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Can God Be Sovereign
  
"But not according to John The Apostle"---john9346
Where has John, in any of his letters, taught against choice?


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"Not sure if you are aware words without context mean absolutely nothing. John that statement makes absolutely no sense to me.
So, when we read Jn 1:1-12 with the meaning of Lambono this is the meaning, "to take to one's self, lay hold upon, take possession of, i.e. to appropriate to one's self, to take what is one's own, to take to one's self, to make one's own. John any way you define it, it represents a choice.


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This line should read "The word received, as used in Jhn 1:12, is translated from the Greek word lambano," Please feel free to look it John.
" Romans 3:3 is discussing Jews and Gentiles being obedient to the Mosaic Law.." Rom 3:3 Is clear as stated, it needs no interpretation. John what you've written is simply an unwarranted attempt to explain away it's clear meaning. And this coming from one who claims to "allow the authors of "Holy Scripture." to tell me what they meant by what they wrote I don't tell them what I want them to have written.":o)


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John, it was in the tax collectors will to pray, no one force him.
The word received is translated from the Greek word lambano, a verb that means, according to the Strong's, "take, claim, procure for one's self, to associate, to choose, select, ect. No where within the definition is the word 'understand/comprehend' where did that come from.
"26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you."
Yes, and that explains why He was rejected by them, and it was their choice to do so, influence by their father, the Devil. Jesus died for whosoever would receive Him. Whosoever 'believes', adheres to , relies on, and trust, in Him, will not perish nor be plucked out of His Hands.


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Correction: "Concerning John 9:31 although I'm sure that the blind man who was healed believed what he had no doubt been taught by the Pharisees."


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Concerning John 9:31 although I'm sure that the lame man who was healed believed what he had no doubt been taught by the Pharisees. If God did not hear sinners, none of us would be saved. For we were all sinners when we received Christ. For it is written "to as many as received Him, indicating choice, to them he gave the power to become Sons of God. To those who believed on His name". Although the Father had given them to believe and drawn them, it was and act of their will to receive Him, to confess their sin, and acknowledge Him as Lord, and that will was influenced of Him, "for no man calls Jesus lord except by the Holy Spirit"


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John the tax collector was a sinner when he prayed, and the "context" doesn't suggest other wise. He went home justified after he prayed.
"Sir, here is the full context of what I said listen very closely:"
Your attempt to be condescending aside, how does any of what you have written here, change what was written earlier? As far as I can see, what you've said is clear, and what I've said in response should be equally clear.


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John who do you think this message is for? "The Spirit and the bride say, Come! And let him who hears say, Come! And let him who thirsts come. Whoever desires, let him take the water of life freely." Jesus said If He be lifted up from the earth, and He was, He would draw all men to Himself. Those who will not come has obviously made the choice not to, because all men are invited, and according to Jesus, all men are drawn. To come, or refuse represents a choice and the choice is representative of the influence one yields themselves to, and the will of the influencer is manifest. As I stated in my first post to this blog a man's choices "will reflect the Fathers will for him". For the Father is sovereign.


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John you yourself wrote that the parable "was an example of spiritual liberties" and that the Pharisee represented sinners."In lk 18:9-14, where is the Holy Spirit having Luke to defend, "It is man's choice, and within his power of will to pray."?" Why would Luke or any other writer have to defend the obvious? According to Jesus even the hypocrites prays, do you think prayer is spiritual or natural?


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"In this context the matter free will isn't Luke's Point or purpose for writing he starts by stating that in vs 9..." Whether that was the point or not, what happens in the parable concerning the prayers, happens. It is man's choice, and within his power of will to pray. And I never said that will was free.


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John it was you who wrote on 5/10 "sinners are dead and dead people cant make choices" and it was written in response to something I that I had written. My posts from then forward were simply to address that error, to answer your questions to me, or to respond to your statements. They were not to argue for or against "free will", I made my position concerning that clear with my first post.


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"Because parables are, "Descriptive." and not "Prescriptive."" Again, what does that have to do with the truth that is being conveyed?
"Again, please be more specific according to the context i did provide a response read prior." Never mind John:oD)))


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John the question you quoted has nothing to do with the question I asked earlier. That question stands as written, "Whose will do you think was on display in this illustration?" Or parable if you prefer. Again, what about the question is unclear? "Please remember this is a parable" John what does this being a parable have to do with the truth being conveyed? You say "The Tax Collector is a saint chosen by grace." I say nothing in the parable suggest that he was anything but what he said himself to be when he prayed. It is simply written that he went home justified. Why? Because he understood himself a sinner and humbled himself as such before the Father.


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"This was an example of "Spiritual-free Will Liberty." John then you do believe a sinner, and the tax collector acknowledged himself a sinner, can by choice, or of his own will, pray a spiritual prayer, by his own "Spiritual-free will Liberty":o) Or have I misunderstood your response.


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"Whose will do you think was on display in this illustration John?" What exactly is unclear about this question John? You've read my response, what yours? Do you really think "God" influenced the self centered, self righteous, arrogant prayer of the PharIsee. A prayer He was apparently not pleased with?


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Whose will do you think was on display in this illustration John? Was it spiritual or natural? Who do think that will was influenced by? "Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank You that I am not like other men...I fast twice a week, I give tithes of all that I possess. And the tax collector, standing afar off, would not so much as raise his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, God, be merciful to me a sinner! The tax collector acknowledged himself a sinner, and the Pharisee thought himself a saint. My thoughts, man's will to pray was on display, and the motivating influence of that will and prayer, to me, is obvious.


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"So, sir, are you saying you would talk to a dead man? If I brought a dead man and sat him in front of you, would you ask him if he wants pizza or Chinese Food for dinner?"---john9346 on 5/11/17"
Obviously since I can't bring him to life, my asking him anything would be pointless. However The Father can, and that was my point on 5/11.
"To answer your question yes because the "Confession of Faith." recognizes and expounds on the distinction between "Natural Liberties." and "Spiritual Liberties." John the statement referenced in my post addresses"Natural Liberties", and so does my question.


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John all men were once dead in sins, for all have sinned. Yet,while we were dead in sins, Father quickened us together with Christ. Who bore our sin, so that we, the believer, now being dead to sin, should live into righteousness. To answer your question, If it was within my power to give that dead man life, yes. If he indicated that he was hungry, why not:o) John you posted "God hath endued the will of man with that natural liberty and power of acting upon choice, that it is neither forced, nor by any necessity of nature determined to do good or evil." Do you believe that or not?


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"sinners are dead and dead people cant make choices..." John

It is written "I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both you and your seed may live: And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom you will serve, But one thing is needful: and Mary has chosen that good part, which shall not be taken away from her."


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"Does God really work all things after the counsel of His own will?" Yes. However that does not negate the will of man, although that will can not be considered free. Man will either subject his will to the Father or Satan. For "Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that ones slaves whom you obey." If you choose to yield to Satan, he becomes your foundation, and as Jesus said, in that case, "You are of your father the devil, and the lust of your father you will do." The same applies to the Father. A mans will is reflected by his choices, and his choices will reflects the Fathers will for him, for He gives to everyone according to his ways, and the fruit of his doings.



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