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Hypostatic Union
  
Mark_Eaton,
When I say Jesus is not 100% God, nor 100% human, I'm approaching it from tbe idea of this so-called "blending" of two so-called natures, without static.

That's like saying a Korean man and Emglish woman will have a child who is 100% Korean and 100% English

The problem comes from not distinguishing between Jesus' Spirit and His body.

And this problem stems from the fact that scripture has been abandoned in favor of philosophy


Hypostatic Union
  
Nicole,
Mary is not the mother of the Word of God, she is the mother of his physical body


Hypostatic Union
  
John9346,
If you're going to ask questions, can you ask something I haven't answered already?


Hypostatic Union
  
I wrote a reply to Micha9344, but it's not here....


Hypostatic Union
  
John9346,
You seem to be reading into my posts what I haven't said.

I mentioned John 1:1 already. The Word of God - who is that? Revelation 19:13 might help you.

John 1:14 "became flesh" does not mean "became" human in any sense other than what John wrote next. He "dwelt among us" is literally "tented among us". As Romans 8:3 says, He was made in the likeness of sinful flesh

In other words, the very Word of God, by which the world was created, is inside that once-frail body of flesh


Hypostatic Union
  
John9346,
uh....yeah, I've read all those. You even quoted my reference to John 1:14 in the same post where you asked if I read it...lol

None of those say anything about Jesus having a human spirit or divine body. And none of them present a 200% double guy.

His inner being is the Word of God, and his "tent" is human flesh and blood


Stop Smoking Cigs
  
//...Being educated does not require a degree, but it DOES require a capacity for critical thinking....//
---StrongAxe on 4/30/17
No it doesn't. Some of the most "educated" people I know have virtually zero capacity for thinking beyond their sheep-like indoctrination


Hypostatic Union
  
Hypostatic Union does not do justice to the scriptures, nor Christ

Jesus is not 100% God, nor is He 100% man.

God is spirit, not flesh. Jesus said as much. Jesus absolutely does not have a human spirit. He is the very Word of God (John 1:1, 14)

His body alone is human - not divine. He was made like us (Heb 4:14-17)


Hypostatic Union
  
The biggest problem is with the mystical jargon.

Two natures - human and divine ?? What is a "nature" and how does someone classify it or them as human and/or divine?

People also use phrases lime "sin nature" and "righteous nature"

So...what is a nature?


What Is Tithing
  
"Ah, but who to study under, or who to ask? A lot of the "authorities" have no one over them to correct, reprove, etc. If there is nobody over them, how will they follow the "party" line, so to speak?

There is a chain of authority in the RCC that tells Nicole what to study and whom to ask."

---Monk_Brendan

Well, either nobody told her or she didn't listen.

It's already there in the scriptures. If the layman wasn't treated like a moron in the RCC, maybe more would feel comfortable reading for themselves


Is Saving Faith A Work
  
"It must be an awful thing to wonder If you are one of the elect.....
I can't understand what a Calvinists faith is in if they have to WONDER if they are the elect.....
hoping their works is proof? But again back to works....if some get burned up, how can anyone be sure their works are acceptable to God?"
---kathr4453

That's the whole point I've been making.

As soon as you adopt the notion that "saved folks have saved ways" you MUST open yourself to introspection.

What you've espoused is exactly what you're now speaking against

And if your doctrine doesn't make you doubt your salvation, then you don't really believe it


Is Saving Faith A Work
  
"JamesL, There is problem with your statement that works are from Calvinism...."
---Samuelbb7 on 5/10/16


If only I had made a statement like that.

What I have stated, and clarified, is this - pretending that good works inevitably result from faith in Christ is a Calvinist notion.

Every command in scripture is given with the acknowledgement that the commands just might not be obeyed.

How many times do we see:
If you....
But if you don't....

And if you think good works are inevitable for a believer, just how is there room for a believer to be damned for not obeying?

That's entirely inconsistent.


Is Saving Faith A Work
  
Kathr,
I really don't think you've understood my objection at all.

You keep tossing personal insults as if they're useful. Well, if your doctrine is true, then maybe that's the fruit you want to be judged by?

I haven't objected to works, I've objected to the Calvinist notion that good works are inevitable.

You seem to think that a man can hope in Christ, but that a lack of works disqualifies his faith.

If so, then how does his faith become genuine? With a different set of facts? By learning about works?

Or maybe the more he insults people the closer his faith gets to being "real" ??


Is Saving Faith A Work
  
Kathr,
I hope you don't feel offended, but I really don't have the stamina anymore to trudge through your arduous posts.

We agree on quite a bit, but your Calvinist "P" simply doesn't stand up to scripture.

If it did, you'd simply quote 2 or 3 scriptures that plainly teach it, rather than 4 paragraphs of incessant ranting.


What Is Grace
  
"Don't you need to do something to receive the free gift of the Holy Spirit, according to (Acts 2:38)?"
---David on 5/8/16

Only if you're an Old Testament believer, living in Jerusalem temporarily, complicit in the death of Christ, and hanging around when a bunch of believers just had the Holy Spirit poured out on them

Nowadays, you would receive the Holy Spirit when you believed the gospel


Is Saving Faith A Work
  
"The Bible does teach that Faith works and works until the end....

Revelation 2:26
And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
Revelation 3:5..."
---Samuelbb7 on 5/8/16

I never said anything to the contrary.

What I've disputed is the false notion that good works, endurance, etc are INEVITABLE.

Scripture calls believers to walk, follow, deny self, endure, and all manner of imperatives.

If good works are inevitable for a believer, why do you preach to believers that they should do them? Seems awful silly, no?


Is Saving Faith A Work
  
Kathr,
that is a Calvinist teaching, it's the "P" in TULIP - Perseverance of the Saints

It's a works doctrine that tries to classify faith into categories like genuine, real, spurious, false, etc.

Faith is not "real" faith unless it has works...to the end. Not only is that NOT taught in scripture, it undermines the security of the believer because the end supposedly validates the beginning.

But here you are in the middle, like Peter. "I won't deny you, Lord." But Satan might have asked to sift you.

You were called to follow. You have a part that's not automatic.


Is Saving Faith A Work
  
"If we look at the parable of the 4 soils, we see only the last are truly saved"
---kathr4453

That's an unfounded presumption.

The text never states that only the last are anything other than fruitful.

And "truly saved" is a redundant misnomer. Either you're saved or you're not. There's no "almost" saved or "false" believer or "true" believer.

Good works are not inevitable for a believer, and you cannot hold that Calvinist tenet without first rejecting scripture


Is Saving Faith A Work
  
Samuel,
If you believe true Christians cannot help it, that there's an inevitability of good works, do you then subscribe to the eternal security of the saints? That a true Christian cannot fail in finality and cannot be lost?



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