I gave you 4-Noted Christians who were...


More Finish It Here June 2017
  

It is astonishing how those who say they are Christians and then turn around and deny "Sola Scriptura." What they fail to recognize is without, "Sola Scriptura." there is and would never be "Christianity."

2 Tim 3:

15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.


Doctrine Of Immaculate Conception
  

cluny:

"Where did you get the idea that I was defending it?"

Because how many times you ask this question and when those state their disapproval and why you will attack there position sounds like a defense.

"Do you what the doctrine actually says?"

I do and I have answered your question prior now tell me why are you an "Eastern Orthodox." so concern with this RCC Dogma that its development Eastern Orthodox find "Heretical."


Doctrine Of Immaculate Conception
  

"The Orthodox Church calls Mary all-holy, immaculate, free from actual sin. The Orthodox Church has never made any formal and definitive pronouncement on the matter of the Immaculate Conception. In the past, individual Orthodox theologians have made statements that, if not definitively affirming the Doctrine of Immaculate Conception, at any rate closely approach it. But since 1854, the great majority of Orthodox reject it as necessary, as implying a false understanding of original sin,"

The Orthodox Church, Timothy Ware Pg 259-260


Too Much Bickering
  

NurseRobert said, "Hence the "arguing and bickering". John you just proved why this occurs."

Sir, hear what the Holy Spirit inspired Paul to write:

"17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned, and avoid them." Rom 16:17

question are you obeying this commandment?? Are you better than Paul?

Haz also stated, "Check scripture and see disagreements and conflicts arose in New Testament times also. We even see people being put out of the church for their deceitful doctrine."



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