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Favorite Translation Of Bible
  
john9346:

You wrote: Therefore because God is a person he is personal which means he is able to communicate with us how he chooses...

Yes, that is true. However, that says nothing about how WE are supposed to "rightly divide the word of truth". It says WE have to do it. It does not say GOD has to do it or us. What means do WE use to divide it?


Bound By Ten Commandments
  
barb:

You wrote: Josef, the words you quoted were written by Paul and do not reflect the Word of God.

Does this mean that you believe that the writings of Paul are not the Word of God, so should therefore be excluded from the Bible? Which books of the Bible do you actually believe should be included in it?


Do Ghosts Exist
  
Jerry6593:

You wrote: So who ya gonna believe Axey, God or Satan?

That is a false dilemma. It would be apt if Satan said "Ghosts exist" and God said "Ghosts do not exist", but nowhere does the Bible say either of them said either of those things, so it's not relevant here.


Favorite Translation Of Bible
  
john9346:

You wrote: I pointed to God because God exist and therefore truth is knowable

The fact that God exists may mean truth is knowable by God, but does not at all imply that it is knowable by US.

Again, I ask HOW you "rightly divide the word of truth", and if two people divide it differently, how can you tell which one of them is dividing it "rightly"?


Do Ghosts Exist
  
After his resurrection, Jesus told his disciples that had flesh and bone, not like a ghost/spirit. The very fact that he had to say this at all meant that they must have believed he WAS a ghost (and that, because there must have already been a cultural belief that such things exist). Also, Jesus COULD have said "I'm not a ghost, because there is no such a thing as a ghost", but he didn't do that, and instead said "I have flesh and bones, unlike a ghost".


Give Up 501(c) 3 Status
  
Steveng:

You wrote: God's word is NOT fluid.

No, but God's Word was written in Hebrew and Greek, while WE read it in English translations, and the meanings of English words ARE fluid.

English "church" is used to translate Greek "ekklesia" to mean both the Body of Christ, and also specific congregations. However English "church" can also mean "denomination" or "building", and when people use it in those contexts, they aren't quoting the Word of God, so fluidity of the Word of God is not even an issue in such contexts.


Favorite Translation Of Bible
  
Cluny:

You wrote: My answer to michael e did NOT get posted on this thread. Instead, spurioius thread started under my name got started.

Perhaps you accidentally clicked the "Post a New Blog" button instead of "Reply to this Blog" button? I've done that a few times, but I noticed that the data entry form looked unfamiliar (as I have never started a new blog here), so I backed out of it.


Stop Smoking Cigs
  
Nicole_Lacey:

I was referring to Jerry's pernicious habit of name-calling (i.e. calling Democrats "demoncrats", and me "Weak Hatchet"). I had never heard of Tucker Carlson, which is why I never watched him. I rarely watch TV evangelists because it seems to me that most of them to be vapid and self-serving (although there are exceptions), so I rarely go out of my way to watch new ones I hadn't seen before.

Strom Thurmond didn't become a Republican because he repented, but because racists were predominantly Dixiecrats before the 1960s, and switched to Republicans afterwards.


Faith For Food
  
Nicole_Lacey:

You quoted Rev. 22:10-12: "Look, I am coming soon!..."

All the translations I am familiar with say, "Behold, I come quickly!..."

Jesus said his coming would be like a lightning flash visible from one side of the sky to another. This is very quick (a fraction of a second), but not soon, as it's 2000+ years later.


Do Ghosts Exist
  
Many people use the words "spirit" and "ghost" interchangeably. For example, "The Holy Spirit" is often called "The Holy Ghost". Dying is called "giving up the ghost".


Why Easter And Christmas
  
Nicole_Lacey:

Religions have been co-opting each other's holidays and places of worship since the dawn of man. It works both ways. The Christian church has been building churches over the ruins of pagan temples and shrines. Islam does the same thing - it turned the Hagia Sofia into a mosque.

Pagans had Samhain. Christians turned it into All Hallow's Eve. Secularists turned it into Halloween.
Pagans had Saturnalia. Christians turned it into Christmas. Secularists turned it into a frenzied spend-fest.
Pagans had spring fertility rites. Christians turned it into Easter. Secularists turned it back into a bunny and egg and chocolate fest.


Give Up 501(c) 3 Status
  
Steveng:

Dictionaries defines the "true" meaning of a word. Languages are fluid, and evolve over time. Word meanings change. People who speak a language are expected to understand different meanings of words. "Minister" meant "servant" 400 years ago but not today. "Divers" meant "many" and not "scuba". Today, "church" can mean a body of believers, or a denomination, or a congregation, or a building. All are valid meanings, and the specific meaning depends on the context.

YOU can say one meaning is more legitimate than others, or that some other word should be used, but "A rose by any other name would smell as sweet".


Favorite Translation Of Bible
  
john9346:

I asked michael_e: Can you show an unambiguous biblically-defined method for just HOW one "rightly divides" the word, that everyone can agree upon?

You wrote: The answer is simple God...

God is not a method. God is a person. Please explain HOW God rightly divides the word of truth. If a passage of scripture can have multiple meanings, how do YOU use God to determine which one is correct?


Favorite Translation Of Bible
  
michael_e:

Unfortunately, there are many different groups of people who have different ideas of what different bible passages mean, which means they must necessarily have different ideas about HOW they interpret the Bible. Can you show an unambiguous biblically-defined method for just HOW one "rightly divides" the word, that everyone can agree upon?


Favorite Translation Of Bible
  
michael_e:

400 years is only 1/5 of NT history, and a much smaller part of OT history. Also, the KJV has been revised several times. The original even contained the Apocrapha (which most Protestants currently disavow).

One reason changes are made is because the English language is constantly evolving, and phrases that mean one thing today may mean something else 50 years from now. Translation renders the original languages in the idioms of the day, and as idioms change, the translations must also change, if they are to be understood by people of the day.

The assumption that English-speaking Christians are the most spiritual is a common conceit held by English speakers.


Ten Commandments Historical
  
Samuelbb7:

You wrote: So what is the big difference? I know does anyone else know this doctrine?

The difference is that in judgement, as it is universally understood, the one who is judged stands before the one who is doing the judging, evidence is weighed, and a sentence is proclaimed. It's all done face to face, and in real time. There is no matter of some unseen judge, sitting around in some hidden place, mulling over evidence for hundreds of years, while the one being judged sits around, gets old, and dies, without the judgment ever actually being rendered. The ONLY people who believe in the latter model are the SDA.


Ten Commandments Historical
  
Jerry6593:

Loving your neighbor does NOT nullify 10C, just makes them unnecessary. E.g. if you believe stealing is wrong, don't need explicit rules to not steal money, not steal cars, not steal food, etc.

Claiming to love someone by killing them is no more legitimate than medieval inquisitors believing that torturing sinners to death to encourage repentance was God's will.

You are so RIGHT ON!

WHICH sins would those be, that 10C prohibits, but "Love your neighbor" permits?

Investigative Judgment (that only SDAs believe) is retconning why Jesus did not return in 1844. He has had 2000 years to judge. Why would he wait 1800 years and then "return" from one part of heaven to another?


Set Free From Demons
  
Cluny:

If you prefix the original question with "I want to know", you get a valid sentence.

When complaining about someone spelling or grammar, one should be sure one's own spelling and grammar are correct (i.e. What does "What you up up" mean?). Saying incorrect spelling or grammar makes one look childish means your own incorrect spelling or grammar would therefore make YOU look childish. Don't dish out reproof unless you're willing to be subject to similar reproof in similar circumstances.

Generally, complaints about spelling or grammar are petty and irrelevant, unless spelling or grammar are actually being discussed, or if a post cannot be understood without addressing its spelling or grammar.


How Did Life Begin
  
David:

Some things about DNA suggest random mutation rather than deliberate design, e.g. two fused human chromosomes, and why humans and other species contain inactive DNA fragments from extinct viruses. It would be like a Ferrari containing Model T parts inside that weren't connected to anything.


Jerry6593:

I admit that I don't know things that the Bible doesn't explicitly state, rather than presumptuously claiming that I can read what God didn't see fit to write between the lines.

Agnostic?! If you want to fling mud, why should Christians listen to (let alone vote for) a president who is an unrepentant adulterer and demonstrable liar, whose favorite "Christian" verse is "an eye for an eye"?


Ten Commandments Historical
  
Samuelbb7:

I heve never maintained that because we are no longer under the Law, we are free to lie, cheat, steal and murder "because I don't want to live like Jesus" - . Anyone who follows his Two Commandments ALREADY refrains from these things WITHOUT needing to be told each one specifically.

When we are children, we are given rules like "don't play in the street" and "don't put a fork in the toaster". As adults, we no longer NEED those rules because we ALREADY know not to do those things, and why.

(Steveng: How is fornication "unnatural"? Since animals don't marry, 99.9999% species on the planet reproduce only that way).



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